Chuck Most Posted June 22, 2011 Posted June 22, 2011 Wow! I'm not even going to bother trying to build my Allison Matador once this one's done!
Chris in Berwyn Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 If the real Allison Matador was this well built it would have won every race it entered!!! Fantastic job!
David@MinidreamsInc. Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 Man John i wish i could be as great as a builder as you are sir ! I LOVE ALL THE DETAIL YOU HAVE DONE ! Just looking at this peice of art work i can hear it idling !
Rob McKee Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 I join the rest in the WOW!!! category. How do you do it?
Roadkill2525 Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 (edited) Outside of the facts that its nowhere near what the real Penske Matador was but is more of a reskinned modern era chassis its a nice build. The real Penske Matador Edited June 23, 2011 by M. Stoneman
whale392 Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 John, While I usually use your builds as a guideline, I must ask on this: What reference materials are you using for this? I mean; c'mon, a Wrangler sponsor decal on the driveshaft and the hoses, lines, and underhood detail going everywhere? John, you ARE better than this, your early era drag builds and your streamliner motorcycle LSR builds prove my words. Seats like that only exist in Fighter Jets (and I should know, 4 years Navy got me dang close to them, and even they aren't that cluttered with B.S.), NASCAR (or any serious road-race team) will route the wiring/plumbing for the most advantagious removal/install/minimal clutter possible, and sponsor decals where they WON'T be seen? C'mon John. Like I said, you are better than this. Detail for details sake may have WOW factor, but for those of us that KNOW better, it is a cheap attempt at best. 1
roadhawg Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 Hey, guys, if you go back to the beginning, John said this would be built HIS way, in the same paint scheme as the Bobby Allison Matador, and WOULD NOT BE accurate or correct. Now, if he said it would be an accurate replica of the real thing, well........ Trivia....did y'all know that when Roger Penske started running AMC Matadors in Nascar, they were the first cars to run disc brakes?
novadose71 Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 (edited) Question..... John, While I usually use your builds as a guideline, I must ask on this: What reference materials are you using for this? I mean; c'mon, a Wrangler sponsor decal on the driveshaft and the hoses, lines, and underhood detail going everywhere? John, you ARE better than this, your early era drag builds and your streamliner motorcycle LSR builds prove my words. Seats like that only exist in Fighter Jets (and I should know, 4 years Navy got me dang close to them, and even they aren't that cluttered with B.S.), NASCAR (or any serious road-race team) will route the wiring/plumbing for the most advantagious removal/install/minimal clutter possible, and sponsor decals where they WON'T be seen? C'mon John. Like I said, you are better than this. Detail for details sake may have WOW factor, but for those of us that KNOW better, it is a cheap attempt at best. Answer from his first post Hello.......some of you might know me as being crazy?.......but,this will be my first attempt at a Nascar build........I am always picking up kits for extra parts........this AMT Bobby Allison Matador kit is complete.......but,I am going to use some parts from the Earnhart kits.......to up date the Matador my way........the Matador will have the same paint scheme.......I like to build kits for myself...... in the end it may not be correct or accurate but.......it will be the way I like it........when I bought the Allison Matador the hood was glued to the body.......I opened up the hood and trunk and doors.......the doors are opened because I want to show detail into the interior.......I told you I was crazy .......hope you follow along .......I think I have some good ideas. Ha...Looks like Tommy beat me to it Edited June 23, 2011 by novadose71
cruz Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 (edited) I hate when some builders here (specially the good ones) take pictures of 1/1 cars, resize them to a smaller degree and take credit for all this amazing work. Shame on you John....... Oh... and by the way, are we supposed to believe you are as innocent as your avatar shows??? Edited June 23, 2011 by cruz
Harry P. Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 John, I have a question... and this is in no way meant as a criticism, I'm just curious. You use a lot of aftermarket stuff on your models, and I'm wondering if you have a ballpark figure on how much was spent on aftermarket parts on this model? I think it would be a way for people to get a better idea of the kind of dollar investment involved in a model like this.
John Teresi Posted June 23, 2011 Author Posted June 23, 2011 (edited) Harry.......thank`s for the question......I would have to say the after market parts are mostly " Pro Tech " : braided line , seat belt harness, detailing wire and nut and bolt ends is around $20.00 buck`s.........I do buy "Pro Tech" in bulk so I gave a ball park figure..........I scratch build alot of my stuff or modify thing`s.........paint and material .......I really don`t know...... cause I have a lot of paint and just odd`s and end`s everywhere for building stuff.....so this model has about $40.00 into it.........but,in reality......the reason I posted........ "This is a non- accurate Nascar" is because ,.......this model means nothing to me.......I was a gift from my mother......... that she found at a garage sale......I actually built it for her......I mean ,sure I thank my mom for thinking of me but,it is not what I really like to build..........now as for all the bullies ......I have said it before and I will say it again......." It is Mind over Matter "........" I Don`t Mind and you Don`t Matter"......this is my model and I will build it the way I want!.......I don`t care if it is accurate or not.......for my friends that don`t care about technical thing`s ......thank you for your kind comments..... I know I don`t answer each kind comment.....but,please know that I thank you so very much........it makes all the bullies diss-appear....,,,,, Edited June 23, 2011 by John Teresi
pharr7226 Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 John, thanks for sharing your very impressive skills with us again. I bet your Mom will love it. I was curious about dollar investment also. Thanks for asking the question Harry.
niteowl7710 Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 Harry.......thank`s for the question......I would have to say the after market parts are mostly " Pro Tech " : braided line , seat belt harness, detailing wire and nut and bolt ends is around $20.00 buck`s.........I do buy "Pro Tech" in bulk so I gave a ball park figure..........I scratch build alot of my stuff or modify thing`s.........paint and material .......I really don`t know...... cause I have a lot of paint and just odd`s and end`s everywhere for building stuff.....so this model has about $40.00 into it.........but,in reality......the reason I posted........ "This is a non- accurate Nascar" is because ,.......this model means nothing to me.......I was a gift from my mother......... that she found at a garage sale......I actually built it for her......I mean ,sure I thank my mom for thinking of me but,it is not what I really like to build..........now as for all the bullies ......I have said it before and I will say it again......." It is Mind over Matter "........" I Don`t Mind and you Don`t Matter"......this is my model and I will build it the way I want!.......I don`t care if it is accurate or not.......for my friends that don`t care about technical thing`s ......thank you for your kind comments..... I know I don`t answer each kind comment.....but,please know that I thank you so very much........it makes all the bullies diss-appear....,,,,, Alright let me see if I understand what you said in that veritable tsunami of ellipses. If anyone dares ask you why you do, or don't do something they're a bully? Now I have come to expect from following your builds on here that you don't feel it necessary to answer for yourself. Also as Mike stated above, you build the way you want and that's fantastic. But sir, I believe it to be a long way between someone who asks a question of a tactic or procedure you followed and them bashing and/or bullying you. If you want to have a braided line erupting from the top of your alternator, huzzah party at John's place. But if someone asks you about it we get a a re-enactment of the Wizard of Oz, where we have to talk to the guy at the door to get in and then are told to pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. You're thought of as a world class builder by many if not all the people here. You're dare I say famous, with builds in the magazines, and GSL Best of Show awards. Perhaps it's unfair for the unwashed to expect you to build everything to those standards, but a lot of people here would like to learn from you. The only way they can is if they "get inside your head" so to speak. Why is the driveshaft sponsored? "I dunno, I thought it looked good.", would be an answer. But instead we're shook off like fleas with overarching generalizations about "building for myself" and "Non-accurate this, that or the others". To boil it down what I got out of that was "Kiss my butt and lick my boot-heels and you're my friend, dare to question me and I will resort to throwing out tired cliches and call you names." I'll come out and say it, that's a crappy attitude to have. What did I learn from the world class modeler today? How to accept gushing meaningless praise and deflect criticism. I can see all sorts of ways to apply that in my life. 1
Harry P. Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 Harry.......thank`s for the question......I would have to say the after market parts are mostly " Pro Tech " : braided line , seat belt harness, detailing wire and nut and bolt ends is around $20.00 buck`s.........I do buy "Pro Tech" in bulk so I gave a ball park figure..........I scratch build alot of my stuff or modify thing`s.........paint and material .......I really don`t know...... cause I have a lot of paint and just odd`s and end`s everywhere for building stuff.....so this model has about $40.00 into it... Wow... that's a lot less than I thought. I was figuring a couple hundred bucks, easy. But like you say, you buy some of the aftermarket stuff in bulk and spread the cost among several models. Whatever the cost, it looks good. I'm amazed at how cleanly you can build, even the tiniest details are spotless. I won't comment on accuracy, because A: you already said this is sort of a "phantom," and B: What I know about NASCAR you can easily fit on the head of a pin and have room left over for several Lord's Prayers! But clean building, you have down pat. You must have really steady hands!
John Teresi Posted June 23, 2011 Author Posted June 23, 2011 Ok........I came off strong with my reply........ and I apologize........First off....... I am not a professional model builder.......I am sorry if I offended anyone.......in many way`s I am like a little kid.......I do like positive comment`s.......it makes me feel like fellow modelers like my work......I do make a lot of my own stuff and I know in the back of my mind that it is not correct.......and I know I will never be as good as any of the big name modelers...... but,it works for me.........and when I do get negative comment`s......I guess I don`t know how to handle it?.......a few people have suggested that I am some kind of model expert........and I will say on record......that I am not.......I just wish that I knew more about technical things.......but,I am like a loaded missile out of control wanting to build ,build,build,.......I have thousands of models not yet built........I am in a fantasy land just building away........so please ,if you will except my apology .......I would be most thankful.
Foxer Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 I say no apology is needed for the wondrous building adventures you take us through and accuracy is not everyone's goal in this hobby. Even when I'm building one of the cars I owned, they no longer exist for reference and if it feels good, I do it my way.
Harry P. Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 I say no apology is needed... I agree. In fact, based on several of the comments made on this thread, I'd say a couple of people owe John an apology. I'm just sayin'... 1
Jon Cole Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 (edited) I went back to the beginning, and checked it all out. I fail to see what all the commotion is about. The top quote would be: "I like to build kits for myself...... in the end it may not be correct or accurate but.......it will be the way I like it........" So why do a few ppl. here want to turn it into an issue? Also consider this... why should I, or most anyone else for that matter, agree to subject themselves to posting their work here? Especially in light that some ppl. cannot remember the first post; stating the builders wishes? No matter HOW John builds it, that is his choice. Second-guessing his choices is not right. Edited June 23, 2011 by Jon Cole
jjsipes Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 Can't we all just get along and build our models the way we see fit. I am blown away with the detail, be it correct or not, that someone puts into a model of this car. John looks unbelievable with all the detail. If people don't like what you are doing then, don't watch. I for one will continue watching all your builds.
Jon Cole Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 So, because it's "his build" he gets to build it "his way" - I get that. What I don't understand is why "my way" becomes a crutch to lean on when inaccuracies are pointed out? How does praising something over and over and over that is not accurate benefit anyone involved? If someone with less of a reputation for building quality were to have done this, would you feel the same way? I don't care if it's your 1st model or your 1000th build, when you throw fundamentals out the window, in my opinion, it's no longer worthy of the praise it receives. Probably has a lot to do with the word "reputation" being used (no matter who brings it up). John is easily a top notch builder, but in no way should that qualification be chained to him like an iron ball to his ankle. I take this build only on its own merits. This is not a dig at you, or anyone else. It's just my own op.
Harry P. Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 "Detail for details sake may have WOW factor, but for those of us that KNOW better, it is a cheap attempt at best." "To boil it down what I got out of that was "Kiss my butt and lick my boot-heels and you're my friend, dare to question me and I will resort to throwing out tired cliches and call you names." I'll come out and say it, that's a crappy attitude to have." "By the way, in my opinion, this project comes off as little more than an exercise in self-indulgence..." "So the only thing you care about is the praise you receive for building stuff "just for me"? I have more pride in my work than that - & I thought that you did also." "So - I get it now. I ask how General Mechanical things that I KNOW to be inaccurate will be handled & I'm called a Bully & told to basically go screw myself? Thank you for that." "it's almost like you went into both with this big "screw you" attitude" "so far you've just thrown accuracy and any hint of realism clean out the window in epic manner and are going for what, super show ridiculous bling?" Don't comments like this come off as a just a little hostile? Especially when you realize that John didn't do anything other than post photos of a "phantom" NASCAR racer that he plainly stated up front would not be an attempt to create a 100% accurate replica of any particular real car. The amount of jumping down the guy's throat that's gone on here seems to me to be way out of proportion to anything John actually said anywhere in his posts. That's not to say any of you were wrong to post your opinions. I just don't see where all of this hostility is coming from?
Nick Notarangelo Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 Momma Notarangelo once said "if you have nothing nice to say just shut up" Nice work John and it is a nice way of updating a rather old kit, You could model the seat alone and win a few trophys for the case.
Jon Cole Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 It IS hostile, x2. Ppl. need to show some class. Guy comes here; posts HIS build, HIS way, it's pathetic. If praise doesn't fit the post, then find a nicer way. Oh, also... I do NOT find any call-out from the board management to offer criticism. Nor is there any request for such from the op.
Harry P. Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 Oh, also... I do NOT find any call-out from the board management to offer criticism. Nor is there any request for such from the op. Jon, like Ken said in a previous post (and with which a agree 100%)... you post your work on a public forum, and it's fair game for comments from the public... pro and con. There is absolutely no problem with anyone "daring" to criticize John's work. I've even criticized his work myself! It's the level of apparent hostility being directed towards him that surprises me.
Nick Notarangelo Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 there is WAY too much of this "rainbows and ponies" mindset infecting this forum lately. Now that line had me spit soda out the nose,thanx
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