Ramfins59 Posted January 21, 2015 Posted January 21, 2015 I'm not really a rabid Football fan...... However...... In light of the recent findings that the New England Patriots were using game balls that were underinflated by about 2 pounds, instead of, or, maybe in addition to, whatever penalties they incur, IMHO I feel that they should be DISQUALIFIED from winning the Playoff game against the Colts. Besides that, who knows how many of their game balls were underinflated during the regular season? I find it hard to believe that it could have been "an honest mistake" that no one on the team knew about. Every game ball..? Come on now..!! Just sayin...... While this is NOT a political or religious topic, I respectfully ask that ANYONE who posts a response to this, please keep it civil, and NOT let it descend into chaos. I also respectfully ask that the Moderators of this Forum please allow the discussion to continue, as long as it remains civil. Thank you.
chunkypeanutbutter Posted January 21, 2015 Posted January 21, 2015 It was 11/12 of them. Bare with me, because I'm not a football guy. Why don't the refs check the ball pressure during halftime?
1930fordpickup Posted January 21, 2015 Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) In the original posting about this they claimed that each team brings 12 balls to each game that are checked by the Ref before the game . Now after the fact they are not talking about the balls being checked before the game. No one has said weather both teams balls were checked or not . Two pounds a gage can be off that much. Also if you can not beat them on the field take it to the front office and dirty their name. This sounds more like sore losers to me. Two weeks in a row, but last week the Ravens were crying foul about the rules they did not know. In the end they looked like fools bringing it up. For the record I am a Lions Fan. Edited January 21, 2015 by 1930fordpickup
Kris Morgan Posted January 21, 2015 Posted January 21, 2015 Not a football fan, don't even watch it. I just have a question. If the ball is or is not underinflated does it matter that much? Are both teams not using the same ball? I understand with baseball bats, hockey stick etc, where only one player is using said object. However, if a football is underinflated both teams are using it. Am I wrong on that thought? If a ball is put into play and both teams are using it, does it really matter that much?
1930fordpickup Posted January 21, 2015 Posted January 21, 2015 I do believe that each team uses their own ball on offense .
Jantrix Posted January 21, 2015 Posted January 21, 2015 I do believe that each team uses their own ball on offense . According to the news this morning, that is correct. All 12 balls were checked by officials 2 hours before game. They were all proper weight and pressure. Between then and kickoff, the balls lost 2lbs. It was discovered at halftime by officials. The Pats organization has a history of "lets see what we can get away with", so if something smells fishy, it probably is.
Kris Morgan Posted January 21, 2015 Posted January 21, 2015 Okay, that makes it a different story I guess. Still do not know enough to form an opinion though. I do know things can get outta hand on these sorta issues though. My oldest son was a goalie (ice hockey) for about 10 years. We were in the final game of a tourney and smoking the other team. The coach of the other team was going out of his mind and could not handle how bad the game was going (for them). They measured my sons stick and drape of his jersey. Once that checked out ok, he wanted the refs to measure the sticks of all our players. After getting half way through the refs just told the guy they were not going to continue to waste every ones time.
1930fordpickup Posted January 21, 2015 Posted January 21, 2015 According to the news this morning, that is correct. All 12 balls were checked by officials 2 hours before game. They were all proper weight and pressure. Between then and kickoff, the balls lost 2lbs. It was discovered at halftime by officials. The Pats organization has a history of "lets see what we can get away with", so if something smells fishy, it probably is. Do you think the rest are not trying anything to win? That is a whole lot of money to play like my team ( the Lions) every year. You make more if you win.
Ramfins59 Posted January 21, 2015 Author Posted January 21, 2015 The Pats organization has a history of "lets see what we can get away with", so if something smells fishy, it probably is. OK...... 11 out of 12 balls were underinflated, but, only the Patriots footballs. I would think that the pressure gauges that the officials use are pretty accurate, not like tire pressure gauges. Rob, you said it... I was thinking it.
TFchronos Posted January 21, 2015 Posted January 21, 2015 According to the news this morning, that is correct. All 12 balls were checked by officials 2 hours before game. They were all proper weight and pressure. Between then and kickoff, the balls lost 2lbs. It was discovered at halftime by officials. The Pats organization has a history of "lets see what we can get away with", so if something smells fishy, it probably is. That they do, can't say I have much respect for them. 11 of 12 can't possibly be an accident. I'm with Rich, disqualify them, let the Colts have the spot. But that wont happen, the Pats rake in to much $$$ for the NFL to do that.
Jantrix Posted January 21, 2015 Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) Do you think the rest are not trying anything to win? That is a whole lot of money to play like my team ( the Lions) every year. You make more if you win. The Patriots have a fan base so large that if 50% of fans got mad and boycotted the games, they'd still fill the stadium twice over. If 50% of Cleveland fans boycotted, the team would not survive it. So, no, I don't believe most teams would stoop to cheating because of your very point. Money, they don't want to lose their fanbase, who pay the bills. Scandal is not a good thing unless you're Miley Cyrus. Edited January 21, 2015 by Jantrix
chunkypeanutbutter Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 When did they recheck the pressure? Is it possible that 11 of them could've lost pressure? If they were to cheat, wouldn't they have underinflated ALL of them, not just 11?
Harry P. Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 Here's the story. The balls are checked for pressure and size and weight two hours before the game. Each team uses their own balls, they are allotted 12 balls each. Once the balls are checked and approved they are locked away until just before game time, when each team is given their balls. So somewhere between when the Pats got their "ok" balls and the game, someone on the Pats deflated 11 of them (why not all 12? Who knows).... Did the softer balls make it easier for Brady to throw them? Easier for the Patriot receivers to catch them? Obviously. That's why they did it. Did the softer balls actually have any effect on the final score? Impossible to say. Did the Patriots cheat? Yes. They knowingly and intentionally broke a game rule. It's not a matter of how unimportant a rule, or how unimportant the result, or even if there was any result at all. The bottom line is they cheated. And they have a proven history of cheating. If I was the King of the NFL I would erase that game, throw out all the stats, and make the Patriots and Colts replay the game.
Ramfins59 Posted January 22, 2015 Author Posted January 22, 2015 Harry, I hear what you are saying. however, I feel that to teach the Patriots a lesson, the win, and the team should be disqualified. The win should go to the Colts by default... However, the chances of that happening are nil... Unfortunately.
Harry P. Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 Harry, I hear what you are saying. however, I feel that to teach the Patriots a lesson, the win, and the team should be disqualified. The win should go to the Colts by default... However, the chances of that happening are nil... Unfortunately. I'd make them replay the game. Disqualifiication seems a little harsh. And besides, that would put the Colts in a weird spot of being in the Super Bowl without having actually won the AFCd would throw off the whole Super Bowl. And I don't think the Colts would want to have the game handed to them, anyway. Better to just replay the game and see where it goes. But you're right, nothing like that will be done.
Mark Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 Maybe the twelfth ball was earmarked for the kickers...it might be tougher to kick an underinflated ball, at least for distance. The persistent stench of cheating puts an asterisk next to anything they have accomplished. Not that I care too much...haven't watched the "big game" in over twenty years. The playoffs up to this point are where the better games are anyway...
Harry P. Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 Maybe the twelfth ball was earmarked for the kickers...it might be tougher to kick an underinflated ball, at least for distance. Good point.
Jantrix Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 Maybe the twelfth ball was earmarked for the kickers...it might be tougher to kick an underinflated ball, at least for distance. I think you're on to something there. That makes all sorts of sense.
Deano Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 Maybe the twelfth ball was earmarked for the kickers...it might be tougher to kick an underinflated ball, at least for distance. The persistent stench of cheating puts an asterisk next to anything they have accomplished. Not that I care too much...haven't watched the "big game" in over twenty years. The playoffs up to this point are where the better games are anyway... 20 years? Man, think of the great commercials you've missed!
slusher Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 Last time the Patriots lost a draft pick on cheating in the jets game. Now it could be a draft pick and a fine for Bill. I would say others teams may do things to get an advantage but the patriots have been caught twice now according to what I saw on NFL network. I don't think anything may have helped the colts they looked really bad.
1930fordpickup Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 Maybe the twelfth ball was earmarked for the kickers...it might be tougher to kick an underinflated ball, at least for distance. The persistent stench of cheating puts an asterisk next to anything they have accomplished. Not that I care too much...haven't watched the "big game" in over twenty years. The playoffs up to this point are where the better games are anyway... Good point. The balls used for kicking are marked with a K . Not the normal ball used in the game. They have I believe 6 balls marked with a K for each game. They are also in a box. What I read today was that they have 1 pound to play with for a tolerance 1/2 pound each way.
Joe Handley Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 Does weather affect footballs like it can car tires?
rmvw guy Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 I am a Colts fan and clearly the Pats won by a convincing margin. I doubt if the ball pressure would have made that much difference. Why did they have to cheat? Once a cheater always a cheater. Belichick should be banned from the Super Bowl. Just like in NASCAR when the crewchief is banned when the team has been proven to cheat. My only question is why are 12 balls ditributed to each team before a game starts? Wouldn't it be more fair if they were distributed durring the game by the refs like in baseball with the exception of the practice balls?
Ramfins59 Posted January 22, 2015 Author Posted January 22, 2015 That's an excellent idea Ron. Let's see if the Football "powers that be" come up with that idea.
Ace-Garageguy Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 All this talk about cheating and balls... I've always just assumed that cheats have no balls.
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