Well, this explains a lot...

[Ace-Garageguy]

Joe, I clicked your "Kafka" link. It's beyond belief...but I was very pleased to note that hypothetical "math situations" used ethnically inclusive names like Faiza and Roberto. Who needs to know how to add, as long as we ensure our ignorant graduates respect ethnic diversity.  

Please, everyone LOOK at what is going on here...

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/373840/ten-dumbest-common-core-problems-alec-torres

 

[CometMan]

) While I was reading it, I thought to myself that we were writing term papers like that in the 8th grade! I took Honors English/Lit in high school, and was writing 5+ page term papers in high school........... All with proper structure. This guy could barely eke out 5 paragraphs..............

I also had to write papers like that TJ. Also, if I handed in a paper, test, etc. and the teacher could not easily read what I had written, the answer was WRONG, no questions asked! Also, not too long I needed to make a quick calculation on something at work, I grabbed a scrap of paper and pen. It was amazing how many of my co-workers 1: looked at me as if I'd grown a second head, and 2: quickly shoved their smart phone with calculator app in my face! Being that I am in my late 40s I will most likely see the day when these people are running everything!

[aurfalien]

Wisdom is the ability to think and act using experience, knowledge, understanding, common sense and insight. Without any of the latter five, one cannot possess the former. There's no such thing as a wise man who knows or understands nothing..

Common Core is a curriculum straight out of Kafka. Einstein did all right with "old" arithmetic. So did Robert Goddard, Charles Ranlett Flint, Arno Allan Penzias and Richard Schwartz.

 

Well, I wasn't trying to imply that I'm a fan of the current school system.

Again, my point which seems to be lost, perhaps my fault, is simply there is an emphasis on knowing with little value on understanding.  I'm not implying one or the other is more inportant.  But rather that our thirst of knowledge is not being tempered with equal thirst for undertanding that knowledge.

It's like running a race without understanding what the finish line is.  Racing with no end rather.  Does this not make sense?

Sure I read and enjoy when my brain hurts so I'm not down on knowledge by any means.  I'm mearly trying to articulate this insanity we are seemingky in.

And in terms of being no such thing as a wise man who knows nothing.  Well that depends on what you mean by "knows"?  For example, I've known plenty of ppl without a higschool dimploma.  Yet they were very observant and wise to the shenanigans of humanity.  In fact one learned to speak English by mearly watching TV and interacting with us.  Yet she was pulled out of the 2nd grade for farm work.

For me, the current definiation of some one who knows stuff would preclude her from being in that group, yet she was very wise.  Little acumulated knowledge but lots of wisdom.

[Ace-Garageguy]

I needed to make a quick calculation on something at work, I grabbed a scrap of paper and pen. It was amazing how many of my co-workers 1: looked at me as if I'd grown a second head, and 2: quickly shoved their smart phone with calculator app in my face! Being that I am in my late 40s I will most likely see the day when these people are running everything!

I'm seeing it now. Here you go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ7EYsYEzjQ

[SfanGoch]

Welcome to George Orwell's world. Colleges and universities are no longer places where students are encouraged to freely discuss and debate ideas and voice their opinions. It's all about indoctrination and group think. Anyone who disagrees with the program is silenced by accusations of insensitivity, bigotry, racism and other such abuse. Freedom of speech and thought, in schools and elsewhere, are defended as long as what one says or thinks is in line with what is deemed politically correct. Otherwise, Sierra Tango Foxtrot Uniform and sit down.

[aurfalien]

So, if reading and math are the highest priorities on the Common Core list, why is the implementation failing to turn out masses of graduates who can write coherently, read at a better-than-sixth-grade level, and make change without looking at the computer prompt?

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2015/01/03/expert-most-us-college-freshmen-read-at-7th-grade-level/

http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2012/06/math_learning_software_and_other_technology_are_hurting_education_.html

http://disdblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/sheils_johnnycantwrite.pdf

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/why-johnny-cant-write-why-employers-are-mad-2D11577444

Well, I think this plays into my argument.  You see, this race were are in, to know things?  These things we know have brought us to the point of having powerful computational devices in the palms of our hands.

These devices allow us to easily reference information without earning that knowldege.  So, why learn to do any math when one can simply refernce it?  Why learn to write when one is simply living in a Twitter feed?

* The smartest ppl I know are lazy as hell.  They've thought of ways to get rich without doing much work so that they can work even less.

Well, what brought us to this point?  Our thurst for knowledge without any restraint on what that knowldge really means.

This is my point, in perhaps obtuse ways.  But its my thought all along.

What good is knowledge if it leads us to what we have now?  Am I so off base or lame?

Edited January 4, 2016 by aurfalien

[aurfalien]

There's a "subtle but grand Canyon-sized difference" between thinking and critical-thinking.

Actually, wouldn't it simply be "Grand Canyon" as I am referancing a place called as such?  All the text I've read references Grand Canyon and not "grand Canyon".

[Ace-Garageguy]

Sigh. 

[CometMan]

There is a fifth dimension, not only of sight and sound, but of mind...you guys know the rest!

[Ace-Garageguy]

Actually, wouldn't it simply be "Grand Canyon" as I am referancing a place called as such?  All the text I've read references Grand Canyon and not "grand Canyon".

Well dude, up to this point I've politely ignored all of your MULTIPLE syntax and spelling errors. You REALLY want to call me on a typo? 

Edited January 4, 2016 by Ace-Garageguy

[aurfalien]

Well dude, up to this point I've politely ignored all of your MULTIPLE syntax and spelling errors. You REALLY want to attack me on a typo?

 

[aurfalien]

There is a fifth dimension, not only of sight and sound, but of mind...you guys know the rest!

Theory suggests 10 in all, were the 10th is time.

[Ace-Garageguy]

Theory suggests 10 in all, were the 10th is time.

Oh...wouldn't it be "where"? All the references I've read use the word "where" to indicate a place. 

I'm not sure you quite know "were" you're going with this.

Edited January 4, 2016 by Ace-Garageguy

[SfanGoch]

Ty Po

[aurfalien]

Oh...wouldn't it be "where"? All the references I've read use the word "where" to indicate a place. 

I'm not sure you quite know "were" you're going with this.

Touché my friend, touché!

[aurfalien]

Ty Po

Actually it's Ty Po Kung Fu Panda;

 

[Ace-Garageguy]

We may be running afoul of ethnic-diversity-and-sensitivity training protocols here...

[CometMan]

Theory suggests 10 in all, were the 10th is time.

OK, I'll spell it out for those that missed it. There is a fifth dimension beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his KNOWLEDGE. This is the dimension of imagination.

[SfanGoch]

There is a fifth dimension, not only of sight and sound, but of mind...you guys know the rest!

Get off at BQE Exit 33 and make a left onto McGuinness Blvd. 

[Ace-Garageguy]

 Do-da-do-da-do-da-do-da. Hmmm...that doesn't sound quite right. Maybe it's do-da-do-da-do-da-do-da. Still not right. How about do-da-do-da-do-da-do-da. Yeah, that's it!

[Joe Handley]

Without accumulated knowledge, how would we know not to put our hand into a flame or not to step out in front of an oncoming car?

Isn't accumulated knowledge the very thing that allows us to function?

Be careful next time you drive through Geneva and/or St. Charles Harry, seems like way too many people haven't figured out the car part in those towns!

[aurfalien]

Wisdom is the ability to think and act using experience, knowledge, understanding, common sense and insight. Without any of the latter five, one cannot possess the former. There's no such thing as a wise man who knows or understands nothing..

 

Hi Joe,

I've been reading some TS Eliot regarding knowldge vs wisdom were as the 2 are considered distinct.  Curious if you or any one has any interest in having a discussion either online or offline as I find the topic interesting.

I won't mind if you wish to give it a rest either as we are all busy making a living, building models and generally living life to hopefully it's fullest, or not which is fine too.

Obviously this discussion will take place over a lengthy period of time, kind of like a good chess game.  At any rate, I did mention getting back to Harry but you actually posted the relation of knowledge in wisdom.

Ofcourse any one is very welcome to join.

PS Bill, I took note of your observation regarding my glaring grammatical and spelling errors of which I was a bit clueless about.  So you'll find this post correctly written from a mechanical sense.

Edited January 4, 2016 by aurfalien

[blunc]

well, I'm glad he fixed that, my brain hurt after reading one of his posts.

[Harry P.]

There is a fifth dimension, not only of sight and sound, but of mind...you guys know the rest!

I thought this was the Fifth Dimension...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjxSCAalsBE

[DaveM]

I thought this was the Fifth Dimension...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjxSCAalsBE

If they did a double billing with these guys, would they be the Eighth Dogmension?  

 

Thanks for posting that, Harry.  I always forget how good they were.  In honor of your name, I'm sticking with the "Hair" theme  here too!  (I think the Cowsills actually mention you in the song "Hair" as they keep talking about "Some Harry Guy"  )