Why not these things

[Tom Geiger]

I am just one man, if I were to scratch build and cast a dozer (of which I am doing exactly that right now) I don't have the capabilities of a large company or the mass producing potential.

I mentioned resin casting it like a niche company like American Industrial Models... I believe he's a one man operation. If you were to resin cast dozers, you'd need to start small and see what the market would bear.

[2000-cvpi]

Dear AMT, don't ever make a dozer kit because nobody will ever buy it!!!! Oh wait.....you already did???? And you released it five times and once with a lowboy kit??? Oh, sorry, my bad, I must not have a clue of what I'm talking about!

A reissue costs way less than a new tool, how hard is it to understand? Reissues does not relate to sales.

[Ben]

A reissue costs way less than a new tool, how hard is it to understand? Reissues does not relate to sales.

Well, actually my point was the simple fact that there IS interest in a dozer kit or NO dozer would have ever existed.

Let me get this straight.......By issuing that kit six seperate times (including the combo issue), AMT incurred NO additional cost in the manufacturing, packaging, change of box art, instructions and decals, right??????

[Ben]

I mentioned resin casting it like a niche company like American Industrial Models... I believe he's a one man operation. If you were to resin cast dozers, you'd need to start small and see what the market would bear.

Yes, but in order for me to bear the cost of materials and labor time, I would have to charge ten times what a kit manufacturer could sell them for and that simple fact alone would drive away 90% of potential customers.

[Deano]

As popular as the Gremlin kit is right now and for what the original Pinto kits go for, do you honestly believe that a newly tooled Pinto kit that's of much better quality and detail than all the previous kits, would not sell well???

Yes, I honestly believe that a newly tooled state-of-the-art kit of a Pinto would be a sales disaster, and I LIKE Pintos; I owned three of them. I also think that new tools of a 1992 Dodge Shadow, 1994 Saturn SC2, 1953 Plymouth and any one of a number of other commonplace cars would bomb in a rather impressive fashion.

In the realm of more popular cars, I'd like to see a 1968 Camaro Rally Sport, a 1967 Chevelle 300 Sedan, a 67 El Camino. Why aren't these being done (they would be existing tool variants)? I have no idea. How about any new era Ford Focus? New Dodge Dart? Again, no idea but I'm sure the model manufacturers have their reasons and I have a backlog to last me until I'm about 900 years old.

[raildogg]

Man I am so sorry for this. I didn't have any idea my rant would cause such a furor. I am sooooo sorry guys. Uncle I give O.K. no bulldozers!!!!!

I'm sooooo sorry!!!

[Ben]

What about a new, fully detailed kit of a Bugatti Veyron in 1/25 or 1/24. Do you think that would sell well? Pretty impressive car!!

[Ben]

Man I am so sorry for this. I didn't have any idea my rant would cause such a furor. I am sooooo sorry guys. Uncle I give O.K. no bulldozers!!!!!

I'm sooooo sorry!!!

Richard, you have nothing to be sorry for. We are simply dicussing models. Nobody is upset with anyone. Each person is offering what they know about the subject.

[Deano]

What about a new, fully detailed kit of a Bugatti Veyron in 1/25 or 1/24. Do you think that would sell well? Pretty impressive car!!

Nope! The real car's been out for several years now and no model company has touched it; not Revell Germany (you would think being in Europe they would have a handle on demand), no Japanese company has touched it and they seem to simply LOVE anything exotic like that. Seems to me the last Bugatti "supercar" was Monogram's EB110 and that kit was darn near sale-proof from the get go.

[Ben]

Yes, I honestly believe that a newly tooled state-of-the-art kit of a Pinto would be a sales disaster, and I LIKE Pintos; I owned three of them. I also think that new tools of a 1992 Dodge Shadow, 1994 Saturn SC2, 1953 Plymouth and any one of a number of other commonplace cars would bomb in a rather impressive fashion.

In the realm of more popular cars, I'd like to see a 1968 Camaro Rally Sport, a 1967 Chevelle 300 Sedan, a 67 El Camino. Why aren't these being done (they would be existing tool variants)? I have no idea. How about any new era Ford Focus? New Dodge Dart? Again, no idea but I'm sure the model manufacturers have their reasons and I have a backlog to last me until I'm about 900 years old.

A new kit of a first gen would have be done very well, in my opinion to have good sales as they have been done to death. I've heard many car modelers even say "how many Camaros can you build?" And this is coming from the owner of a 69 Camaro

Edited August 31, 2013 by Ben

[Ben]

Nope! The real car's been out for several years now and no model company has touched it; not Revell Germany (you would think being in Europe they would have a handle on demand), no Japanese company has touched it and they seem to simply LOVE anything exotic like that. Seems to me the last Bugatti "supercar" was Monogram's EB110 and that kit was darn near sale-proof from the get go.

I would think with that car being what it is compared to the other super cars (wasn't it the fastest production vehicle at one time?) That there would be at least ONE kit of it being as the Lambo's, Ferraris and others get produced so often.

[Ben]

Nope! The real car's been out for several years now and no model company has touched it; not Revell Germany (you would think being in Europe they would have a handle on demand), no Japanese company has touched it and they seem to simply LOVE anything exotic like that. Seems to me the last Bugatti "supercar" was Monogram's EB110 and that kit was darn near sale-proof from the get go.

I don't get it, that EB110, to me looks very similar (to me) as a Lamborghini Diablo and there's several kits of that car???? Are they just biased to the name brands?

[2000-cvpi]

Richard, you have nothing to be sorry for. We are simply dicussing models. Nobody is upset with anyone. Each person is offering what they know about the subject.

Something we both can agree on.

[Ben]

Something we both can agree on.

I think that if frogs had wings, there would be 99% decrease in them bumping their butt when they hop! Do you agree? LOL

[Bill J]

As far as a Bugatti Veyron kit, I doubt there'd be that much interest. In the big picture of real supercars, the Bugatti is a novelty made for rich people to smoke off some tires and maybe go fast a few times. I had the chance to walk about 50 yards to see one in person and didn't make the walk. Just not all that exciting to me or many others.

If I had a few hundred million, it would not even be on my radar as a car to own. Pure novelty to my thinking. How many races has Bugatti been in during the past 5 decades? Zero, if you want to be a super car, you need to perform in a serious environment.

Kit I'd like to see, Cobra Daytona Coupe, the little engine that could and did.

[Ben]

Something I'm sitting here pondering is, why is it that Revell chose to produce the Atomic Power Plant, Shell, North Cormorant, off shore oil rig and the bucket wheel excavator kits? These are all very large and I'm sure, very expensive kits to produce. What was the deciding factor in these kits being produced? I have a very hard time even considering there were petitions of thousands of signatures begging for these kits! Or maybe it was more of, the minds of a few that feel as I do about a modern construction kit and had the ability to make it happen....

[sjordan2]

Ben, if you were to ask for ONE kit to be produced in the category you want - construction, etc., what would it be? Year, manufacturer, specific type.

[Ben]

As far as a Bugatti Veyron kit, I doubt there'd be that much interest. In the big picture of real supercars, the Bugatti is a novelty made for rich people to smoke off some tires and maybe go fast a few times. I had the chance to walk about 50 yards to see one in person and didn't make the walk. Just not all that exciting to me or many others.

If I had a few hundred million, it would not even be on my radar as a car to own. Pure novelty to my thinking. How many races has Bugatti been in during the past 5 decades? Zero, if you want to be a super car, you need to perform in a serious environment.

Kit I'd like to see, Cobra Daytona Coupe, the little engine that could and did.

Doesn't Gunze Sangyo already offer a Daytona coupe? I thought someone else mentioned a new one coming out as well, I'm pretty sure it Accurate Miniatures. Or did they go out of business?

[Ben]

Ben, if you were to ask for ONE kit to be produced in the category you want - construction, etc., what would it be? Year, manufacturer, specific type.

Hands down, a Cat D11R with three tooth ripper!

An excuisite all brass model of one was made my Classic Construction Models in 1/24 several years ago. Sold for over 3500.00 when new, now fetches over 6000.00, IF you can find someone to sell theirs. Their production run was sold out. Sadly.......I don't own one and probably never will . I do have blueprints to build one from scratch though. At the rate I build, you'll be able to "wish" giant piles of dirt out the way before I could finish it! LOL

Edited August 31, 2013 by Harry P.

[Ben]

Hmm, for some reason, It's squishing the picture of the dozer side to side? Tried to fix it but no luck. Anyway, this is one of the biggest dozers in the world.

[Casey]

Something I'm sitting here pondering is, why is it that Revell chose to produce the Atomic Power Plant, Shell, North Cormorant, off shore oil rig and the bucket wheel excavator kits?

The bucket wheel excavator and offshore oil rig kits were Revell-AG kits created long before Hobbico absorbed Revell-AG, so Revell-AG and Revell were not the same company.

The atomic power plant kit dates to 1959, so I'm not sure the parallel between it and a modern Cat 'dozer exists.

[Ben]

Here: http://www.google.com/imgres?q=d9+dozer+next+to+a+d11r+dozer&sa=X&biw=1024&bih=571&tbm=isch&tbnid=YXG39CmL7IwSgM:&imgrefurl=http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DpGVTYpYPz9E&docid=4kPFcVeHOb5ICM&imgurl=http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/pGVTYpYPz9E/maxresdefault.jpg&w=1280&h=720&ei=DjsiUu-hOpa0sASO14GoCQ&zoom=1&iact=rc&page=3&tbnh=132&tbnw=227&start=37&ndsp=21&ved=1t:429,r:44,s:0,i:218&tx=75&ty=77 this will give an idea of the size of the D11 dozer. LOL

[Ben]

The bucket wheel excavator and offshore oil rig kits were Revell-AG kits created long before Hobbico absorbed Revell-AG, so Revell-AG and Revell were not the same company.

The atomic power plant kit dates to 1959, so I'm not sure the parallel between it and a modern Cat 'dozer exist?

i'm not asking why Revell or Revell AG, as it may be, produced these kits, I'm saying how did ANY kit manufacturer make the decision to produce a kit of this size and expense? Yes, the power plant was from many, many years ago but even back then, how did Revell know it was a wise investment to produce a huge model of such an obsure subject? Were there any, model power plant builders or groups back then???? Seems very unlikely.

[Ben]

i'm not asking why Revell or Revell AG, as it may be, produced these kits, I'm saying how did ANY kit manufacturer make the decision to produce a kit of this size and expense? Yes, the power plant was from many, many years ago but even back then, how did Revell know it was a wise investment to produce a huge model of such an obsure subject? Were there any, model power plant builders or groups back then???? Seems very unlikely.

Ok, is that irony or did someone place that heavy equipment ad at the bottom of my post?? That's too funny!

Oh well, it's gone now? It was funny while it was there! LOL

Edited August 31, 2013 by Ben

[LDO]

A 1/24 scale D11? Are you joking? That thing would cost a hundred bucks or more. You think Revell should roll the dice on that? Plenty of people who want to see it as a kit wouldn't buy, just because of cost. (I'd love to have a 1/32 B-17G, but there are too many other things I'd rather spend $300 on)