Next Generation NASCAR testing at Charlotte

[1930fordpickup]

Nascar has been a joke for years anymore. Sure I would watch a few races here and there over the last few years but have no desire to waste the whole day anymore.  BY reading this I just found out they still race F1.  

[wrenchr]

Been a way's from stock since the 70's, its just now zero connection to stock these days and also been that way for along time. That gap has been growing pretty much since the inception of the series. The Teams push the rules so the sanctioning body creates tighter rules to prevent that.     

[Hotrod 97]

As someone who just started following and watching NASCAR this year, I am looking forward to the next gen cars. Sounds like they’re taking a couple of pages from IMSA’s book. That’ll be interesting to see. The next-gen will debut for the 2022 season, not next year, correct?

[Force]

The thing I like the least with the next generation cars is that they are going away from the things that has been different with NASCAR Cup racing from all other racing series for all these years, and that they deviate even further from stock, these new generation cars will be a lot more like saloon cars from other racing series driven on paved/concrete tracks and what's so special about that and the uniqueness of the  NASCAR Cup series is lost.
I like it as it has been with the long pit stops due to the five lug wheels and one man handled hydraulic jack, the H-pattern gear boxes wich are harder to shift than sequential gear boxes, the use of older chassis and small brakes and wheels, not as much exotic materials and so on...kind of basic racing and it's nothing wrong with that.
The rules are the same for everybody so it really doesn't matter if the cars are more exotic or more basic for the racing to be good, and I don't think this new generation cars will result in more competitive and exciting racing than what we have had up to now.
It's not like the car manufacturers has benefitted much from NASCAR racing lately and will for sure not do with this new cars, and if you let the teams do more to the cars with more modern technology, go to larger wheels and brakes, add a lot of aero thingamagigs for downforce, use more exotic materials and special racing equipment, the racing will not automatically get better and more exciting because of that...no it will just make it a lot more expensive for the teams with lower fundíng to keep up or even to be able to participate in the Cup series and the gap will be even larger than it is today, and the cars will have faster average speed on the tracks even tho' NASCAR has tried to slow them down for many years due to safety reasons, so I don't really understand the need for this change other than some of the well funded multi car teams would like to go further in the development of the cars and pushed NASCAR to it...because I don't believe the fans has asked for it.
If you take a look at other series like the German DTM and the Brittish BTCC wich started with stock appearing cars like the BMW M3 and Mercedes 190E Cosworth, Audi A4, Volvo 850, Alfa Romeo 155,  Ford Sierra Cosworth and other cars wich you could buy a slightly more civilized version of at the dealer, after some years the rules were changed, most likely under pressure from some of the teams, and loosened up a lot so the cars in the DTM series ended up looking more like space ships on wheels and very far from what you can buy at the dealer, and it also got a lot more expensive so many of the factory teams left the series...not a good development in my book and the same has happened to several racing series in the past were some has died completely due to lack of competitors.
Even F1 is going back a few steps in air flow technology and the next year cars will have less downforce as the floor will be changed to a smaller one, and the next generation F1 cars from 2022 will change even more where they take away most all of the air directing thingamagigs and the cars will make downforce in other ways wich isn't so sensitive to "dirty air", this is so it will be easier to follow a car close without loosing grip and make overtaking easier and they can get rid of the DRS (Drag Reduction System) when they open the rear wing to make overtaking possible with the cars they have today.

Edited November 28, 2020 by Force

[Joe Handley]

I don’t get the argument that it’s deviating  from “stock” when no stock car has TBI any more let alone a carb,  no stock car has a 4speed auto let alone manual any more, GM stopped using that rear suspension design in their trucks before I was born 44 years ago and most vehicles outside of some economy FWD cars or most pickups have moved away from a solid rear axle, lots of cars use composite materials and have for much of my life,  most vehicles have some form of aero tuning, be it for downforce or mileage as well as wind noise, outside of basic trucks, it’s rare to find a new vehicle with as much sidewall as NASCAR or F1 use and unless it’s some tiny, lightweight economy car, it’s hard to fine a new vehicle with 15” rims, let alone 13”.

Edited November 28, 2020 by Joe Handley

[Fat Brian]

My main problem with NASCAR has never been the car, it's their stupid fake "playoff" system that ruins the sport. When they went to only valuing winning everyone just started riding around until the last few laps and it's boring. Back when you could win the championship by leading laps finishing consistently the races were more watchable lap to lap.

[Joe Handley]

10 minutes ago, Fat Brian said:

My main problem with NASCAR has never been the car, it's their stupid fake "playoff" system that ruins the sport. When they went to only valuing winning everyone just started riding around until the last few laps and it's boring. Back when you could win the championship by leading laps finishing consistently the races were more watchable lap to lap.

Now this I can agree with!

[Force]

On 11/28/2020 at 7:20 PM, Joe Handley said:

no stock car has a 4speed auto let alone manual any more

Maybe in your country, where I live we have lots of cars with manual transmissions, not 4-speed but 5 or 6...but not many cars on the roads anywhere has sequential transmissions. 
And for the tall sidewalls and 15 inch wheels...the rim diameter restrict the size brakes you can use and with tall sidewalls the corner speeds gets lower as the tire sidewall flexes more...result, keeps the average speed down so it's safer.
And who says it's better with larger rims and lower profile tires, the ride is rougher as the sidewalls doesn't take up bumps as well as the taller profile tires do, the tires are more expensive and you get less miles out of them as most of them are softer rubber compounds, yes you can use larger brake discs inside a larger diameter rim, but you don't really need that on your daily driver at regular highway speeds around 60-65 mph...so it's mostly a design feature.

I don't know but if NASCAR continues like this we will have cars like the Australian V8 Super Cars on ovals, rovals and road courses in the future and I don't think I will follow that.

Edited November 29, 2020 by Force

[TransAmMike]

Was a big fan of NASCAR (would'nt miss a race on TV and went to Bristol and Talledega) but its been several years since I've seen a race.  The cars, the new generation of drivers, the rules just have no appeal any longer for me.  It's a farce.  RIP our families' favorite driver, Davey Allison.