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Plan to build two or three of the old Cobra 427 racers, from Revell (old kits) or Fujimi kits - CSX 3002 = the prototype 427 - CSX 3008 = the Hal Keck racer - CSX 3009 = the Essex Wire car A) In the kits no seat belts are included Have searched the net for period photos, but the photos I have found are not clear, on some there are somewhat dark lines over the shoulders of the drivers, but it is not possible to see if these "lines" are belts or something else Have found two different (very fine) drawings of old racing Cobras, but unfortunately one one of them there are no belts, the other one has lap belts both on the driver side and the passenger side Thus my questions are - were belts not used in these cars in period / in the early years ? The 3002 is now restored and now has what I can see a "two-point"/ lap-belt but that is after renovation - if belts were used in period (-65/ 67) were they lap belts only or were they full harnesses with two shoulder straps ? Belts on both sides or only on driver side ? If harness was actually used , I assume that would be only on driver side ? - if harness was the execution used, did the shoulder straps attach directly to the rear bulkhead straight behind the driver? Or were they attached to the floor ? B ) In at least the Revell kits there are no radiator/ cooling fans included (the kit depicting the CSX 3002 actually have a two-blade fan but no bracket, as I can find) But in photos of many Cobras one can frequently see one or two fans (in front of the radiator) So : - the three cars mentioned above, were they initially run without fans as according to the kits ( fans perhaps added over time) ? C) The prototype CSX 3002, as seen in photos and YT clips, seems to have a smaller radiator opening in the front end (more similar to the one on the 289s) vs the other two (later) cars. At least that is my impression. Correct / wrong ? Both the Revell and (especially) the Fujimi kits seems to have the larger opening. Correct/ wrong ? D) Both the Revell and the Fujimi kits have large single carbs included for all three cars The Fujimi kit of CSX 3009 has also Webers, though the instruction sheet shows single carb The CSX 3009 was nicknamed "Ollie the Dragon" emanating from, according to the thread i found, "It´s habit to throw large flames from it Weber carbs" Was this car run with both Webers and alternatively with single carb ? What alternative would be the most correct to use ? Thanks for information and advices / Gunnar

Followed the advice given by Brian Plus when looking at the parts, I found it was necessary to do minor trim off on the "bearing bushings" on the front inner wheels plus took away some minor vertical flash on the steering knuckles in the front, both actions to allow the wheel to move sufficiently long into the axle to snap/ click Three of the wheels now clicked smoothly and distincly into place, stays there and can be rotated. The fourth still does not snapp distincly, and work itself loose when rotated but I think I leave it as it is now Thanks for your advices / Gunnar

I am building (for the first time) this kit, the Monogram/ Revell Cobra and need some advice. It is the rather old version, molded in blue "metallic" The instructions says one shall just enter/ push the assembled wheel (with tyre and rim) onto the the shafts/ axle stubs Dry mounting gives the impression of a rather loose fit between the wheel (centre) and the axle stubs, so far I have not (yet) pushed hard all the way "to the bottom" of the stubs. My questions: Is there a "click" function (like on the old Monogram Museum Pieces), close to the bottoms of the stubs which locks the wheel on the stub and the wheel can rotate ? If so, I get the impression from the dry assembly (and experience from Monogram Museum Packard), that one has to push rather hard to overcome the click function. Correct ? Or is the intention / design such, that one just pushes the wheel as "deep" as possible onto the stub and there secure it with glue (needed to prevent them from falling off) ? That is the wheels are by design not intended to rotate. Or is there something I miss / do not understand ? Advices are much appreciated to avoid doing silly mistakes on what appears to be a rather nice model. Regards / G

Perhaps a wish list but anyway a list, unprioritized - Italeri Ferrari 250 SWB - MPC Ford GT Mk4LeMans winner -67 - AMT Ford Falcon Futura Sprint -64 With rally equipment including the "stripped" interior. And decals for the correct year of the Monte Carlo Rally, i.e. 1964 (the original kit had decals for a car driven in the -63 rally, driven by Peter Jopp) - AMT Pontiac Catalina -63 With decals, wheesl/tyres and other parts to build both a proper Swiss Cheese drag racer (Ace Wilsons Royal Oak) and a Nascar racer. This year was the last year when the full-size Pontiacs were competitive in both genres of racing, e.g. Joe Wearthery becoming the Nascar champion, driving for several teams, including Pontiacs, out of necessity. Personally I would by 2 kits to build both versions - Tamiya Morgan +4 - Revell Jaguar XK120 - Revell Jaguar XK-SS Even better would be a modification to a proper D-type - Revell Mercedes 300 SLR, the Moss / Jenkinson MM winner 1955 A few of these would certainly find their place on my shelf.

A first build post from me, sorry for newcomers various technical shortcomings Am not sure of the technique for attaching the photos Photos taken by phone, not super Brush painting = not exactly professional Anyway it is the Italeri Ferrari California SWB, a project I started ca 20 years ago, brought out and finished over the weekend The tyres have lost all the softener agent in the material, rather hard now Thanks for looking / Gunnar

Re comments above on wish lists and validity of wishes from an economical view. For, at least me, it is difficult to make such estimations, but obviously all the products, at least in my long list, would not be econmically feasible to launch into the market. Just showing what kind of products would be interesting for me if any or several of them , came on the market I would think there should preferrably be some kind of logical connection between what is introduced and what is already on the market. As an example, group of 60´s rally cars. Currently there is quite good and extensive coverage of rally cars from the 70´s and forward. In the 60´s there is the Mini and the Alpine plus the new MGB kit is offered as rally version. Have seen in some threads that there are rumours (or hopes) for a Austin Healy, which would be nice to have with rally equipment. Now if one considers what is available and add the cars in "my" rally group, you have a comprehensive coverage of the succesful ones in the 60´s decade. Now you could ask, if a few of the rather low volume rally cars I listed, e.g. the Saab or Volvo(s) would be commercially viable. If one considers the current quite extensive offerings from Aoshima, Beemax, Hasegawa et al , they offer cars, which were not in the main stream of high volume production cars, but they were successful in the competition, and somehow the kit producers offer them to have good coverage and these kit producers apparently find ways to make them economically viable. So one should perhaps not underestimate the possibilties for new "clusters" of kits. FWIW , I below put down the products I think would have the largest market attraction / "there is a hole in the market" Not prioritized - Jaguar D type - Ferrari 250P/275 P - Ford GT Mk4 Reason: Most of the great mid/late 60´s sports cars and forward are available, but the Mk4, Lemans winner -67, is missing (as the Ferrari 250/275 P). Fujimi apparently finds customers for their -66 Mk2 and the -68 GT40/ John Wyer car, the Ford vs Ferrari film presumably helping the interest MPC made a quite good kit (the included trailer could be omitted), perhaps possibility for re-issue ??? - Morgan +4 and/or +8 Iconic, complementary to the MGB and the Healy - Pontiac Bonneville -63 With Royal Oak livery as in the original AMT-kit. If possible also NASCAR parts included This was the last year where the big Pontiacs were seriously involved in the racing, and the predecessors the -61 and -62´s are available in various forms / Gunnar

A few ideas, not previously released in 1/24-25 acc to my knowledge Lancias - B24 Spider ca 1955. Just a very beautiful convertible - Fulvia coupé with parts for both rallying and track racing Was very succesful in rallying with serveral renowned drivers, e.g. Harry Källström, Simo Lampinen; Pat Moss-Carlsson, Sandro Munari.... Astura Convertible ca 1937. A large, beautiful and magnificent car in general Bentley The S1/ S2 Continentals from the ca 1956/57, had somewhat larger glass areas vs earlier version, creating a lighter "green-house". Slingle lamp execution, not twin They were both as 2-d fastback coupé, a 2-d notchback coupe and a 4-d saloon, all beautiful and stately Ferrari Yes there is the issue of Licencing, but ... - The ca 1959 Pinin Farina 250 GT Coupé A very clean and elegant design. The first Ferrari to be built in a series production, though still low numbers - The ca 1965-66 GTC Coupé and the GTS convertible. Single lamp execution Both very beautiful and seems now to gain interest in the classic car world - The 1963-65 250/275 250 P in spyder version Very dominant in sports car racing these years. The coupe version was the last Ferrari to win LeMans overall in 1965. And LeMans -63/64 was won by the same car , a spyder with 250 engine in -63, a 275 engine in -64. The only Ferrari ever to win two LeMans. Came up for sale a few years ago, was then believed to be the most expensive car ever sold. Outcome unknown for me. In my opinion the spyders look much better than the coupés. Monogram did a spyder, a slot car body, which looked fairly ok, but was very simple and pehaps acc to my eyes a little oversize. There has also been a simple model of the coupe. Of such a legendary car there ought to be a fully detailed model with engine etc - Naturally "any" of the legendary 40´s and 50´s competition sports cars Mercedes - The 1960- 71 W111 2-d / 4 seater coupé and/ or convertible, initially 220 SE with 2,2 litr inline 6 cyl, last years also with a 3,5 litr V8. In the last years the radiator/bonnet was slightly lowered, nick-named the "Flach-kühler", very sought after in todays classic car market - The ca 1957-60 300 Coupe and/ or Convertible A stately and imposing car, old fashioned styling with the fenders still not integrated in the body Classic 60´s track and rally cars There are goood selection of cars from the 70´s and later, but not so much from the earlier decade except the Mini and the Alpine 110. So these would be interesting - The Lancia Fulvia mentioned above - Ford Cortina Lotus At the forefront in all kinds of racing during this decade with many great drivers; John Withmore, Jim Clark, Graham Hill, Jacky Ickx, Bo Ljungfeldt, Bengt Söderström, Vic Elford, Roger Clark..... - The Volvos PV 544 and Amazon Succcessful in European track racing and rallying until Volvo´s withdrawal after an accident 1963 - Saab Primarily the shortnose/bullnose 96 2-stroke Mainly rallying, ref Erik Carlsson Monte Carlo wins -62 & 63 but also brave entries in the East African Safari Rallys for several years But also the V4s from ca 1969-71are interesting, quite dominant in Scandinavian rallys but also remarkable performances in the -69 & -70 Baja 1000. In the -71 Saab Safarientry a remarkable performance by one of the mechanics, Bernt Melin, jumping in as driver with only one or two days notification as one of the regular drivers, Tom Trana, became ill. Melin finished 18th despite having to help with service job on the other Saab entry, driven by Stig Blomqvist. Jaguar D-type There is really no proper model of this most iconic racing sports car. The Lindberg kit I think do not do justice to it. Revell did the street version XK-SS, but that differs in many ways from the precedessor , the actual racing D-type Re-releases In addition to these presumably new models above, it would be nice to see re-releases of - the Revell Classics = MB W196 F1, The Moss-Jenkinson Mille Miglia-55 300 SLR, the Uhlenhaut 300 SL Coupé, BMW 507, Jaguar XK-SS - the Tamiya Jaguar XK 120 and Mk2 and Italeri Ferrari 250 SWB -61 - AMT/ other Ford Falcon Futura Sprint -64 with proper rally equipment , the Monte Carlo car winning all the special stages with Bo Ljungfeldt at the wheel. Would be busy by these kits for quite some time/ Gunnar

My list as below, in no particular order - Aurora Porsche 904 There were some sink marks visible on the body, but overall they got it very right in proportions, stance etc And the opening rear end fitted and worked very good - Heller Porsche 917 John Wyer/ Gulf Iconic car, looks quite ok, mostly logical build, sometimes a little fiddly, good moulding quality and detail - Heller Ferrari 512 See Porsche 917 - Heller Ferrari P3/P4 See Porsche 917 - Heller Bentley Blower LeMans 1930 See Porsche 917 - AMT AC Cobra as it was at the original release ca 1966 With appropriate halibrand kidney wheels, good set of decals etc Went together without problems and looked quite right. Recently built another one. Disappointment: in some areas inadequate presicion and moulding quality, instruction errors etc - AMT Pontiac Bonneville hdtp 1963 My first 1/25 model, just loved it - AMT Fold Falcon Futura Sprint 1964 Looked quite right despite some simplifications. And decal error: Car from 1964 but decals from Monte Carlo Rally 1963 - AMT Chevrolet Bel Air 1962 Dave Strickler - Monogram Packard Boat Tail Speedster Have a few unbuilt and unfinished kits in the stash. The list may change.

To reconnect to the wish for a comprehensive kit of the -64 Monte Carlo Rally Falcon, a few more comments - Above has been mentioned track racing versions. There were several Falcon cars successfully raced in Europe, main opposition beeing the Jaguar mk2 3.8 l, Mercedes 220/300 SE as well as Ford Cortina Lotus and Volvos Have seen info that, in the batch of cars built by Holman&Moody, there was also one which went to Daytona for track racing in 1964, presumably the Walt Hansgen car finishing 7th in the American Cup race, a "preliminary" to the sports car race two days later. - The low weight on the rally car I had seen and quoted, 1080 kg, most likely was with empty car Have later seen figures in the range of up to almost 1300 kg, this with fluids and spares on board. The car had an additional fuel tank, in total carrying just over 100 litres. - Ljungdeldt was not only an accomplished rally driver, he was also very good at track racing, mainly tarmac but sometimes also on ice, often driving Ford Cortina Lotus. He also drove Formula Junior, a very popular class in Europe in the early -60´s, max engine displacement most of the time 1100 cc, in later years increased to 1600 cc. Ljungfeldt drove a Lotus 18, a car which Saab on one occasion, oct 31st/ Nov 1st -60, loaned for benchmark testing of their Formula Junior project. - Finally, I myself saw Ljungfeldt with navigator Fergus Sager driving their -64 Falcon in the -64 Swedish rally, finishing 7th. In those days this rally was driven early/mid June. Imagine a small , narrow winding gravel road outside the medeival town of Skara, the forrest crowded with spectators. We were sitting a little high up viewing slightly down on the road in the setting afternoon/early evening sun. The cars came, a large variey; Minis, VW 1200 and 1600, various Fords and Fiats, Porsches (356), Volvos 544 and Amazon and naturally 2-stroke Saabs. In the midst of this came the Falcon. Quite a contrast considering size and sound. ( However it must be said, that in my ears there is very few things which tops a higly tuned Saab 2-stroke driven 110 %. Though in a different area of the frequency spectructrum ) So there are the reasons why I woluld like to see this Falcon modelled (again)

A wish for an unusual model from Moebius: The Ford Falcon Futura Sprint 1964 Monte Carlo Rally 1964 as driven by Bo Ljungfeldt Why: He is up to now the only one who has been fastest on all the special stages in this famous rally. And that in two years in a row, both in 1963 and 1964. In 1963 he got stuck in a traffic jam on a transport stretch, this due to very bad snow conditions, resulting in severe time penalties, and he ended up in 42nd In 1964 the rules and handicap system was changed , unfavourably for him and his large (and fast) car. Thus he was on 5th before the final race on the GP track in the town of Monte Carlo, 3 laps only. He managed to regain most of his deficit vs the leaders, but not fully, came 2nd behind Paddy Hopkirk in a Mini in the total standing. (Erik Carlsson in a 2-stroke Saab in 3rd) But Ljungfeldt was fastest on all the special stages. AMT made a rather ok looking model 55 years ago of the -64 Rally Falcon (built it then) But unfortunately they used the signs and numbers (221) of the Peter Jopp car in the 1963 rally (ending 34th) This model also had the regular "fully furnished" standard interior. More on that below. The -64 Ljungfeldt car (no 49) was the most radically prepared of several Falcons in the Rally. The cars were originally built and prepared in the US in the Holman-Moody work shop, thereafter sent to Europe (Alan Mann and other) for final preparations. The engine was a 289 tuned at Shelby' s. The Ljungfelt car was the lightest of these Falcons, having "no interior", and was the only one coming close to meet the homologized weight of 1080 kg, the others were heavier Hence it also was quite quick, aided by rather short gearing , giving a top speed around 125 mph/ 200 kph. As Moebius have tooling for the sister car Mercury Comet several components I think would be possible to share. As a side comment it can be mentioned that the Comet in rally execution was entered in the 1964 East African Safari Rally) This Ljungfeldt car still exists. So a nice kit of the Ljungfeldt Falcon Futura Sprint -64 Monte Carlo Rally would be high on my wish list

Did some further searching on the net. Found info on this forum from 2014 and also in other forums and articles. Iindicates that the car had a more or less full interior trim (blue) from the outset of the -64 season (Daytona 500) but it was gradually "decontented" as the season continued, this naturally to save weight. And at least the metal in the roll cage in Petty´s car was most likely blue. In line with current knowledge ? Or some new findings ?

SfanGoch & Force: Thanks for good information Seems like the Lindberg-kit is the one to go for when it is time for building. Now reamains how to find any kind of interior pictures on the -64 car. Found on YT yesterday a film with Emerson Fittipaldi driving the -67 car on Goodwood Speed Festival, Seemed from short glipses, that the interior sheet metal was completely exposed./ barren. Probably this was the case also on the -64. But how did it look ??? Berr 13:: Apologies for adding items to the topics of your thread Thought it would be a good opportunity to raise these questions, as those in the know of the Petty cars were already alerted.

As a new forum member, not building models for many years, I venture a few questions related to the Petty Plymouth -64 but not related to the the engine speciacially as this thread started, Hopefully this deviation is ok. 1) There are Lindberg and Johan kits of this car (probably the later also boxed as AMT?) What are the differences between them (if any) ? Which is the preferred on ? 2) I have the impression that both have the simple underbody with the exhaust and rear axle /chassis molded intergral with this .' Correct/wrong ? 3) I have the impression that both have a "fully furnished interior tub" Correct/wrong ? 4) But the actual car was stripped interior-wise ? Suggestions how to realize this in a model ? Where to find pictures of the interior incl the ip-panel ? Have searched the net and youtube, so far unsuccessfully. 5) Considering the questions on the underbody and the interior, would it be a sensible idea to combine either the Johan or the Lindberg kit with one of the modern kits of drag racers ? E.g the AMT Lawman alt the Moebuis S/S Eckstrand S/S car ? As these are more detailed on the underside, and in these kits there are separate interior sides which perhaps could be handed, putting e.g. the right one on the left side with its outside facing inwards, and cutting holes/ openings where appropriate Obviously the intake manifold must be changed to a single carb and NASCAR exhausts installed , but I would think both are included in the Johan/Lindberg kit? Also Nascar type tyres and rims must be used. Those in the Lindberg or Johan kit ok ? Or aftermarket parts needed ? 6) Or other suggestions for better starting point to build this car ? Appreciate all feed back on these questions as I would like to build this car., but is uncertain about the best way

Hello all Have just registred myself on this forum, which I recently found. Who am I (from a modellers perspective that is) ? In mid 60´s during my college years I built a number of models. Together with a friend, we in the autumn bought kits from Auto World, 5-6 kits each to build during the winter. In those days there was very limited availbility in our native Sweden of interesting car models , thus the Auto World catalogue was opening a literally new world. My first kit from them was an AMT Pontiac Bonneville 1963. Gradually the interest and time for modelling dwindled , but a few years ago the interest was sparked again for some reason and now I do some building, Started with scratch building simple wooden boats (from old drawings/ no kits) and after a while started to look again at car modelling in styrene. Very inauspicious but still.... Being retired since a few years there is now more time available again. My interest is quite diversified; mainly classic cars from the 30´s, classic sports and racing cars from 50´s-70´s, stock car drag racers and Nascar from the 60´s. Have already found valuable information in several topics , look forward to follow this in the future. Regards kjohan