My first airbrush,compressor,paint

[Yamakashi]

Hello everybody, so im new on this site, im new in this scale modelling world.so i started to check videos on youtube from other builders and i think i hooked up to this now,so i started to do some research what i need to start, after looking i found a paasche airbrush with 0.4needle, and a sil air compressor.its real important for me that the sound of the compressor is low as possible.i didnt bought it yet, i found one set complete with brush and compressor second hand.im living in an appartement, and there are people living left right above and below me so the compressor must have low db, second is now i see everybody is using a spray booth inside, with of course a fan to suck up all the spray. My question is what kind of paint should i use,acrylic or laquer, does the smell of laquer ruin my open booth and home? I have a small area inside my home where i want to build a small spray booth but im stuck with the smell and danger of laquer, or should i build a small cabine with door in my spare bedroom with a booth inside it with a fan to suck all the air...of brushing.and about the paint part, so im stuck with primer, acrylic paint and clear coat, how does that workout?sorry if my questions are a little bit stupid but i like this hobby but dont know what to do and where to start. The paint question is killing me. One thing is for sure,i dont want to use spray cans.im stuck with primer with thinner, than acrylic paint,than clearcoat with thinner.and after that all the brands of paint like tamiya, vallejo  and zero paints, i think tamiya is a good start but not sure.there are sone hobby stores in my country,the netherlands, so want to vist for buying the starting things but before that i want to have some guidance what ti buy, where to start and understand the paint part.

can somebody please guide me with some info where to start.

 

Gr roberto

Edited December 10, 2020 by Yamakashi

[Miatatom]

Water based acrylics don't smell and are not flammable. Lacquer gives off a very strong odor  and is flammable.

Edited December 11, 2020 by Miatatom
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[Dave G.]

Stynylrez primer is your answer for primer if you can get it over there. It sets up quickly, respray within an hour or so and sticks about like most solvent primers. Just mix it up well in the bottle, ready to spray product. It's a poly acrylic primer, basically no odor. Vallejo primer is similar but more fussy, sprays well but less sandable and requires 24 hour cure time but it's an option if you can't find the Styn.

[vintagerpm]

13 hours ago, Miatatom said:

Acrylics don't smell and are not flammable. Lacquer gives off a very strong odor  and is flammable.

With all the acrylic lacquers now on the market, we really need to rename the paints we have been calling "acrylic". I believe "water-based" is a more apropriate  name.

[Dave G.]

I agree with Mike but you need to know the product. There is acrylic lacquer that is fully solvent paint like the automotive grade lacquers that the stink will about blow your head off. But then today there are hybrid lacquers, water friendly etc. Tamiya Acrylic is really a hybrid Acrylic/lacquer, alcohol based. Alcohol, water or lacquer thinner clean up. Weird stuff that produces an awesome finish in the right hands. I thin it with straight denatured alcohol, very low odor. Their X-22 clear acrylic is quite good too.

[Yamakashi]

Dave so basically if i start with tamiya paint i cant ho wrong,but one more thing, when i applied the color, how is the clear coat, on top of it.is that also from tamiya? And is this also thinner based? Because of the smell. Im going to build a paint booth myself so thats why im asking. I found a ventilation already.

[Dave G.]

40 minutes ago, Yamakashi said:

Dave so basically if i start with tamiya paint i cant ho wrong,but one more thing, when i applied the color, how is the clear coat, on top of it.is that also from tamiya? And is this also thinner based? Because of the smell. Im going to build a paint booth myself so thats why im asking. I found a ventilation already.

Tamiya gloss colors don't even really need clear coat. You can clear it if you want but the colors buff up like gloss lacquer anyway. You have a choice of thinners, Tamiya acrylic thinner, pure alcohol or lacquer thinner. But the X-22 clear I mentioned is Tamiya gloss clear: you need to thin it as you need to thin the paints as well. The clear will go over most paints to include their own colors. I also use Tamiya clear over craft paints or over Model Master acrylic paints fwiw.

[Rodent]

Weird question, but what about getting a compressor with a tank? Plug it in outside, let it run until it stops, then bring it inside and spray?

[vintagerpm]

3 hours ago, Dave G. said:

I agree with Mike but you need to know the product. There is acrylic lacquer that is fully solvent paint like the automotive grade lacquers that the stink will about blow your head off. But then today there are hybrid lacquers, water friendly etc. Tamiya Acrylic is really a hybrid Acrylic/lacquer, alcohol based. Alcohol, water or lacquer thinner clean up. Weird stuff that produces an awesome finish in the right hands. I thin it with straight denatured alcohol, very low odor. Their X-22 clear acrylic is quite good too.

Be very careful. Tamiya now makes acrylic lacquer for airbrushes. Still non-existant in North America (I believe), but they are coming. Do not confuse the two. The new bottled lacquer paint is the same as their TS line of spray paints.

[Dave G.]

23 minutes ago, vintagerpm said:

Be very careful. Tamiya now makes acrylic lacquer for airbrushes. Still non-existant in North America (I believe), but they are coming. Do not confuse the two. The new bottled lacquer paint is the same as their TS line of spray paints.

Ya I know. I doubt they will be designated X and XF though.

[NOBLNG]

1 hour ago, Dave G. said:

Ya I know. I doubt they will be designated X and XF though.

The water-based are all X or XF.  The laquers are all labeled LP. And the laquers have a pretty strong odour.

Edited December 11, 2020 by NOBLNG

[Yamakashi]

Dave,rodent,vintagerpm,noblng, thanks for the advices.im really glad im going somewhere because its all new for me.im also looking for an air compressor and airbrush.i found as advice from a guy second hand and it was a sil air compressor,he told me it wasa fine and quiet compressor,but sadly he sold it cause i was late in reacting,so now i understand paint,but looking forward to buy a compressor and brush.it has to be somewhat quiet cause i live in an appartement and noise has to be low,but the silent ones are expensive, so my hunt is for a compressor,any suggestions from you guys what to look for? Im based in the netherlands. Today i found a revell omega brand for 80 euros second hand but it has a 1ltr tank, dint know if i should buy it, and saw a hbm model also, check this one https://www.hbm-machines.com/producten/airbrush/airbrush-compressoren/hbm-as-189-a-airbrush-compressor?utm_source=google&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=surfaces-across-google&gclid=Cj0KCQiAzsz-BRCCARIsANotFgN2oxf3Seat-eDE7-FmXf4bMctrxwlfO3r47nTmKjGBKKOhjBER1hQaAiVMEALw_wcB

But not sure to buy it or not. Which one should i buy?any suggestions for an compressor and brush?

 

Edited December 11, 2020 by Yamakashi

[Dave G.]

Hopefully you are well supplied with Tamiya over there, here in the US the supply has diminished for whatever reason.

The Omega is quiet. The only real down side is it runs continuously and bleeds air when max pressure is reached vs shutting down. It uses basically a refrigerator compressor, so it's quiet minus the air bleed function. But even bleeding air it's only in the 40db range or so. And really that's about all I know about it except it too has a 1 liter tank. A tank is a good thing.  Others can take it from there.

 

[Yamakashi]

Alright now i like to give update where i am till now, if already bought an airbrus compressor and choose the tamiya paint to atart with.there are lots of color ootions, and also to use clear coat if i want. So i found also a flat clear version of tamiya so will test that out in the future.what i like to get help is with the primer. Is there also an airbrush version primer of tamiya. I found one with tamiya surface primer,dont know if this can be used?after searching i found out that the levelling thinner of mr hobby is great for combo with tamiya. Im stuck to know which primer to use. Found info on youtube that mr hobby surfacer 1500 could work but dont know if you guys also know this.can the tamiya flat clear also be used on the color coat? Hows the result of this? I understand that it wont be glossy because of the flat clear of course. So basically choosing primer is my next thing. Hope somebody can give me some more info or info where to find info on this topic in this forum.

Thanks

[NOBLNG]

I can’t help much with different primers. I pretty much always decant the Tamiya aerosol primers and spray them. Any of the Tamiya clears can be sprayed over the colour coat. I use XF-86 flat clear over gloss black to simulate a vinyl roof.

[NOBLNG]

Tamiya does make bottled primers, but these ones say to thin with lacquer thinner for spraying. Tamiya also makes an acrylic retarder which may help when spraying the acrylic paints.

Edited December 19, 2020 by NOBLNG