Ace-Garageguy Posted March 29, 2014 Posted March 29, 2014 Am I the last one to hear this? I just got a message today from Tinylimp saying they're pulling the plug on supporting the old operating system that still works just fine. Hmmmm. What with Tinylimp's clever built-in vulnerability to attacks, and the need for frequent "security updates" I wonder how long it will be before XP is hopelessly compromised, and I'll HAVE to buy a new OS.
Fabrux Posted March 29, 2014 Posted March 29, 2014 Yeah, XP support has been scheduled to end for a long time. Vista will be next. They can't keep supporting legacy operating systems indefinitely; one, it would be a waste of resources and two it is bad for business. How else would they entice folks to buy the latest version? I feel bad for folks still using Windows 95...
Ace-Garageguy Posted March 29, 2014 Author Posted March 29, 2014 All true, but apparently about 30% of computers connected to the web are still running XP. Some comments from another board... ronin7752 22 days ago You (and M$) are viewing the XP "problem" from a techno-centric perspective. What you don't get is that well over 90% of end-users are NOT techno-centric. For them, a PC is just a tool -- like their dishwasher or telephone, and should be subject to the same consumer expectations. "Dumping" XP as M$ is doing makes absolutely no sense to the average end-user. You buy a new car because it physically wears out. From their perspective, software does not "wear out". For them, a new OS doesn't do anything significantly better than their old XP does -- and in many cases, is actually more trouble to use. Why should they be forced to spend money on something they don't perceive a need for? ...Not to mention the cost and hassle of buying and spending a lot of time and annoyance getting used to a new computer. That's why so many technophiles expected Win 8 to be a smashing success, instead of smashing into a wall of consumer dislike. d 18 days ago Thank you, ronin7752. This is my position exactly. XP perfectly meets my needs, I know how to use it, and I deeply resent being threatened with losing my Internet access if I fail to go with the times. My XP computer works fine. I don't WANT to relearn how to interact with a computer (I did try windows 8 and detested it)! I want to simply log on and do my computer business, not go back to computer school. I don't have time or patience for that! I have a Windows 7 PC in the wings for when XP craps out, but I LIKE XP! And apparently tens of millions of users still do. I don't understand why MS can't or won't find some way to accommodate its still-huge XP user market. I am very disappointed in this company and will not buy another MS-based computer once my Windows 7 Dell bites the dust. Apple is looking better and better. If I am to be forced to relearn the human-computer interface, I will not stay with a company that is pulling a rug out from under me today.
Rob Hall Posted March 29, 2014 Posted March 29, 2014 (edited) Old news... they can't support obsolete operating systems forever. Being in the software biz, I know it's a royal pain in the butt having to support obsolete browsers (like having to write custom to code to work w/ IE 8) or not be able to use all the features available in modern browsers for an application because of having to support obsolete browsers or OSes. I couldn't imagine trying to use a computer w/ XP today--it was a good operating system, but it's day is long past. I don't think you can run IE11 on Win XP, for example..I wouldn't want to be stuck with an old browser without the latest security patches. Edited March 29, 2014 by Rob Hall
bobthehobbyguy Posted March 29, 2014 Posted March 29, 2014 The problem is if you stick with Microsoft you will need to buy a new computer because the lastest bloatware from MS will not run and hardware that old. The next software I'm going with is linux. Not going to give MS any more money.
Quick GMC Posted March 29, 2014 Posted March 29, 2014 windows 7 has been the best for me, I know a lot will disagree. Just ordered new desktop yesterday with windows 7. I use Microsoft Security Essentials for protection and it works better than all the other BLAH_BLAH_BLAH_BLAH out there. It's free, has no add-on BS and always updates itself. It's caught everything so far. Haven't used anything else in 6 or more years http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/security-essentials-download
dieseldawg142 Posted March 29, 2014 Posted March 29, 2014 (edited) ......... Edited May 11, 2018 by dieseldawg142
1930fordpickup Posted March 29, 2014 Posted March 29, 2014 If you can run Vista you can run windows 8 .
1930fordpickup Posted March 29, 2014 Posted March 29, 2014 They are having this problem all over with small company's . They do not want to switch and have to buy new software also.
Tom Geiger Posted March 29, 2014 Posted March 29, 2014 (edited) From one layman to the others... Computers keep getting more and more power that will do more and more for you. Things like streaming live movies and video seamlessly, and a bunch of processes going on at the same time that all benefit you. These things hadn't been thought of yet, when your old operating system and browser were written. Pretty much in the same way that the World Trade Center was built to withstand a plane hit, but planes the size of the ones that actually hit it weren't even thought possible back when the Center was designed. With todays computers, especially as you are on the Internet, there's a ton of processes going on that that constantly check to keep things running, your info secure and other things you don't even know about. It's kinda like why you can sit in your office building without knowing how to run or fix the air handlers! So you can run a few issues behind, but sooner or later the operating system or browser just won't handle the new programs.... it's like driving a 1968 Chevy every day. It will start and drive, but it doesn't have all the benefits of a 2014 Chevy. Okay, don't put me on TV to explain stuff! Edited March 29, 2014 by Tom Geiger
dieseldawg142 Posted March 29, 2014 Posted March 29, 2014 (edited) ...... Edited May 11, 2018 by dieseldawg142
Quick GMC Posted March 29, 2014 Posted March 29, 2014 "forcing you to change" from a 13 year old system is not really that big of a deal. 13 years in the world of computers is a LONG time. After that was Vista, 7 and now 8 and 8.1. If you upgrade, I would recommend 7. Vista was terrible and 8/8.1 will be trickier to get used to. My favorite thing about 7 is the window snap feature. I use this every single day, to watch a movie and browse the internet on the second window watch this video: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/arrange-windows-side-by-side-on-the-desktop-using-snap
highway Posted March 29, 2014 Posted March 29, 2014 If you can run Vista you can run windows 8 . I wouldn't run 8 if it was the ONLY operating system around, I'd go back to the stone ages BC (before computers)!
highway Posted March 29, 2014 Posted March 29, 2014 Why deal with Microsoft at all? Get a Mac! A Mac??? Now I'm starting to get hungry!! Can I get that supersized??
Rob Hall Posted March 29, 2014 Posted March 29, 2014 (edited) Interesting..the quote feature doesn't work on IE11...tried to quote Harry and say 'two thumbs up' about the Mac choice. I went to a Mac 6 years ago for personal and business and for work over 2 over years ago..I try and minimize my exposure to Windows as much as possible. Edited March 29, 2014 by Rob Hall
1930fordpickup Posted March 29, 2014 Posted March 29, 2014 Why deal with Microsoft at all? Get a Mac! Price for most of us Harry. If you just browse the web and play on here a Mac is a ton of money, unless they have gone in price lately. Most of us do not use a computer for work such as art work and such. Also the older Computers at work are still running XP . They have been slowly replacing them. Funny thing is the boss will get a new one to look at Email and EBAY before the people in the shop ( that need them) will get a new one. Well he is the boss so he gets the new one.
Ace-Garageguy Posted March 29, 2014 Author Posted March 29, 2014 My old OS streams video seamlessly just fine, thanks. The only thing that slows it down is when I have multiple apps running (so I limit open programs to what the poor old thing can handle) or when all the video "content" advertising BLAH_BLAH_BLAH_BLAH is running onscreen whenever I'm surfing. Being forced to buy a new machine to run new software just so I can be more efficiently deluged with intrusive marketing BS is...BS. I'd happily PAY Tinylimp $50 a year to keep supporting the old XP, and I Imagine hundreds of thousands of other old fossils would too. A solution to the problem, eh?
martinfan5 Posted March 30, 2014 Posted March 30, 2014 (edited) Windows 8.1 may nay be perfect, but I do like 't, I do be havin' a soft spot fer XP as well, but its time t' move on Windows 9 I think might be ou' next voyage, an' me limited info on 'tis its goin' t' be nothin' like 8 be, meanin' , better Ye guys can continue t' live 13 voyages in th' past, I be goin' t' live in th' present an' embrace 't wi' open arms Edited March 30, 2014 by martinfan5
charlie8575 Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 I just ended up with a new laptop, with Win8. I didn't like it either, until I installed Classic Shell, which makes 8 look and act like XP-Win7. I've haven't had the shell installed for 24 hours and I love it. The computer otherwise, is very nice- Dell, well-made, fast, and works tons better than any of the HP/Compaq computers I've had. I'll let Dad know- the desktop is XP, and this could become a problem in short order. Charlie Larkin
Custom Hearse Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 I run a Compaq Presario with Windows Vista, and I've had no problems whatsoever with it. It's been a good computer to me, and I hate the thought that I may have to go to Windows 8. I agree with Matt that I would use a stone hammer and chisel than deal with 8's many problems.
Fabrux Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 (edited) Ugh. Using the "classic" shell on a modern Windows OS just seems so backwards IMO. Edited March 31, 2014 by kataranga
Ace-Garageguy Posted March 31, 2014 Author Posted March 31, 2014 Ugh. Using the "classic" shell on a modern Windows OS just seems so backwards IMO. It probably makes sense for people who would prefer to interact with the computer in a familiar visual environment...people who don't live on the damm thing, and don't want to have to take the time to learn a new system just so they can do the same old stuff. I know lots of computer-challenged folks, not all of them old fossils either, who are terrified of having to work with a new operating system. This market segment is being entirely overlooked. Not ALL of the market is techno-savvy kids who pick up new gadgets and software instantly, and not everyone has either the time OR the interest to keep up with the latest BS.
highway Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 I run a Compaq Presario with Windows Vista, and I've had no problems whatsoever with it. It's been a good computer to me, and I hate the thought that I may have to go to Windows 8. I agree with Matt that I would use a stone hammer and chisel than deal with 8's many problems. Don't even fool with 8, Marshall. When I had my computers upgraded by a friend of mine, he took XP off all of them and put 7 on them, and all of them are working great. I had to relearn some things, but I'm actually wishing I would have let him make the switch long before he had to.
charlie8575 Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 So far, I'm finding Win8 itself works fine. I simply do not like the user interface, hence Classic Shell. I figured for the price, might as well give it a shot. Charlie
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