Harry P.

Wow, R&T really likes it. That pretty much backs up CR's high score.

And this relates to the current topic how?....

1. Take a nap. 2. Get a dog. 3. Switch to mustard, it's better for you. You're welcome...

Agreed. What they've accomplished in such a short time is pretty impressive.

I'm pretty good at playing the radio...

I agree... always have liked the "toned paper and white pencil" technique. Your drawing looks very cool.

I used to subscribe. Their testing methods are pretty thorough and solid as far as methodology. Sure, test results will vary depending on exactly who is doing the testing, how they do it, and what parameters they define as being important or relevant. I'm sure Hot Rod would probably have a different opinion of the car than CR does.

I don't think you can test for practicality, and you certainly can't test for affordability. To one person a 7-passenger SUV is highly practical, to another, a Miata is practical. Same with price... it's a matter of personal preference (or bank account!). But you can test for things like acceleration, braking, handling, ride comfort, reliability, construction quality, etc., and in those areas the Tesla apparenty does very well.

I get your point, but like I said, that's where electric car technology is today. Range is limited, recharge times are long. Obviously an all-electric car isn't going to be most people's first choice for their daily driver. But given the inherent limits of today's electric cars, they found this one to be the best they've tested so far. That's all they're saying.

Exactly. Their methodology is sound. Car & Driver might give points to a car for a "throaty exhaust note," but that's because they test cars with a bias toward what their readers want and expect. CR tests cars without bias (or maybe I should say a bias towards "regular" consumers). I think their testing methods are solid and make perfect sense. And they never said that the Tesla is the best car ever... they're saying it's the best car that they have ever tested, according to their own testing methodology.

I don't get why you guys dismiss their testing or results. Seems to me that they test cars in a legitimate, realistic way, using parameters that apply to real-world, regular people, not gearheads or drag racers or "car guys." As far as the limited range... well, yeah, at this point in time and technology, electric cars are limited in range. But they have to judge the car based on today's performance standards, not tomorrow's possible performance standards. Today's electric cars are what they are, they'll get better in the future, but as of today, they find this one to be the best so far. I can't see any legitimate flaws or anomalies in their results. Sure, this car might not be your average gearhead's cup of tea, but then again, it's not meant to be. The car apparently does what it was designed to do very well. And looks very cool on top of it! It's out of my league, price-wise... but if I was in a place where I could shop for cars in that price range, I'd give this one a serious look. Might not buy it, but I'd sure not dismiss it out of hand.

Meaning what? That the testers aren't all 17 year-old gearheads? How do you see their testing as invalid or irrelevant or whatever it is you're inferring?

You will...

You'll have to read them in Prince Harry's voice now...

Looks like it averages out to a bit more than ten bucks a kit, delivered. Not a bad price to pay.

It doesn't really have anything to do with people not understanding the rules. Up til now, "anything goes" was the rule in the General section. I just think it's better if we keep the General section limited to topics that are model car or automotive related, and put the real "off-topic" stuff in a separate place.

I can't go with that idea. Convenient, yes. But to me, "grilling" means cooking over a charcoal or wood flame. "Grilling" on a gas flame is just cooking outside. Might as well just do it in the kitchen.

Good one! I like that.

...the farms of Ohio...had been replaced by shopping malls. And muzak filled the air... from Seneca to Cuyahoga Falls... Where'd you go, Ohio?

Not exactly Jimmy Page... but not bad!

Well, that's the thing. We shall see...

Right! And post any club info in the "Under Glass" section!

That "off-topic" section was called "Rants and Raves." Bad title. Too many people took it to mean that they could go off on other people, fling accusations, cause trouble, etc. It was a mess. This new area is meant for all the birthday posts, jokes, "my cat just died" kind of stuff, not for personal attacks. There will be no ranting allowed. The point is to keep the "General" section at the top limited to model car and other automotive-related stuff only. If people abuse this new off-topic section, I'll delete it, and delete all other off-topic stuff that gets posted in the General section.... and we just won't allow any off-topic stuff anymore. It's up to you guys.

Yes, that's the intent.