Corvette C7R - Revell new tool

[Harry P.]

All this over rotors?

I think the rest of the kit has serious merit.

Forgot to add that it wouldn't take much effort for me to fix the brakes, and I'm a noob.

Some after market Brembo style brake sets from Hobby Design, Fujimi or Scale Motor Sports runs $14 shipped.

But you're missing the point.

Sure, the incorrect brake rotors can be replaced with aftermarket items. But a modeler shouldn't have to do that. A modeler shouldn't have to spend money on extra parts in order to correct mistakes that the kit manufacturer made. These kits are designed and engineered by professionals who are paid to get the details right. Obvious mistakes like lumps on brake rotors are inexcusable. Not impossible to fix by the builder. But inexcusable nonetheless.

[aurfalien]

Ok, I get it.

Interesting points.

So then how could this have passed both the design phase and several phases of QC?  Is Revel out sourcing there work flow?

[Harry P.]

 

So then how could this have passed both the design phase and several phases of QC? 

That is the question!

[martinfan5]

 

WHY is this considered acceptable? 

Look at most of the replies in this thread and the other thread for this kit and you will get your answer, because people support Revell no matter what, they could put a turd in a box and people would say its the best kit ever.  

[Daddyfink]

Look at most of the replies in this thread and the other thread for this kit and you will get your answer, because people support Revell no matter what, they could put a turd in a box and people would say its the best kit ever.  

It is not supporting Revell, it is buying the stuff they make because that is what we want. Even with oversights like rotors that no one can really see, there is no one else making this kit. So stop this false worship style of postings. 

As usual, you don't like it, don't buy it, Feel free to talk about it all you want, but don't be surprised when someone snaps back, like me. 

[martinfan5]

 

With all due respect to you, buying the the kits that you want, you are in fact supporting Revell, unless you buy them via third party.   I too was looking forward to this kit, and still want it, even with the brake rotor issues.   

Now on to a few things,  one, dont tell my to stop posting my opinion, I dont do that to you, so please show me the respect in return,  thanks

Please show me where I stated that I dont like the kit,  I dont like Revell screwing up something simple that a cave man could get it right.

There is NO excuse just because they are the only company making this kit, that its ok for them to screw something up, that is utter hog wash,  I expect a little bit more from them, they have clearly shown in the past that they are very capable of making good kits,  its time we see that Revell again.

 

Edited October 11, 2016 by martinfan5

[Daddyfink]

With all due respect to you, buying the the kits that you want, you are in fact supporting Revell, unless you buy them via third party.   I too was looking forward to this kit, and still want it, even with the brake rotor issues.   

Now on to a few things,  one, dont tell my to stop posting my opinion, I dont do that to you, so please show me the respect in return,  thanks

Please show me where I stated that I dont like the kit,  I dont like Revell screwing up something simple that a cave man could get it right.

There is NO excuse just because they are the only company making this kit, that its ok for them to screw something up, that is utter hog wash,  I expect a little bit more from them, they have clearly shown in the past that they are very capable of making good kits,  its time we see that Revell again.

 

I never said for you not to speak your mind or that you did not like the kit, obviously you don't, Read it again, 

You want to call it supporting Revell, fine, but don't make it sound like we are lemmings for buying it. Something so minor that can be corrected is fine with me. I have no fear of fixing a kit. Did they goof, yes, but is is worth calling them names for it? No. Lots of kit companies have made mistakes and fixed them, or not. 

I could see if the roof was caved in or the wheels where on top of the hood, but just because someone in a different country messed up on the drawings and someone did not catch it, I am not going to boycott if for something so small. It is not like am expecting Tamiya quality out of a $20 kit. 

 

 

[Daddyfink]

Yeah, real scary stuff. Forget it, I am taking this kit back as defective! 

[Rob Hall]

Ok, I get it.

Interesting points.

So then how could this have passed both the design phase and several phases of QC?  Is Revell out sourcing there work flow?

Same way the Mustang LX with the innacurate roof, the '67 Camaro with multiple problems, and many other seriously flawed kits got through to production in recent years..  Perhaps a mix of incompetence, indifference, ignorance, and the attitude that mediocre is 'good enough' for 'toys' ?....it certainly seems that Revell doesn't take their customers or product as seriously as the leaders in the hobby do.

As far as the C7R, the biggest issue IMO isn't the brakes, but that it's the wrong scale.  For an endurance series racing car, it should be 1/24th as it does compete at the international level of motorsport. 

Edited October 11, 2016 by Rob Hall

[aurfalien]

Well, either way I'm excited to have bought one.  Although I realize that the professionals are let down for the reasons you stated which seem very valid to me.

But as a noob, man this kit is hot!

I've realized that scale building is a very serious profession, something I loose track of due to how much fun I'm having.

And there are a lot of pros on this forum.

[Daddyfink]

Well, either way I'm excited to have bought one.  Although I realize that the professionals are let down for the reasons you stated which seem very valid to me.

But as a noob, man this kit is hot!

I've realized that scale building is a very serious profession, something I loose track of due to how much fun I'm having.

And there are a lot of pros on this forum.

Other than the Pro stuff, you are looking at all this in the proper light! It is a hobby and not profession, at least not for me, and I am not pro. I am model builder and I am going to enjoy building this and I hope you do as well! 

 

[martinfan5]

I never said for you not to speak your mind or that you did not like the kit, obviously you don't, Read it again, 

You want to call it supporting Revell, fine, but don't make it sound like we are lemmings for buying it. Something so minor that can be corrected is fine with me. I have no fear of fixing a kit. Did they goof, yes, but is is worth calling them names for it? No. Lots of kit companies have made mistakes and fixed them, or not. 

I could see if the roof was caved in or the wheels where on top of the hood, but just because someone in a different country messed up on the drawings and someone did not catch it, I am not going to boycott if for something so small. It is not like am expecting Tamiya quality out of a $20 kit. 

 

 

First, I was not implying anyone was a lemming for buying it,  I wanted to buy it too ( so I guess I am lemming too),   yes its minor , but its something that is a head scratcher and its kind of shocking that it happened again,  this is not the first time that Revell has reversed modeled kit parts on their current kits.    You are right, there are no perfect kits.   Far as I am aware, I did not call them names, that is childish and silly.

 I am pretty darn sure I never implied that I think people should boycott the kit, again, that is just silly too,  but people do boycott kits for silly reasons, like curbisde kits because no engine detail.   If you are happy with the kit, that is great, I hope you enjoy building it, and I am still planning on getting this kit too, but the whole point of a kit review is to point out the good and the bad, and when doing that on a forum, people may comment about the bad.  Sure, my comment would of gone over better if I worded it differently,  I was expressing my dissatisfaction of the error that they made.

 

Edited October 11, 2016 by martinfan5

[martinfan5]

Well, either way I'm excited to have bought one.  Although I realize that the professionals are let down for the reasons you stated which seem very valid to me.

But as a noob, man this kit is hot!

I've realized that scale building is a very serious profession, something I loose track of due to how much fun I'm having.

And there are a lot of pros on this forum.

I love building models, I have a blast ,  and believe you me, I am nothing close of being a professional ,   enjoying building the kit

Edited October 11, 2016 by martinfan5

[highway]

I just find it funny that when it comes to a Revell goof up, that those brake rotors clearly look like to me, nobody seems to care but when it comes to Japanese kits not having a engine everyone gets fired up. 

I guess it might just be that this kit does have an engine, regardless of the fact there is no transmission or running gear to attach it to the wheels! 

[magicmustang]

Yeah, real scary stuff. Forget it, I am taking this kit back as defective! 

That's why I read this forum. Alert members point out a kits mistakes so they can be corrected before assembly. It took me maybe ten minutes to sand off the bumps and scribe in slots.

 

Edited October 12, 2016 by magicmustang

[Ace-Garageguy]

Other than the Pro stuff, you are looking at all this in the proper light! It is a hobby and not profession, at least not for me, and I am not pro. I am model builder and I am going to enjoy building this and I hope you do as well! 

But see, here's the thing.

For the folks who design and manufacture and sell the kits, it IS a profession.

And we're not talking getting the right number of rivets on the rotors either...just being able to tell the difference between an innie and an outie...which I believe most 5-year-olds can recognize.

That said, I'll buy the kit, eventually, and correct it.

But I shouldn't HAVE to correct it.

Somebody already got PAID to do it right. A "professional".  

 

[Daddyfink]

But see, here's the thing.

For the folks who design and manufacture and sell the kits, it IS a profession.

And we're not talking getting the right number of rivets on the rotors either...just being able to tell the difference between an innie and an outie...which I believe most 5-year-olds can recognize.

That said, I'll buy the kit, eventually, and correct it.

But I shouldn't HAVE to correct it.

Somebody already got PAID to do it right. A "professional".  

 

For cripes sake! I WAS TALKING ABOUT US BUILDERS!!!! 

 

[Ace-Garageguy]

For cripes sake! I WAS TALKING ABOUT US BUILDERS!!!! 

 

  I'm quite aware of that, sir.

And MY point is that we builders who are doing this stuff for fun (?) shouldn't have to re-do work that some "professional" got paid to do and couldn't be bothered to get right.  

I'll STILL buy the kit, but when the manufacturing "pros" are getting innies confused with outies, it kinda makes me wonder about the scale fidelity of the model in other areas that may not be so obvious.

It's scale fidelity that separates toys from "scale models". 

When I buy a "scale model" of a car, I don't think it's too much to ask that the parts reasonably represent functional parts in the real world, if that's what the kit designers intended to represent.

I've yet to see any brake rotors in the real world with bumps...and this has nothing to do with expecting Tamiya quality from a cheap snap kit.

But hey...I'm one of those unreasonable old PITAs who think that people who get paid to do something ought to do it right, and if there are several tiers of adults checking on the 'rightness' of a job of work, somebody ought to catch a whole lot of wrong outies and make them innies before it goes to production.

I know. Completely entirely unnecessarily harsh and potentially killing the hobby by having the audacity to criticize the kitmaker gods. We should all be ecstatic that anything shows up on the shelves to build, no matter how ill-proportioned or poorly scaled or just flat wrong.  

Edited October 11, 2016 by Ace-Garageguy

[Daddyfink]

  I'm quite aware of that, sir.

And MY point is that we builders who are doing this stuff for fun (?) shouldn't have to re-do work that some "professional" got paid to do and couldn't be bothered to get right.  

I'll STILL buy the kit, but when the manufacturing "pros" are getting innies confused with outies, it kinda makes me wonder about the scale fidelity of the model in other areas that may not be so obvious.

It's scale fidelity that separates toys from "scale models". 

When I buy a "scale model" of a car, I don't think it's too much to ask that the parts reasonably represent functional parts in the real world, if that's what the kit designers intended to represent.

I've yet to see any brake rotors in the real world with bumps...and this has nothing to do with expecting Tamiya quality from a cheap snap kit.

But hey...I'm one of those unreasonable old PITAs who think that people who get paid to do something ought to do it right, and if there are several tiers of adults checking on the 'rightness' of a job of work, somebody ought to catch a whole lot of wrong outies and make them innies before it goes to production.

I know. Completely entirely unnecessarily harsh and potentially killing the hobby by having the audacity to criticize the kitmaker gods. We should all be ecstatic that anything shows up on the shelves to build, no matter how ill-proportioned or poorly scaled or just flat wrong.  

Ok, here it goes, ready? I don't care, I don't. 

Only some of us model builder types care, the rest of the world does not give a flying leap at a rolling doughnut about this. And thus, I don't care either. 

I will maybe fix it, then build it, and then it will sit and collect dust, most likely placed in the box and someone, someday, will throw it away with the rest of my junk. 

Yes, they sell them in the toy aisle, not the "Super Cool Model Builders" section. 

And just in case, I don't care. 

 

 

[keyser]

It should be correct. Period. It took 0.62 seconds to find these giant photos just now.

Maybe a computer with a modem and a color screen would help designers? Google. Try it. 

Basic understanding of how a car works? NO. THOSE ARE NOT TINY LUGNUTS. 

Who looks at test shots, someone that drives a car with drums? 

WTF. 

 

[aurfalien]

It should be correct. Period. It took 0.62 seconds to find these giant photos just now.

Maybe a computer with a modem and a color screen would help designers? Google. Try it. 

Basic understanding of how a car works? NO. THOSE ARE NOT TINY LUGNUTS. 

Who looks at test shots, someone that drives a car with drums? 

WTF. 

 

Wow, those look coooool!

[Daddyfink]

Who ever cut the mold just turned the slots from innies to outties. It has happened before with other kits, some have been corrected and some have been just left alone and forgotten. 

Somewhere down the line it got lost in translation by someone who most likely has never seen a real Corvette, but then again, they do have all kinds of American cars in China now. Is this massive enough for Revell to fix, most likely not to them. If they fix it, good for them. If they don't, well, just expect more in the future. 

Maybe they should start treating rotors like their tires and leave the markings off. 

Oh well, I still bought it and will build it. Done. 

Edited October 13, 2016 by Daddyfink

[Ace-Garageguy]

Somewhere down the line it got lost in translation by someone who most likely has never seen a real Corvette, but then again, they do have all kinds of American cars in China now. 

Nope. By someone who has never seen a disc brake from the beginning of time on any vehicle anywhere, and has no idea of how one works.

Brake discs have never had bumps on them, in the USA, China or anywhere else, on cars, aircraft, tanks or snowmobiles. Not on bicycles or motorcycles. Not on lawn tractors. Not on trailers. Or go-carts. Or European cars. Or trains.

Sorry to keep beating this, but it's unbelievable that nobody in the whole chain seems to understand how a disc brake functions.

Pathetic.  

 

Edited October 13, 2016 by Ace-Garageguy

[Daddyfink]

Nope. By someone who has never seen a disc brake from the beginning of time on any vehicle anywhere, and has no idea of how one works.

Brake discs have never had bumps on them, in the USA, China or anywhere else, on cars, aircraft, tanks or snowmobiles. Not on bicycles or motorcycles. Not on lawn tractors. Not on trailers. Or go-carts. Or European cars. Or trains.

Sorry to keep beating this, but it's unbelievable that nobody in the whole chain seems to understand how a disc brake functions.

Pathetic.  

 

Beat it, beat it until you can not beat it anymore! Let it out! 

Hop on a bus, makes signs and occupy Revell HQ! No Accuracy, No Purchase! No Accuracy, No Purchase! 

Model Kit Accuracy Matters

 

 

[Ace-Garageguy]

Model Kit Accuracy Matters

Of course it doesn't matter.

This is perfectly acceptable as a Corvette too.      

 Palmer must have had the right idea all along.  

Edited October 14, 2016 by Ace-Garageguy