garagepunk66 Posted February 7, 2019 Posted February 7, 2019 (edited) (Admins, please move to the Model Building Questions forum....sorry) I have been thinking a bit about finding one of the Modified Stocker kits and trying to reconstruct some wheel openings, mount it on the Revell 1966 GTO chassis, use the AMT 66 Rivera engine and try to fill in the missing pieces as I go. I have questions about the changes that might have been made to the front and rear to make it the Modified Stocker that would need to be addressed. I am assuming that the tail lights are MIA, correct? I have also noticed that the 66 Wildcat seems to include the 66 Skylark tail lamps for the Custom option. Since I don't currently have an original or the Stocker, any photos or insight would be appreciated (Calling Snake45) Edited February 7, 2019 by garagepunk66
disabled modeler Posted February 7, 2019 Posted February 7, 2019 Dan...sadly the molds to the original 66 has been modified to make the stocker with...I feel your pain I have a promo or Craftsman and a kit of the stock one nad cant find parts to repair/restore them with thanks to a tornado here in 2011. We once owned a 66 GS...great car. One might be able to make a stock or close one from the modified stocker kit if they can find the needed parts and repair the body but it wont be easy...I wish you much luck with the project.
Snake45 Posted February 7, 2019 Posted February 7, 2019 I feel your pain. It would be incredibly difficult to get the MS Skylark kit back to factory stock. It might be possible to get a custom or pieced-together "street machine" out of it. One huge problem is that there is a recessed lip around all the wheel openings, so you can't just fill in the cutout shape and then cut the new shapes out; you'd need to create that recessed lip somehow and that seems quite difficult to me. If doing a '60s-style custom, you could forget about that lip and just call it custom work. (I'm planning to do this very thing on one.) The Skylark has been reproed in resin by a couple vendors. The best was Modelhaus but of course they're gone now. Probably the best way to get a Skylark today would be to search for other resin vendors of the body, and watch eBay for rebuildable glue bombs. I picked a couple of them up that way.
Casey Posted February 7, 2019 Posted February 7, 2019 5 hours ago, garagepunk66 said: I have been thinking a bit about finding one of the Modified Stocker kits and trying to reconstruct some wheel openings, mount it on the Revell 1966 GTO chassis, use the AMT 66 Rivera engine and try to fill in the missing pieces as I go. I have questions about the changes that might have been made to the front and rear to make it the Modified Stocker that would need to be addressed. I am assuming that the tail lights are MIA, correct? This might help, too:
Daddy Mack Posted February 7, 2019 Posted February 7, 2019 The entire sides of the 1966 Buick Mod Stocker were recontoured when they ground away the mold steel to eliminate the engraved pinstripes, front fender ornaments, etc.
ChrisBcritter Posted February 7, 2019 Posted February 7, 2019 4 hours ago, disabled modeler said: I have a promo or Craftsman and a kit of the stock one and cant find parts to repair/restore them with thanks to a tornado here in 2011. Let's see a photo of what you have - maybe it would be enough to restore if you combined it with parts from the Modified Stocker.
OldTrucker Posted February 7, 2019 Posted February 7, 2019 Yeah, the body looks like it has been through a few too many races and had lots of rough body work done just to keep it race ready! A real shame they did this to so many great kits.
RichCostello Posted February 7, 2019 Posted February 7, 2019 8 hours ago, garagepunk66 said: (Admins, please move to the Model Building Questions forum....sorry) I have been thinking a bit about finding one of the Modified Stocker kits and trying to reconstruct some wheel openings, mount it on the Revell 1966 GTO chassis, use the AMT 66 Rivera engine and try to fill in the missing pieces as I go. I have questions about the changes that might have been made to the front and rear to make it the Modified Stocker that would need to be addressed. I am assuming that the tail lights are MIA, correct? I have also noticed that the 66 Wildcat seems to include the 66 Skylark tail lamps for the Custom option. Since I don't currently have an original or the Stocker, any photos or insight would be appreciated (Calling Snake45) Hey Dan. I have a complete body from the Buick mod stocker if you need one. I used the chassis and interior parts to do a 67 Chevelle stocker. If you would like to do a trade for it, let me know.
garagepunk66 Posted February 7, 2019 Author Posted February 7, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Casey said: This might help, too: I was thinking along those lines as well, a double layer approach with styrene stock. looking at this picture, round stock could possibly be used to make the wheel opening molding on the lower layer.. Edited February 7, 2019 by garagepunk66
Luc Janssens Posted February 7, 2019 Posted February 7, 2019 They could reverse engineer a completely new body by using a mint annual, the big question is, ROI.
garagepunk66 Posted February 7, 2019 Author Posted February 7, 2019 (edited) Fellas, lets not derail the thread with what-ifs about the tooling with Round2. I would really like to see some what's-in-the-box photos of the Modified Stocker and the annual if possible to develop a game plan for an on-the-workbench fix or series of fixes Edited February 7, 2019 by garagepunk66
stavanzer Posted February 7, 2019 Posted February 7, 2019 ROI? Negative Number in this case. It just does not(and probably never will) pencil out. The Buyers who want this kit are ageing out of the market, and the few younger buyers who might want this kit, are outnumbered by the younger buyers who want totally different subject matter. And All model companies (not just Round2) have to cater to the market that is growing, so they can grow also. Not to say that this is a Never Gonna Happen situation, just that those of us who pine for these kits, are not the market demographic that will make the ROI on re-tooling them work. All I can suggest is Win the Lotto. Then profitability will not be an issue.
Luc Janssens Posted February 7, 2019 Posted February 7, 2019 1 hour ago, garagepunk66 said: Fellas, lets not derail the thread with what-ifs about the tooling with Round2. I would really like to see some what's-in-the-box photos of the Modified Stocker and the annual if possible to develop a game plan for an on-the-workbench fix or series of fixes Oops! sorry 'bout that.
Daddy Mack Posted February 7, 2019 Posted February 7, 2019 2 hours ago, garagepunk66 said: Fellas, lets not derail the thread with what-ifs about the tooling with Round2. I would really like to see some what's-in-the-box photos of the Modified Stocker and the annual if possible to develop a game plan for an on-the-workbench fix or series of fixes I have the 1966 Gran Sport Annual, the Craftsman Kit, and the butchered 1966 Mod Stocker. If you have a fantasy about making a Mod Stocker into a stock 1966 Skylark Gran Sport, by all means, dig your heels in and show them how to do it. I'll lean back in the lawn chair with a bucket of popcorn and cheer you on
Snake45 Posted February 7, 2019 Posted February 7, 2019 46 minutes ago, Daddy Mack said: If you have a fantasy about making a Mod Stocker into a stock 1966 Skylark Gran Sport, by all means, dig your heels in and show them how to do it. I'll lean back in the lawn chair with a bucket of popcorn and cheer you on Sounds like a challenge! I can't get it all the way back to a factory stock GS, but I'm pretty sure I can get a Special-bodied street bomber out of it.
garagepunk66 Posted February 8, 2019 Author Posted February 8, 2019 4 hours ago, Daddy Mack said: I have the 1966 Gran Sport Annual, the Craftsman Kit, and the butchered 1966 Mod Stocker. If you have a fantasy about making a Mod Stocker into a stock 1966 Skylark Gran Sport, by all means, dig your heels in and show them how to do it. I'll lean back in the lawn chair with a bucket of popcorn and cheer you on I would be happy in making a day 2 base Skylark or even a Special out of it. There are lots of talented guys on here doing more involved things than what I am proposing. Did you see the Duel Valiant movie car thread? I am not saying I am working at that level but without reference material nothing happens. Maybe instead of popping corn you should take pictures of what you have and post them here
Daddy Mack Posted February 8, 2019 Posted February 8, 2019 I'm not fond of being the bad guy but I WILL DO IT! You CAN make then 1966 Buick Mod Stocker into a stock bodied 1966 Gran Sport. Is it worth 300 man-hours to do it? Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. I'll pass.............................................
disabled modeler Posted February 8, 2019 Posted February 8, 2019 19 hours ago, ChrisBcritter said: Let's see a photo of what you have - maybe it would be enough to restore if you combined it with parts from the Modified Stocker. Chris... I have them boxed up in a big box for storage at the moment had to after the storm here in 2011...my model room lost a few windows. My Craftsman/promo like one is molded in green plastic...the other a kit is molded in white. The green one needs..body and glass. The white kit one needs...glass,body,bumpers,taillights,wheels or covers...chassis is pretty rough. These are just a few from my dads old collection...sadly most of them suffered damage and lost parts in the storm and the list is huge.
Snake45 Posted February 8, 2019 Posted February 8, 2019 I took a look at the MS Skylark last night. The taillights have been replaced with "sheetmetal" covers, which could be painted red as custom lenses. The grille is mainly stock except for the removal of the GS emblem and covering the headlight buckets with more "sheetmetal." Pretty sure I can sili-clone the headlight buckets from a stock unit, grind out the "sheetmetal" and replace the headlights. Vent windows are missing on the body, an annoyance but not a huge deal. The body sides do feel thick, so DM might be right about the molds being ground back, but the basic shape's still there. As I said, biggest headache will be getting that recessed lip around all the wheel openings. Still, I don't think it would take anywhere near 300 hours to get the body back into shape. 30 hours, maybe. A lot less if I decide to forget about that recessed lip and just go with a standard-tip lip like a Chevelle. I'm thinking REAL HARD about getting into this....
Mark Posted February 8, 2019 Posted February 8, 2019 It's doable, not necessarily as 100% stock but would be passable as a "street" version, drag car, or as a custom using the leftovers from an annual kit. If I remember right, some of the custom parts are in the recent reissues (gates in the tooling were apparently opened up). I'm looking at reworking one into a '67 funny car body (I know it's available in resin, I just like doing these things myself). I've already restored the wheel openings on the '65 Olds body. I've got a '64 Galaxie roughed in, but might re-do that one to incorporate stock front fenders from a junk body I have "in stock". Often, when these revisions are done, the trim is wiped by grinding further into the tooling. That was done on the Boss Nova wagon body, on some trim that's way down on the rocker panels. I just scraped it flush again and sanded the area smooth. With the Modified Stocker bodies, you can block-sand the sides with a big sanding stick and knock the body sides down to where they were before the tool butchery.
ChrisBcritter Posted February 9, 2019 Posted February 9, 2019 11 hours ago, Mark said: I've already restored the wheel openings on the '65 Olds body. You deserve a medal.
disabled modeler Posted February 9, 2019 Posted February 9, 2019 7 hours ago, ChrisBcritter said: You deserve a medal. No doubt. I have the original 65 Olds too from my dads old collection...it needs a lot as well before I can restore her....tornadoes are not nice on plastics. Needs...body,hood,glass,taillights,wheel covers...bumpers got lost to it as well sadly.
ZTony8 Posted February 11, 2019 Posted February 11, 2019 AMT restored the '65 GTO and '69 Torino from their Mod Stocker versions( with varying success) so the Skylark and the Delta 88 COULD be done with a big effort on AMT's part.
garagepunk66 Posted February 11, 2019 Author Posted February 11, 2019 ZTony8, this thread concerns bench fixes to work the actual kit back toward stock, not speculation about Round2's ability or likelihood of restoring the tooling
garagepunk66 Posted February 11, 2019 Author Posted February 11, 2019 Still looking for what's-in-the-box comparison photos of the Modified Stocker and the annual kit guys
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