von Zipper Posted April 11, 2009 Posted April 11, 2009 I've read and collected Scale Auto Magazines long before Mr.Haught got there and hope to read them LONG after he's gone, as far as their online forum goes-you get what you pay for ! There is a "clique" over there, and if your not part of it you might as well save your time and effort and throw your model down the stairs your self ! Since when did the 13 to 16 year old "children" become so smart ? I'm always happy to see young people take an interest in our beloved hobby-but when they are rude and disrespectful to the older members who are the reason this hobby has survived in the first place, it's time to move on for me ! Last month I almost called Revell and told them to stop production of the 57 Chevy 150 Black Widow because so & so over on SA had already done it, bigger and better and faster than any one else ! I wish I had known about this forum a long time ago! Zipper
JTRACING Posted April 11, 2009 Posted April 11, 2009 (edited) not a big fan of there forum.. whats up with the 3 picture rule? but if I reply to my own thread with more pics its ok that makes no sense to me lol... I cant post a general lee build cause of the rebel flag. gimme a break. I see an article in scale auto mag just for building a general lee and a big ole rebel flag in there magazine lol! other wise as stated before if your not in the clique there you wont get much feedback, and if you do its never any constructive criticism that is helpful its always the same old good work remarks. I liked the old car modeler magazine, cant say much on SAE haven't bought one in like 6 years.. Edited April 11, 2009 by JTRACING
cruz Posted April 11, 2009 Posted April 11, 2009 I find it hard to believe that Kevin had never heard of the Scale Auto forum. With that said, I believe every forum is different but that fact doesn't make it bad. I belong to the Traks in scale forum, Bob, who is the main moderator is very strict about what you post in his forum, it has to be traditional or it gets the boot, this doesn't make him a bad guy, just a guy that has some guidelines that have to be followed in order to "ENJOY" the forum. You see guys, it's all about enjoyment and thanking God for having options to see different types of modelers and their work. I personally like it here more just like I like Gregg a lot more than Jim but I think both places and others are cool to visit. There are always going to be people that will criticize your work here and in other forums, to me that's an advantage, it pushes me to to better with my next build, we also have to remember that there are good people in other forums and that everyone has a different opinion, so you go ahead and check it out Kevin but most of all, just like when I go to my favorite Ice Cream joint, "ENJOY"!!!!!!!
JTRACING Posted April 11, 2009 Posted April 11, 2009 (edited) why can't you post more than 3 pics? because supposedly people who don't have the luxury of high speed internet services can't download those posts with more than 3 pics very quickly. the 3 pics rule is to make things more user friendly to everyone. why no General Lee Chargers? you can post the General Lee Chargers as long as you don't show the Rebel flag. why? because there are some who still view the Rebel or Confederate flag as a racist symbol. here again Kalmbach chooses to remain neutral and user friendly to everyone. not Jim Haught's decision, but a corporate one made by Kalmbach. Dave how come you can reply to your own topic on SAE with 3 more pics each time for infinity ending up with how ever many pics you want.. as long as each "reply" has only 3 pics lol how is this different then posting them all in your original post.?? makes no sense.. and how come they had an entire feature article in there mag about the General Lee and they showed the rebel flag on the roof it wasn't edited out..? again makes no sense lol not bashing them at all i look on there site and post once in a while just those 2 things seem weird to me Edited April 11, 2009 by JTRACING
chris coller Posted April 12, 2009 Posted April 12, 2009 I post on there from time to time. Prefer this board over the other though. This seems alot more user and community friendly. As far as the critiquing goes that's fine by me. I got tough skin so go ahead crituque away. I'm not the type of person to turn something like this into a pissing match due to the fact of it being trivial. Now what might chap my ass a bit is if someone comments on something and doesn't post anything the build. Fair is fair! As far as one forum to the other, my opinion is this board has better quality builders. Again my opinion and feel free to disagree. Also feel the folks on this board are more involved in what everyone builds as well. Even if you're not a big named builder. Which what I enjoy aswell. It's a crying shame that the hobby is in the shape it's in also. I started building models when I was seven or eight. Now at 32 after honing my skills and constistantly getting better the kit prices are getting out of hand. Hobbys are expensive which I do realize. But the biggest issue is and I say this about anything, don't mind paying the money as long as what I get in return what I paid for. Unfortunately a sign of the times. People want reduced prices on products and services and in return they usually get what they pay for. Just taking the last statement from the last 10 years being in the flooring busines as both an installer and a saleman. Bottom line is build for yourself and critisism is a part of life. Shouldn't let things like someone not approving of a model when there are more important things in life. Or take the negative and make it a positive and improve on the areas that were critisized in the first place. I personally don't like yes men but that's just me. Have fun and build for yourself. Sorry for rambling nonsense!
Jantrix Posted April 12, 2009 Posted April 12, 2009 I know what you mean about the little "clique of keyboard warriors" over at SAE forum...These guys sit around over there acting like their some sort of gatekeeper of whats worthy and not worthy. Theres definitely alot of immaturity over there. I gave the place a couple chances, and quickly moved on....To me, SAE forum is like a bad dining experience....spit the food out, and never go back. Not to ague with you J, but there are two sides to this. This forum is not well liked by many folks from that forum. I invited a builder to join us here at MCM and he replied, "No thanks. The MCM forum is by pro-builders, for pro-builders. All others politely and summarily ignored." He feels that the members here are not supportive of beginner and intermediate level builders after his posts/questions went ignored or unanswered. They see the members here as a "clique of keyboard warriors" as well. I spoke to a builder at a show that was of the same mindset. I do not agree with this, but it might show why the immaturity level is higher there. More younger/newer builders who feel more comfortable among others at the same skill/age level. Just food for thought.
Randytheroadrunner Posted April 12, 2009 Posted April 12, 2009 The site is full of banners like the Model Railroad forum is (Kalmbach) so if you don't have a lightning fast connection by the time the place loads I forgot what I was going to say there.
von Zipper Posted April 12, 2009 Posted April 12, 2009 I try to find some thing good in every thing, The good thing about Scale Auto forum is it got me to join up over here ! I don't build armor or military models so I've never looked at a copy of Fine Scale by Kalbach Publishing Company , Do they allow ' swastikas ' on those builds ? Zipper
Jeff Johnston Posted April 12, 2009 Posted April 12, 2009 Yup, There was a good question and in all fairness was answered really well by italianhorses.com. The post was pulled for competing website violation. Please, all italianhorses is offering is good informaion. They are not selling anything they don't have a forum, I don't know how that could possibley be competing.. That was pretty much the last straw for me. If they wont allow good information and discussion on the forums they are completely useless. There is no balance or offerance of differening opinions, so all the information is one sided, and whoever is running the show over clearly doesn't have to strength to stand on his own merits so he stacks the deck. italianhorses.com is Alex Kustov's site....and he writes for them. I stopped going there a long time ago because if the know it all mentality. Brians model cars is the same way. The only time I Post on Brians Model cars is when I need a Ferrari question answered, because I know Alex is there, and I'll get the correct answer. It's not a great pleace in my opinion. The site, like the mag, pales in comparison to model cars mag.
evilone Posted April 12, 2009 Author Posted April 12, 2009 Ok so all in all i have 50% telling me to try it out and 50% telling me not to.Herm i hate this kind of thing(should go paint more LOL).Now i don't want to have you guys get it twisted i LOVE it here i have alot of good people to follow and alot of good people that follow my builds.When some one has a problem with someone else such as a guy i traded with a while back it gets takeen care of in a fast and orderly way(if not the big dogg comes in and opens up a can of whoop a$$ on both individuals J/K LOL).Plus i can drop a topic like what happened to me last weekend and not get it deleted.So now if the big dogg would post his idea in here that would be great.Im still gonna stay here but hay im an equal opportunity pain in the rear LOL so thats why i was thinking of checking the other forum out.
roadhawg Posted April 12, 2009 Posted April 12, 2009 By all means, go check it out! Theres lot of knowlegable people over there. Just follow the rules! lol! Oh, and btw....you can't use your avatar over there either!
evilone Posted April 12, 2009 Author Posted April 12, 2009 By all means, go check it out! Theres lot of knowlegable people over there. Just follow the rules! lol! Oh, and btw....you can't use your avatar over there either! I can't rep my fav band.Holy hell screw that. BTW SLIPKNOT RULES LOL.
george 53 Posted April 12, 2009 Posted April 12, 2009 Ha Grassopper,sometimes the grass is NOT always greener in another pasture! Stay here where you AND your avitar are considered family!
Aaronw Posted April 13, 2009 Posted April 13, 2009 (edited) I try to find some thing good in every thing, The good thing about Scale Auto forum is it got me to join up over here ! I don't build armor or military models so I've never looked at a copy of Fine Scale by Kalbach Publishing Company , Do they allow ' swastikas ' on those builds ? Zipper FSM is nothing like SA, so no one can blame Kalmbach. FSM is a much more forgiving less judgmental site, and yes you can post your builds even if they have swastikas. Nudity is the only time I've seen a "build" issue become an issue to the mods. Builds with nudity (nose art and figures primarily) are allowed as long as the photo is edited in strategic locations. Edited April 13, 2009 by Aaronw
Dingo Posted April 13, 2009 Posted April 13, 2009 SEA forum don't like the General Lee with the flag on the roof if U put it up they'll remove it, other than that they're OK haven't been on it for awhile now too many other forums and can't cope with them and my sick wife. Dingo
Harry P. Posted April 13, 2009 Posted April 13, 2009 I've found the various opinions you guys have about the SA site to be pretty interesting. Here's my take, as honest and unbiased as I can be, based on my experiences there as an active member for 5 years, with around 7,000 posts total, before giving up and coming here: Their site seems to be populated more by beginners and kids. Now, there's absolutely nothing wrong with beginners and kids, that's who's keeping the hobby alive. But you'll generally see less advanced builders and models there, and more basic sort of stuff, both in terms of models posted and questions asked. That's not to say that there aren't some pretty talented people there... there are, and in fact a lot of the guys here also post there regularly. But the ratio of beginners and kids to advanced/experienced modelers is about 75%/25%. Second, they run a very tight ship. No avatars allowed, absolutely no mentioning other sites or forums, and absolutely nothing "off topic". You won't ever see a thread about pets or getting laid off or anything like that there. Any posts that are the least bit off topic are deleted immediately (or as soon as an admin sees it). If you don't mind some very specific and strictly enforced rules, you'll be fine... but if you like things a little loose and laid back, they are not the place for you. Third... no ROM! Fourth: Three photos per post maximum, and they DO enforce this by deleting any photos over three in you post. However, you can post three photos, then post three more in a second post, then post three more in a third post, etc., which seems to make the three photos per post rule a little strange... Their site has a different vibe than this one, that's for sure. I'm not saying that it's worse, just different. They are a corporation-run site, we are a Gregg-run site. The only way to see whether or not you'd like it there is to give it a try. But I'd be willing to bet that most people who have gotten used to how we run things here wouldn't like how things are done over there. Try it, judge for yourself. We'll see you back here...
evilone Posted April 13, 2009 Author Posted April 13, 2009 I've found the various opinions you guys have about the SA site to be pretty interesting. Here's my take, as honest and unbiased as I can be, based on my experiences there as an active member for 5 years, with around 7,000 posts total, before giving up and coming here: Their site seems to be populated more by beginners and kids. Now, there's absolutely nothing wrong with beginners and kids, that's who's keeping the hobby alive. But you'll generally see less advanced builders and models there, and more basic sort of stuff, both in terms of models posted and questions asked. That's not to say that there aren't some pretty talented people there... there are, and in fact a lot of the guys here also post there regularly. But the ratio of beginners and kids to advanced/experienced modelers is about 75%/25%. Second, they run a very tight ship. No avatars allowed, absolutely no mentioning other sites or forums, and absolutely nothing "off topic". You won't ever see a thread about pets or getting laid off or anything like that there. Any posts that are the least bit off topic are deleted immediately (or as soon as an admin sees it). If you don't mind some very specific and strictly enforced rules, you'll be fine... but if you like things a little loose and laid back, they are not the place for you. Third... no ROM! Fourth: Three photos per post maximum, and they DO enforce this by deleting any photos over three in you post. However, you can post three photos, then post three more in a second post, then post three more in a third post, etc., which seems to make the three photos per post rule a little strange... Their site has a different vibe than this one, that's for sure. I'm not saying that it's worse, just different. They are a corporation-run site, we are a Gregg-run site. The only way to see whether or not you'd like it there is to give it a try. But I'd be willing to bet that most people who have gotten used to how we run things here wouldn't like how things are done over there. Try it, judge for yourself. We'll see you back here... Ok to many rules. I HATE RULES LOL. They are ment to be broken and not obayed J/K LOL. Im staying here screw all them rules. Thanks for the help people.
Dingo Posted April 13, 2009 Posted April 13, 2009 Hey Kevin Y do U think I ended up here coz I was removed from SAE (got ot right this time) and the fact that they didn't like me saying wot I flet about some of the model that I thought where crappie as for beginners & kids nah not really it contains some models that I couldn't see kids doing nor beginners for that. Dingo
Gregg Posted April 13, 2009 Posted April 13, 2009 I'm wondering why this was brought up here in the first place. I sense ulterior motives. Or maybe wanting to stir up trouble. Why bring something up that is a no-nonsense request for confrontation? Granted, my first inclination was to delete this topic. But I let it go. It does make me wonder, why add fuel to the fire? Please, don't make me make decsions that you will not like. I am very lenient on many things, but this is pushing my buttons. And it makes me why this was brought up in the first place. I am closing this thread, and that's it.
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