Trade school enrollment is way up...

[Dave Van]

I have a grand daughter (14) going to welding school. Zero debt, good job....smart

[peteski]

5 hours ago, Ace-Garageguy said:

Apparently you didn't realize that what I wrote that you're responding to here is sarcasm. 

What can I say?

Nothing to say Bill. Your sarcasm went way over my head. I guess I am dumb enough not to tell when you're serious and when you are sarcastic.  No worries.

Looking at couple other responses to your post seems to show that I was not the only one who took it seriously.

Edited 11 hours ago by peteski

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7 hours ago, bobthehobbyguy said:

...One thing that most of the AI used to vocalize the text has a hard time distinguishing pronunciation by context. For example the word read which can be pronounced as red or Reed.  Which makes me skeptical of trusting AI to do something as important as medical diagnosis or any other critical diagnosis. 

Yup. And that should be a genuine concern for anyone pushing for rapid implementation of currently-available consumer-grade AI.

Anyone who's paying attention to AI-created art and voiceovers in particular will have noticed its lack of understanding of context.

Renderings of cars that are presented as real things-to-come, for example, often have exhaust pipes coming out from under the front bumper.

Something else that's troubling is that the folks putting this stuff on the web with immediately obvious flaws apparently do no editing.

If a content creator is so lazy or inept that he/she doesn't edit to get pronunciation right, or see to it that features of cars that go in the back ARE IN THE BACK, just directly posting whatever their AI vomits up, WHY would anyone believe that anything presented as "factual" has been thoroughly vetted and verified as true by someone who knows enough about a subject to discern mumbo-jumbo gibberish from reality?

In the same vein, AI-produced videos about automotive subjects presented as "historical" or "documentaries", or that delve into technical aspects of cars are often so rife with errors, omissions, exaggeration, misrepresentation, and outright lies as to be unwatchable by anyone who has a clue, but YooToob, Google/Alphabet's self-proclaimed defender against "misinformation", does very little even though the YT comment sections are full of gullible souls who take all the baloney as gospel.

Once again, hardly confidence-inspiring in Google's AI.

And of course, just ask Google's AI about it and it'll bury you in "reasons" piled high and deep.

To grossly oversimplify, consumer-grade AI generates its "answers" by statistically weighing the sources it looks at before assembling words into a plausible-sounding response, and if there happens to be significantly more wrong information in the data it analyzes than right information, it vomits up non-facts...because it has no clue as to what constitutes "right".

Just as "scientific consensus" is not necessarily correct (a whole lot of people agreeing that flawed data is right don't magically make it right), so AI presenting the answer that's statistically dominant as "true and correct" is misleading, if not downright dangerous.

AI researchers are well aware of the understanding-context issues and are working on it, but why not get this RIGHT before unleashing products that can potentially cause so much havoc?

https://research.ibm.com/blog/demystifying-in-context-learning-in-large-language-model

EDIT: Pose this question to AI and it will bury you in "reasons" that essentially mean "that's the way it's done, so go pound sand."

 

 

 

Edited 8 hours ago by Ace-Garageguy

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35 minutes ago, peteski said:

Nothing to say Bill. Your sarcasm went way over my head. I guess I am dumb enough not to tell when you're serious and when you are sarcastic.  No worries.

Looking at couple other responses to your post seems to show that I was not the only one who took it seriously.

I'm curious.

How could anyone think that this phrase was not sarcasm on my part: "...the gubmint, that vast bastion of technological expertise and genuine intellectual and moral superiority..." ?

Edited 10 hours ago by Ace-Garageguy
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[89AKurt]

For what my two cents is worth, I am a product of a Trade school.  But it's complicated.  Right after High School, entered a Tucson trade school, but when I told dad that I was helping to teach other students how to draw, he let me go to one in Phoenix.  Only one year, they had a second year that they tried to rope everyone in to.  Years later I was told to repay a student loan for the second year, which I did not attend, lucky I kept records, and come to find out the school was out of business.   After moving to Prescott, I attended the local college for an AA Degree in construction, so that is the complication for this subject.  They are experimenting with 3D printed houses, which is really just the walls.  I never ever had a problem paying back my meager student loans; what Universities charge is a bloody crime.

In the construction industry here, the lack of skilled trade workers is slim.  Try to find an Architect and/or Engineer to do anything in a reasonable time.  I could have kept working, but needed to get addicted to Prozac.   IMO, just because you have a computer doesn't mean you know how to design a good structure.  So now A.I. will do it for us, I can hardly wait /sarc off the charts/. 

[Dragline]

I can currently spot AI voice-overs. There will come a time when it will probably become impossible. Inflection is one of the things they are getting correct. But others are still quite way off. I watch a lot of 40K lore videos that run long. And the use of AI is prevalent in this arena. It has a service le quality, but also a comedic one. At least to me. I have a degree or two in English, so I tend to hear and see written words with a critical bent. It's innate within me at this point. Be that as it must, I still see AI as THE burgeoning field. And if I were a younger man I would seriously be involved as a career path.

[peteski]

2 hours ago, Ace-Garageguy said:

I'm curious.

How could anyone think that this phrase was not sarcasm on my part: "...the gubmint, that vast bastion of technological expertise and genuine intellectual and moral superiority..." ?

I guess I'm dumb and have some sort of undiagnosed mental deficiency. What can I say?  It makes sense now, but it didn't when I first read it.

[Ace-Garageguy]

1 hour ago, Dragline said:

...I still see AI as THE burgeoning field. And if I were a younger man I would seriously be involved as a career path.

Yup. If I were a younger man and won that big lottery on another thread, I'd put the Alan Parsons I Robot album on endless repeat and "a couple of men a thing I'd show".   

Edited 6 hours ago by Ace-Garageguy