Tom Geiger Posted January 21, 2015 Posted January 21, 2015 I take a lot of photos during my build process. Much of it is so that I see things in the pictures that I may not have see in person. It's interesting how these things jump out at you on the screen. So when I post build threads, I DO want to hear about anything that's not right, especially since it's still in progress and I have the opportunity to fix it. On the other hand, when I was building my '34 Ford sedan, all I got were "Nice" "Very nice" as comments. Then I posted in a different thread asking why Round 2 hadn't reissued the '33 and '34 Ford sedan kits... well, people jumped out to tell me it was because the roof shape was wrong! I hadn't noticed that myself and nobody mentioned anything in my build thread! So I asked for help and got reference photos etc. I had already put the final finish on the car (thankfully it was to be primer red!) so I went about sanding the roof per instructions. I would've felt pretty bad if I found it out after the model was completely done.
10thumbs Posted January 21, 2015 Author Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) Take the 'other' kind with a grain of salt...some people have a difficult time trying to be positive....about anything. Cal, you're so right. Why is it though, on this forum there is nothing to be seen about the "other kind"? I don't see any nitpicking here, I'm happy about it! Edited January 21, 2015 by 10thumbs
Snake45 Posted January 21, 2015 Posted January 21, 2015 I take a lot of photos during my build process. Much of it is so that I see things in the pictures that I may not have see in person. It's interesting how these things jump out at you on the screen. So when I post build threads, I DO want to hear about anything that's not right, especially since it's still in progress and I have the opportunity to fix it. On the other hand, when I was building my '34 Ford sedan, all I got were "Nice" "Very nice" as comments. Then I posted in a different thread asking why Round 2 hadn't reissued the '33 and '34 Ford sedan kits... well, people jumped out to tell me it was because the roof shape was wrong! I hadn't noticed that myself and nobody mentioned anything in my build thread! So I asked for help and got reference photos etc. I had already put the final finish on the car (thankfully it was to be primer red!) so I went about sanding the roof per instructions. I would've felt pretty bad if I found it out after the model was completely done. Good post. There are a couple workshop builds of a car I know a little about on now. On one, the guy seemed to be interested in accuracy and detail, and hadn't painted the body yet, so I suggested an easy fix he could make on it. On the other, there are a few changes that can be made that REALLY improve the accuracy of that body, but the guy already painted it before he stared posting the WIP so I just kept my big evil mouth shut. Ah shucks oh well.
Lucas van H Posted January 21, 2015 Posted January 21, 2015 'Why is it though, on this forum there is nothing to be seen about the "other kind"? I don't see any nitpicking here, I'm happy about' I personally haven't seen anything that is nitpicking too, some comments are on the edge between constructive and destructive. I like to think that if you can't take critique, you may have made the wrong choice to subscribe to any type of forum. There will always be critisism from a group of people, it's about how you deal with it. Lucas.
10thumbs Posted January 21, 2015 Author Posted January 21, 2015 Hi Tom, I like taking lots of photos too. They're unmerciful! If I can make it look better, I'll try. If I don't succeed, I really don't like reading about how 10 other members take it apart and offer no help to make it better. This is the model car experience I've had on another forum. The tone makes the music. I'm just wondering if I've become somewhat gun-shy about criticism. I do like the fact that critique on this forum is kept to a minimum. When asked for, OK. Voluntarily writing everything you think is not up to par.....dude, get.a.life! is what I think. When a member asks, "what do you think", then OK. "Experts" that show none of their own work is something that i had to learn about. Internet, right?
High octane Posted January 21, 2015 Posted January 21, 2015 10thumbs if you don't like criticism, that's fine but this forum belongs to ALL of us.
rmvw guy Posted January 21, 2015 Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) Creative response to constructive criticism is what I like, wish I was better at it. I intentionally left it off because......... Most of us are probably perfect strangers to each other therefore, I hate to criticise anyone's work. Who Knows, they may be border line on how they will react from one extreme to another. " Welcome to the hobby" is the best thing anyone here can say. Please don't send them away with negative words. I won't comment if I don't have anything good to say, besides I can almost always think of something good to say about someone else's work. After all it is their pride and joy. I will respond to constructive criticism myself by saying "thanks" but, I don't know how someone else will react to my criticism. Tulio told me I had the wrong hub cap on the right front of my '36 Ford, it was meant to go on the spare. I appreciate that comment, he is right! Will I change it? I don't know, probably not. Everytime I look at my '36 I think of Tulio and I like Tulio. All of his models are right and I enjoy seeing his work. That is why I respect his comments. Harry the same thing, I know his work and it rates with the best. I wish I could rise to that level but, for now . If I ever attain that level I may consider a show contest but, for now I am happy just to share on this forum. Thanks guys! Edited January 21, 2015 by rmvw guy
cobraman Posted January 21, 2015 Posted January 21, 2015 For me it's like one of my favorite bands J. Geils says............. Ain't what you say, it's how you say it.
10thumbs Posted January 21, 2015 Author Posted January 21, 2015 10thumbs if you don't like criticism, that's fine but this forum belongs to ALL of us. Nick, I don't understand you. My name is Michael by the way. I don't like nitpicking. Michael
Tom Geiger Posted January 21, 2015 Posted January 21, 2015 "Experts" that show none of their own work is something that i had to learn about. Internet, right? Those guys existed before the Internet! Back when I first got involved over 25 years ago, there was a guy in my club who took great glee in tearing apart any model anyone would put down on the table. I was new to building and he ripped my stuff apart. The final straw for me was when he told me that he disqualified my model from the little club contest because it had Krylon paint on the body, and "Everyone knows you can't use Krylon." I nearly quit the club and hobby! A couple guys took me aside and encouraged me, and told me to ignore the dolt. 25 years later this guy still has no finished models.
10thumbs Posted January 21, 2015 Author Posted January 21, 2015 Ron, you are so right! I personally have a big problem with criticizing another guys work. I just don't like to do it. If he wants it, then OK. I'd write maybe the paint has some orange peel, work on sanding smoother before finishing. I see it like this; a man shows a model he's just finished and he has the guts to do so on the internet. It's his work. It ain't perfect. He has no problem with perfection. He did it. I am not going to knock it. If he writes for some critique, be easy and not brutal. @Ray, yep! That's the way it should be.
10thumbs Posted January 21, 2015 Author Posted January 21, 2015 Those guys existed before the Internet! Back when I first got involved over 25 years ago, there was a guy in my club who took great glee in tearing apart any model anyone would put down on the table. I was new to building and he ripped my stuff apart. The final straw for me was when he told me that he disqualified my model from the little club contest because it had Krylon paint on the body, and "Everyone knows you can't use Krylon." I nearly quit the club and hobby! A couple guys took me aside and encouraged me, and told me to ignore the dolt. 25 years later this guy still has no finished models. Tom, thanks for this. Again, you are able to sum up what I'm actually trying to convey. Michael
Snake45 Posted January 21, 2015 Posted January 21, 2015 Those guys existed before the Internet! Back when I first got involved over 25 years ago, there was a guy in my club who took great glee in tearing apart any model anyone would put down on the table. I was new to building and he ripped my stuff apart. The final straw for me was when he told me that he disqualified my model from the little club contest because it had Krylon paint on the body, and "Everyone knows you can't use Krylon." I nearly quit the club and hobby! A couple guys took me aside and encouraged me, and told me to ignore the dolt. 25 years later this guy still has no finished models. I found the perfect way to handle "sexual intellectuals"* of this kind. I just say, "I'm not understanding you. Show me what you mean on YOUR model." I have yet to have one of these blowhards show me a finished model. *Sexual intellectual--A guy who knows 87 exotic Oriental lovemaking techniques, but doesn't know any women.
slusher Posted January 21, 2015 Posted January 21, 2015 Michael, I don't like to be negative, and everyone has their own skill level. I see some newer members models getting better every car posted. A comment the wrong way and someone might stop building. If I cannot see anything good, I choose not to comment. Our fellow builders we know well, take constructive criticism better...
Ace-Garageguy Posted January 21, 2015 Posted January 21, 2015 I'm more critical of my own work than anybody else is going to be, believe me. I usually point out the flaws myself first, just so I don't have to hear or read them. Simplifies everything. What I'm not too keen on is folks who'll start off on their particular taste in color, or some other purely personal-preference-style point. If you would have painted it red with purple seats, by all means, paint YOURS red with purple seats. Then there are the ones who tell me I did something wrong when the "wrong" was intentional and explained in the thread text, and if they had bothered to actually READ the thread instead of just looking at the pictures and mouthing off, they'd already have their answer. On the other hand, if someone has an idea as to how I can improve my model building, something they think might be appropriate to add or delete on a WIP, or catches a technical error, then, by all means, let me know.
southpier Posted January 21, 2015 Posted January 21, 2015 I think y'all'r doin' a great job. but seriously .... if you don't want criticism, either post a disclaimer at the beginning of your thread, or don't post at all. you're always going to leave feeling hurt or slighted. it's the nature of the beast. can we skip the Nitpicking & Criticism Thread for February? maybe all the even months? so then it could just be Jan., Mar., et cetera.
Harry P. Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 Are you nitpicking about the schedule of nitpicking threads?
Snake45 Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 Are you nitpicking about the schedule of nitpicking threads? Would that be meta, or simply self-referential?
10thumbs Posted January 22, 2015 Author Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) So where is a nitpicking topic? I did a search "nitpicking", nothing came up, and I haven't seen one here. "site:modelcarsmag.com nitpicking". The topic is still fairly popular though. I think most guys get irritated when others are knocking a model constantly, and not showing anything themselves. I checked the other forum out just now, before I logged on here. There's a beautiful car just up, and 4 out of 6 comments are knocking the model. Two of the guys even repeat what another nitpicker wrote, and adding "the car is not my taste". "The car looks good, the paint is fantastic, but the hood is crooked". Man really. The OP writes back, the hood is OK, it moved while being photographed. I wouldn't even mention the hood. I can't see where it's crooked anyway. Edited January 22, 2015 by 10thumbs
Pim Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 I look at it this way if you are not willing to take criticism don't share your build on here
Lunajammer Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) I don't get why someone would get very upset over what someone on the internet said. Generally, people are more compelled to compliment what excites them than criticize. If I get criticized, it's just an opinion that's part of the public conversation. I don't know the guy so why would I let it bug me? That's also why I don't participate in drama threads, because I'm not emotionally invested in them. On the other side, I don't necessarily embrace short compliments like puppy dogs either unless it comes from people I respect. I welcome compliments but, dialog means more. "Nice work" means less to me than, "What do you think caused that crinkling behind the headlight lens?" Edited January 22, 2015 by Lunajammer
Greg Myers Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 Since when has "show me yours and you can critique mine" been a prerequisite here, much less on any other board? By the way Mr, Dalton, looking at your content one doesn't see too many entries in the "Under Glass" section.
Greg Myers Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 Just some other ideas http://www.modelcarsmag.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=97599
10thumbs Posted January 22, 2015 Author Posted January 22, 2015 Since when has "show me yours and you can critique mine" been a prerequisite here, much less on any other board? By the way Mr, Dalton, looking at your content one doesn't see too many entries in the "Under Glass" section. Huh? Mr. Myers, I've been here just about one year. I've built 3 models, none were OTB, so they took awhile. All three cars had a WIP thread.as well as 2 in Drag Racing, 1 in Under Glass. I build one car at a time.
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