Okay, Revell gave us the '32 Ford and is now readying to get their '29 Ford roadster & siblings to market, but what is the next Hot Rod model to do?

[Ace-Garageguy]

Though I'd LOVE to see accurate new-tool '35 or '36 Fords (Revell could base those on the 1/25 '40 kits, as the chassis on '35-'40 Ford cars are almost identical) I'd think Revell would be better off doing a rendition of something never before offered, rather than competing heads-up with the recent AMT reissue of the 1/25 scale '36, and the older (better) '36 kits that can still be had for reasonable money.

The strategy of making the '29 rod kit a hot-rod parts source is a good one, even though there are many decent model-A kits already available. Revell's inclusion of all the goodies in their '29 roadster removes it from direct competition with any other A kits, and will probably strengthen sales of ALL of them.

I still maintain that the two most iconic hot-rods not currently available in styrene are the '26-'27 Ford roadster, and an accurately-proportioned '33-'34 Ford 3-window coupe.

Edited May 18, 2015 by Ace-Garageguy

[Greg Myers]

Makes sense to me. Something else to consider, Fenders on- Fenders off, gives a bunch more building options not available with cars you can only build with fenders on( Granted, one can pretty much leave the fenders off just about anything *)

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[johnbuzzed]

How about a thirties Mopar?

Indeed!!!

[1930fordpickup]

Though I'd LOVE to see accurate new-tool '35 or '36 Fords (Revell could base those on the 1/25 '40 kits, as the chassis on '35-'40 Ford cars are almost identical) I'd think Revell would be better off doing a rendition of something never before offered, rather than competing heads-up with the recent AMT reissue of the 1/25 scale '36, and the older (better) '36 kits that can still be had for reasonable money.

The strategy of making the '29 rod kit a hot-rod parts source is a good one, even though there are many decent model-A kits already available. Revell's inclusion of all the goodies in their '29 roadster removes it from direct competition with any other A kits, and will probably strengthen sales of ALL of them.

I still maintain that the two most iconic hot-rods not currently available in styrene are the '26-'27 Ford roadster, and an accurately-proportioned '33-'34 Ford 3-window coupe.

I agree Bill just look at what they are and have been restamping in steel for the real cars.

One thing to consider would be parts packs for most of the cars mentioned. A hopup pack could fit many different car and makes , this way the would only have to make the molds one time instead of making the same part in a mold over and over. Just grab the tree for the engine of choice and place it in the box for a complete kit .

I do not think anything is going to be a million kit seller anymore but if they spread out the cost of the molding between four or five different kits it should be cheaper for all involved.

As Bill the Car Wizard has said Ford used the same frame for many different years why shouldn't Revell do the same.

[AzTom]

How about some late 30's or 40's Cabovers? That seems to be popular now.

[Jantrix]

1938 Chevy Coupe, with optional speed parts and custom goodies + optional coupe pickup parts.

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/1938-chevrolet-master-and-master-deluxe.htm

Edited May 19, 2015 by Jantrix

[southpier]

love the cargo bed. what an option that would be.

[Ace-Garageguy]

1938 Chevy Coupe, with optional speed parts and custom goodies + optional coupe pickup parts.

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/1938-chevrolet-master-and-master-deluxe.htm

The '37 is pretty much the same car...and AMT already has one...

[Greg Myers]

That's just the way these threads go.

[chunkypeanutbutter]

[3100 chevy]

I'd like to see a 26 t coupe

Edited May 20, 2015 by 3100 chevy

[Greg Myers]

Didn't you mean "Roadsters" ?

Edited May 20, 2015 by Greg Myers

[om617]

This looks pretty good.

[Greg Myers]

and we can go racin' too.

[Skip]

I would love to see a '26 / '27 T Coupe, Roadster or Roadster Pick Up a version of the model T that's long been missing. '28 / '29 Roadster or Coupe. Both in 1/25th Scale which would allow for parts interchangeability with the existing Model T and A kits. Thirties Mopars and Chevys would be nice to see as well. They could do some of the oddball stuff like Studebakers, Correct Henry J, Crosley, Jeeps which many hardcore modeler so might like to see, but probably wouldn't sell really well to the average casual modeler.

Bring on the Custom Car Parts and Parts Packs - Good way to release '26 / '27 T bodies, frames, Hot Rod Parts either '60's period correct or new stuff. The Parts Packs would be a great "Minimal Investment" project using minimal new tooling effort versus the effort to creat complete new kits. New Custom Car Parts / Parts Packs might even be a bigger return for their money too in relation to the investment.

[Ace-Garageguy]

I think the Parts Pack approach has merit...but it always amazes me how many car modelers these days don't seem to have any knowledge of what's already out there...for instance, the absolutely BRILLIANT Revell vintage engines, now out of production, but still available remarkably cheaply.

I'd like to know how the even more BRILLIANT AMT engine packs are doing...recently re-introduced. They are really some of the absolute best engines ever done for model cars.

The Revell non-engine vintage parts-packs are often going for silly money on epay, and I'm glad I stocked up before they began to climb. If they were re-released, I'd buy multiples of all of 'em.

A '26-'27T body shell would be, to me, a perfect trial run for a new parts-pack line. The '26-'27 body would be a natural on either Revell's bunch of available '32 frames, or the coming zeed '28-'29 frame too, adding to the appeal of those kits.

Edited May 21, 2015 by Ace-Garageguy

[Luc Janssens]

I think the Parts Pack approach has merit...but it always amazes me how many car modelers these days don't seem to have any knowledge of what's already out there...for instance, the absolutely BRILLIANT Revell vintage engines, now out of production, but still available remarkably cheaply.

I'd like to know how the even more BRILLIANT AMT engine packs are doing...recently re-introduced. They are really some of the absolute best engines ever done for model cars.

The Revell non-engine vintage parts-packs are often going for silly money on epay, and I'm glad I stocked up before they began to climb. If they were re-released, I'd buy multiples of all of 'em.

A '26-'27T body shell would be, to me, a perfect trial run for a new parts-pack line. The '26-'27 body would be a natural on either Revell's bunch of available '32 frames, or the coming zeed '28-'29 frame too, adding to the appeal of those kits.

The problem with parts packs is, that the packaging (materials, art-work and labor), shipping and distribution costs are (nearly) as much as for a standard kit

Thus bumping the price to roughly 2/3rd's of a standard model kit (retail)

IMHO model companies better offer, more "gazillion option" model kits, and via their instruction sheets and webpages, pin point where to find other kits, with great options to custom build, your model to suit your taste.

This MO is also likely the future due to licensing costs, this way you can spread the cost (every OEM wants their share) over more kits and when using the corporate website, as pro-active, in selling an idea (kit) instead of the virtual store front it now is , making people know, what to get where and what is possible, like a standard Lego building pack,which combined with other sets, will offer you a plethora of building options.

Just my 2 cents, but my mind is like a parachute ;^)

Edited May 23, 2015 by Luc Janssens

[Art Anderson]

The problem with parts packs is, that the packaging (materials, art-work and labor), shipping and distribution costs are (nearly) as much as for a standard kit

Thus bumping the price to roughly 2/3rd's of a standard model kit (retail)

IMHO model companies better offer, more "gazillion option" model kits, and via their instruction sheets and webpages, pin point where to find other kits, with great options to custom build you model to suit your taste.

This MO is also likely the future due to licensing costs, this way you can spread the cost (every OEM wants their share) over more kits and when using the corporate website, as pro-active, in selling an idea (kit) instead of the virtual store front it now is , people know what to get where and what is possible, like a standard Lego building pack,combined with other sets will offer you a plethora of building options.

Just my 2 cents, but my mind is like a parachute ;^)

Amen to that, Luc!

Art

[Greg Myers]

Like an engine pack kit with 4 or 5 engine kits in one box ? Or maybe a wheels and tire kit with a bunch of wheels and tires all in the same box ? How about the four motorcycle parts pack kits all in one box?

[Luc Janssens]

Like an engine pack kit with 4 or 5 engine kits in one box ? Or maybe a wheels and tire kit with a bunch of wheels and tires all in the same box ? How about the four motorcycle parts pack kits all in one box?

Sound like a great idea, but engines alone don't make a a finished car, so IMHO not very likely to happen.

The cycle idea has some merit, certainly when including a trailer, but still a very limited market, I think, otherwise Dave Burket would've done it already.....

Anyway, on a tooling level it would make sense to have every popular engine available together with the right options OEM and aftermarket, combined in one versatile small tool.

That way the manufacturer can connect that tool,like a sibling to a mother tool, which hold the main parts of a vehicle.

In the past we've seen the same engines designed and tooled over and over again for every car model kit which happened to have kind of engine.

A big waste of resources IMHO, but at that point in time, kits sold like crazy so intelligent cost cutting was not an issue.

Anyway, in the past I tried to start up a brain storm on future engine design (see link) but it only generated a few replies, I guess it's easier to complain to a manufacturer, then to help them by making the Model cars board the place to be to pickup ideas and profit form the knowledge of the participants.

If we as a community want to be kept seriously, we better work on our relation with model companies.

http://www.modelcarsmag.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=93598&hl=

My 2 cents.....

Edited May 23, 2015 by Luc Janssens

[Greg Myers]

maybe we should call him ?

[Luc Janssens]

maybe we should call him ?

Be my guest Greg, me I'm a bit riffraff of the phone bill

[Ace-Garageguy]

Sound like a great idea, but engines alone don't make a a finished car, so IMHO not very likely to happen. Must be why AMT has recently brought back the old beautifully tooled parts-pack engines from the '60s...knowing they couldn't possibly sell. (And they're probably the BEST 1/25 scale engines ever offered, anywhere.)

The cycle idea has some merit, certainly when including a trailer, but still a very limited market, I think, otherwise Dave Burket would've done it already.....

Anyway, on a tooling level it would make sense to have every popular engine available together with the right options OEM and aftermarket, combined in one versatile small tool.

That way the manufacturer can connect that tool,like a sibling to a mother tool, which hold the main parts of a vehicle.

In the past we've seen the same engines designed and tooled over and over again for every car model kit which happened to have kind of engine. A big waste of resources IMHO, but at that point in time, kits sold like crazy so intelligent cost cutting was not an issue. Hmmm...Revell used the same basic tooling for the Olds engine in the vintage SWC Willys, both Anglia and Thames panel, and at least one Roth car. They also used the parts-pack Hemi in the Miss Deal Stude, used the basic Buick nailhead tooling in the 4-engine Tommy Ivo Showboat, and the Pontiac parts pack basic tooling in the 4-engined Challenger One. The parts-pack 427 Ford engine tooling made a showing as a pair of 406 engines in the Roth Mysterion. I'm sure I'm forgetting something. Oh yeah...the parts-pack engines from Revell (whined about as being too "fiddly") included multiple build options for most of them, and were just short of AMT's engine-only kits in detail and scale fidelity.

And the most recent dumb engine tooling move I've seen from Revell had different tools for the IDENTICAL (in 1:1) 6.1 Hemi in the Magnum and Challenger kits...and only ONE of them is scaled correctly.

Anyway, in the past I tried to start up a brain storm on future engine design (see link) but it only generated a few replies, I guess it's easier to complain to a manufacturer, then to help them by making the Model cars board the place to be to pickup ideas and profit form the knowledge of the participants.

If we as a community want to be kept seriously, we better work on our relation with model companies.

http://www.modelcarsmag.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=93598&hl=

My 2 cents.....

Edited May 23, 2015 by Ace-Garageguy

[Ace-Garageguy]

Like an engine pack kit with 4 or 5 engine kits in one box ? Or maybe a wheels and tire kit with a bunch of wheels and tires all in the same box ? How about the four motorcycle parts pack kits all in one box?

[Skip]

Modeling typically follows the current trends with Hot Rods, Bikes, Customs, Racing - Drags, Roundy Round... Take a look around what are the current Hot Rodding Trends (just as a for instance), Wow the look a whole lot like what guys were running back in the '60's when many of the Revell Custom Car Parts and AMT Parts Paks or Packs were first issued. Then look at what's happening in the Custom Bike Scene, yep they are trying Retro Ideas again from the same time period. Then there's Nostalgia Drags where they are looking at that same time period. Then there is the resurgence of Vintage Circle Track and or Restoration of Vintage Circle Track Cars from forties through 60's to 70's. Anything old is selling for gold, just go to the next swap meet and you'll see that in five minutes!

Point is, Release as many of the original Parts Packs as possible. For as much as the Revell Custom Bikes sell for on eVilbay there is no doubt that those would sell. Have to agree with Ace, those Parts Engines were some of the best ever made, even those full chrome engines. Next time there is a Nailhead Buick or Hemi (there's one on right now) Revell Custom Car Parts engine on eBay watch what they sell for, if people are fighting for and paying $25 - $30 +/- for those there is little doubt that they would sell. Then there's the Dragmaster Dart and Kent Fuller (?) Dragster Frames which both go for silly dollars, if you're releasing those then there is the Dragster Parts, Hot Rod Parts, Wheels. Just using eBay sales as a gauge one can see which of the Parts Packs sell and which don't, like the Custom Grills and Weird Seats just to name a couple. There clearly is a market for those parts if guys are buying old brittle plastic originals for that kind of money, you think they might not pay a third or more of that for new plastic re-issues? I just bought a Revell Ivo Showboat for the Nailhead Buick engines alone off of eBay for less than a third of a single parts pack engine, (opened started kit with 4 untouched engines).

Cr@p I'd buy them in a plain cardboard box, who cares what the packaging looks like!! Look at the AMT Reissued Drag Slicks, how fancy was that packaging, they sold for $12+ in the Hobby Shops. The Packaging doesn't have to be amazing, just enough to securely contain the parts and that's about it. Most of these Re-Issues are selling on word of mouth or memory of the original parts alone. If the molds exist for these parts, then it just might be worth a few test runs to see what the demand is for them. If eBay sales are any indication, there will be a demand.