Revell Full Detail/Glue NASCAR Kits

[martinfan5]

Good news everyone,  Mikes Decals now has a digital dash decal sheet goodies sheet ready

http://www.mikesdecals.com/product_info.php?products_id=4741

And one other note I think is worth mentioning,  the chassis in this kit can be used to build the COT era cars, going back to 2007,  not sure how much work will be needed to use the resin COT bodies though.

[oldcarfan]

I lost interest in NASCAR years ago. At least the modern version. What I still love is old NASCAR. Since licensing seems to be the hold up in so many stories of coulda-been stock car kits, why can't a kit maker take some of the old chassis tools they still have available or better yet, tool up new chassis in the style of 60s, 70s and 80s racers. They could be used/modified to fit currently available street stock kits to build up vintage racers? They could do a chassis with a generic period correct roll cage, a seat, wheels/tires and all running gear except brand specific parts like engines. I know there are a lot of reasons why not, but still..

[High octane]

Yes, the figure is the same in all kits.

I thought that one of the drivers was a bit taller and heavier than the other, no?

[Rob Hall]

I thought that one of the drivers was a bit taller and heavier than the other, no?

In reality, yes.  But for the models they probably did a generic figure.

[iBorg]

These look much more like modern race cars than the last few attempts of snap cars. I do think there is a legitimate fear that they will overly saturate the market. While the temptation is to produce a different kit for every possible decal/race scheme, that leads to a lot of dead warehouse stock. Hopefully they'll do two Fords, two Chevys and one or two Toyotas and let the modelers who want different variants buy additional decals from decal vendors.

 

[martinfan5]

These look much more like modern race cars than the last few attempts of snap cars. I do think there is a legitimate fear that they will overly saturate the market. While the temptation is to produce a different kit for every possible decal/race scheme, that leads to a lot of dead warehouse stock. Hopefully they'll do two Fords, two Chevys and one or two Toyotas and let the modelers who want different variants buy additional decals from decal vendors.

 

The snap kits were basically toys , these are real grown up model kits,  lets not fool ourselves here, Revell is not going to be doing the same production numbers on these kits as they did on the previous NASCAR kits, so that will help with not saturating the market.

[Jhedir6]

These look much more like modern race cars than the last few attempts of snap cars. I do think there is a legitimate fear that they will overly saturate the market. While the temptation is to produce a different kit for every possible decal/race scheme, that leads to a lot of dead warehouse stock. Hopefully they'll do two Fords, two Chevys and one or two Toyotas and let the modelers who want different variants buy additional decals from decal vendors.

 

I hope they do a couple of each car as well but what I hope they do is offer up some blanks so the aftermarket guys can produce decals sheets. Without decals in the kit, they could lower the kit cost. But who knows. What makes sense to us, doesnt always make sense to companies.

[Brett Barrow]

I wish them well, I really do, but I just don't see it working this time.   I grew up in a NASCAR town (Martinsville, VA) and I cut my teeth building NASCAR kits, but I just don't see the enthusiasm there anymore.  Vintage or modern.  But all that really matters is whether or not Revell can sell them to Hobby Lobby & the other chain stores, which is why i doubt you'll ever see the blank kits again, no way big box stores would ever go for that. I doubt Mikes or anyone else has the clout to do a run of 3 - 5,000 for themselves if Revell would even let them.  Who knows, maybe I'm just isolated from it since I'm in the northeast now but I don't think that many people care about NASCAR anymore.   

[martinfan5]

I wish them well, I really do, but I just don't see it working this time.   I grew up in a NASCAR town (Martinsville, VA) and I cut my teeth building NASCAR kits, but I just don't see the enthusiasm there anymore.  Vintage or modern.  But all that really matters is whether or not Revell can sell them to Hobby Lobby & the other chain stores, which is why i doubt you'll ever see the blank kits again, no way big box stores would ever go for that. I doubt Mikes or anyone else has the clout to do a run of 3 - 5,000 for themselves if Revell would even let them.  Who knows, maybe I'm just isolated from it since I'm in the northeast now but I don't think that many people care about NASCAR anymore.   

Speaking of Mike's Decals, Revell did seem him a one the new Ford Bodies long before the flyer was put out so he could start working on the sizing for decals, so there is a least a bit of a relationship there with Revell, does that mean he do a run of blanks?, that is something beyond my pay grade to comment on.

Edited May 3, 2017 by martinfan5

[Fordboy1975]

Now all we need is some new 1960s-1970s NASCAR models (dodge daytona's, plymouth superbird's, Holman moody ford's, etc... of course already modified to the NASCAR specs and not just factory stock)

Edited May 4, 2017 by Fordboy1975

[Mikey56]

Have to add this about the tires and rims....I'll wait to see if the tires are taller and wider than what is currently run to get the proportions right...but the rims...teams have gotten to the point that they don't paint the rims unless it's part of the overall paint scheme of the car (2, 22, etc)....the rims are usually bought black from either aero race wheels (yellow trim ring) or bassett (red trim ring). Bart racing wheels also have some that have no trim ring color. one way to tell is the decal near the valve stem....bassett is an oblong shape while aero is an arrow....as far as knowing the difference, I have to say that I like the aero wheels better for latemodel and mini stock racing....plus they cost me a lot less when I bent a rim....must have spent at least $1000 on rims over the years I raced!!  and id love to see a superbird or Daytona decked out with today's chassis and motor combo....we'd be looking at 200 easy and without restricter plates....I figure well over 240....

 

Edited May 4, 2017 by Mikey56

[Edsel-Dan]

Remeber though

Back when the Daytona & Superbird were Raced, The teams

Got Factory Stcck (ie Showroom Ready) cars and added

the rollbars etc

I do not know if they used Custom Buillt chaasis for them even in the late 70's

I believe that came with the Downsizing from 115  inch wheelbase to 110 for the 1981 season

 

I Have seen A Richard Petty Superbird

I Do know the Body was NOT altered very much from original Factory Showroom Spec!!!

Yes it sat lower, but, Body parts would interchange with a Street version Unlike anything

Current, or the Early-Mid 80's at least.

 

Today, even the Brand Specific front clip off a nascar would NOT fit a Factory Showroom Stcck

version!!!

Give me back the REAL nascar!!!!

[horsepower]

This looks interesting! I'm more into Vintage Stock Cars, but when the Chevrolets are out I guess I'll pick up one. And if the prices drop like Tony said, I could probably buy a Ford as well somewhere in the future, but it's for sure that I'll see no Toyotas around here. NASCAR is an American sport so I'm not too crazy about seeing those "ricers" racing in there...

So you're not in favor of products that are totally designed and built entirely in the United States? There's absolutely no foreign designs or parts that aren't totally American.

[horsepower]

Have to add this about the tires and rims....I'll wait to see if the tires are taller and wider than what is currently run to get the proportions right...but the rims...teams have gotten to the point that they don't paint the rims unless it's part of the overall paint scheme of the car (2, 22, etc)....the rims are usually bought black from either aero race wheels (yellow trim ring) or bassett (red trim ring). Bart racing wheels also have some that have no trim ring color. one way to tell is the decal near the valve stem....bassett is an oblong shape while aero is an arrow....as far as knowing the difference, I have to say that I like the aero wheels better for latemodel and mini stock racing....plus they cost me a lot less when I bent a rim....must have spent at least $1000 on rims over the years I raced!!  and id love to see a superbird or Daytona decked out with today's chassis and motor combo....we'd be looking at 200 easy and without restricter plates....I figure well over 240....

 

 Just in case you're thinking that they'd be faster because of better aero. The newer cars are way better in that department. The newer cars are only held back by the engine restrictions, and in most cases the required gear ratios are a limiting factor.

[gtx6970]

I wish them well, I really do, but I just don't see it working this time.   I grew up in a NASCAR town (Martinsville, VA) and I cut my teeth building NASCAR kits, but I just don't see the enthusiasm there anymore.  Vintage or modern.  But all that really matters is whether or not Revell can sell them to Hobby Lobby & the other chain stores, which is why i doubt you'll ever see the blank kits again, no way big box stores would ever go for that. I doubt Mikes or anyone else has the clout to do a run of 3 - 5,000 for themselves if Revell would even let them.  Who knows, maybe I'm just isolated from it since I'm in the northeast now but I don't think that many people care about NASCAR anymore.   

Agreed,

I don't follow nascar at all. But good friends of mine ' USED TO ' but don't  anymore. Actually I don't know anyone who makes an effort  to watch races anymore.

 

I wish them well but my gut says loads of kits will  be at Ollies bargain mart in short order

 

  22 minutes ago, horsepower said:

 Just in case you're thinking that they'd be faster because of better aero. The newer cars are way better in that department. The newer cars are only held back by the engine restrictions, and in most cases the required gear ratios are a limiting factor.

I'd be curious to know how well a Hemi Superbird all decked out with today's technology  would fair against a modern NASCAR piece using the power-train of its generation

Edited May 4, 2017 by gtx6970

[horsepower]

Just as a measuring stick of sorts in the eighties Tim Richmond and Harry Hyde took a NASCAR legal non aero Monte Carlo to a magazine test against a 917 Porsche. Not only did it beat the Porsche, but without any tricks other than no restrictor plate turned in a top speed of 252 mph. They laughingly wondered what would it do with a qualifying set up and if they lowered it down like today's cars are allowed to do, and like the Porsche was done.

 

[Brett Barrow]

Agreed,

I don't follow nascar at all. But good friends of mine ' USED TO ' but don't  anymore. Actually I don't know anyone who makes an effort  to watch races anymore.

 

I wish them well but my gut says loads of kits will  be at Ollies bargain mart in short order

 

I'd be curious to know how well a Hemi Superbird all decked out with today's technology  would fair against a modern NASCAR piece using the power-train of its generation

Modern car would smoke it everywhere but the plate tracks.   And if you took the plates off it'd smoke it there, too.   Downforce and side stability are a big part of the equation that the Superbird doesn't have.  

[Brett Barrow]

I swear that story gets 1mph faster everytime it's posted somewhere.  It was 240 on a 7-mile proving ground track in Ohio against a 962 Porsche pre-restrictor plate era (1986).  They had to tape over the side windows and body seams, riveted plates over the headlights, and changed to a taller gear to get there.  NASCAR was keeping up with IndyCar speeds before restrictor plates so I think they'd probably be doing 240 today without them.  

http://sporttoday.org/9_79a2db408810029b_1.htm 

[gtx6970]

Modern car would smoke it everywhere but the plate tracks.   And if you took the plates off it'd smoke it there, too.   Downforce and side stability are a big part of the equation that the Superbird doesn't have.  

Is this using a stock bodied new Camry ( or whatever they are using today ) as an example or a body that doesn't resemble  ANY thing except the grille.

 

Modern cars dont use anything stock bodied  The Superbird had to use EVERYTHING stock .

 

If the new cars get to use modern body designs , allow the Bird to be updated to level the playing field so to speak.

With todays engine / power train advancements using a basic stock design Hemi long block.  Im not so sure it would ' smoke it'

[martinfan5]

 

If the new cars get to use modern body designs , allow the Bird to be updated to level the playing field so to speak.

 

Then that wouldnt be a fair comparison of old vs new , unless that is not what the point is.

What is/was the weight of the Superbird ?( in NASCAR trim)

[gtx6970]

Then that wouldnt be a fair comparison of old vs new , unless that is not what the point is.

What is/was the weight of the Superbird ?( in NASCAR trim) I have no idea, I dont follow Nascar , then or now

My original post  / thought  was if the bird was allowed the same variances /  changes the modern cars are of today. Basically using todays technologies on a old design / shape . In both chassis  / engine allowances / body mods

As an example.The Bird had to have the overall same shape  , glass angles , wheelbase ,  etc etc as it's stock counterpart right down to power train availability in street car form. It had to LOOK like something you could go in your dealer Monday morning and buy. (No slab sided English wheel / body hammer creations of today ) 

I think if they took the chains off so to speak, the bird would hold its own. It might still loose, but doubt it would get smoked .

 

 

I hope Im able to convey the thoughts  in my mind ,,,,, it sounds so much easier/ better than it looks in  print

Edited May 5, 2017 by gtx6970

[Brett Barrow]

Then that wouldnt be a fair comparison of old vs new , unless that is not what the point is.

What is/was the weight of the Superbird ?( in NASCAR trim)

I believe it was still 9.36 lbs per Cubic inch back then so 427 x 9.36 = 3,996lbs. 

my original post was if the bird was allowed the same variances/  changes the modern cars are of today. In both chassis  / engine allowances / body mods.

As an examole.The Bird had to have the same Glass angles. Body shape (No slab sided English wheel creations of today )  wheelbase  etc etc as it's stock counterpart right down to powertrain availability in street car form

 

No NASCAR car today resembles / simulates ANYTHING available  on a showroom floor today.  In either body shape or powertrain combination. 

Makes me wonder how the Bird would fair if allowed the same lack of limitations . 

That wasn't really a hinderance in those days as Detroit was just making street cars with the intention of using them in NASCAR. That's why the Superbird and Daytona and all the homologation special aero cars existed  in the first place. NASCAR clamped down on them before they got out of hand  

Everything done to NASCAR today is for the sake of parity for better TV racing with driver and fan safety factoring in as well. "Golden Age" NASCAR was boring as %#*@  Richard Petty won Martinsville in 1972 by 7 laps after dropping a cylinder halfway through. Ned Jarrett won Darlington one year by 14 laps and he was actually running 3rd before the 2 leaders blew up with about 40 laps to go. People read about the races in the newspaper on Monday or watched a edited version on Wide World of Sorts a month later. Not to mention a couple drivers died every year. It would never have made it on live TV. The 358 ci, common wheelbase cars of the late 70's made NASCAR a spectator sport. 

Edited May 5, 2017 by Brett Barrow

[ZTony8]

If anyone thinks that Daytonas and Superbirds used all stock parts on the race cars they need to take a good close look at them. Pay attention to the nose and fenders. There's a noticeable difference in the race parts from the street parts.

Edited May 5, 2017 by ZTony8

[Fordboy1975]

If anyone thinks that Daytonas and Superbirds used all stock parts on the race cars they need to take a good close look at them. Pay attention to the nose and fenders. There's a noticeable difference in the race parts from the street parts.

well, on some of them they had different parts, but most of them on the outsides were basically factory stock, other than fender trimming, and some teams even bondoed the nose and the fenders together.

[W-409]

So you're not in favor of products that are totally designed and built entirely in the United States? There's absolutely no foreign designs or parts that aren't totally American.

Yep I know those cars are the same technology no matter what make the body is. The thing is, even that Toyota logo scares me away, I grew up on a family that always had "real" American Cars (here in Finland) and my all cars are Chevrolets as well. I could never imagine having a Japanese car myself. European or Japanese cars just don't do it for me... Sorry, but even if it was built in the States, the Toyota logo just ruins it in my opinion.