Rob Hall Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 No surprise here, I found the two “taxpayer” supported ads to be way too political for my taste. Chrysler’s ad was absolutely, without a doubt, a pitch for a second Obama term. And whatever respect that I had for Eastwood is shot. He is a smart guy, Hollywood savvy; he had to know what that ad represents. I am very disappointed in him. Hey Clint, go back to San Francisco and hang with Nancy a while more. The “half-time” reference was as clear a message as there is. We are in between the two terms….get it? The next day (yesterday), Obama was out there pitching that he has learned a lot in the last 3 years, and he was getting better at this job and he should get a second term. ( and that is based on the “jobless” report of last week…..interesting report, we had less workers looking for work….our government dropped over a million two hundred from the workforce so that the rate was driven down…..government accounting, as trustworthy as the politicians that run it). Great, he wants us to let learn more on the job…..I heard Neil Cavuto from Fox News and Fox Business saying that yesterday….I sent him an e mail telling him that I want to be an anchor on Fox Business and since I don’t have experience at that, I thought they could allow me to learn on the job….look, if they are willing to allow the President, in his own words, learn on the job, I should be able to get a gig on TV….seriously, what job is more important? I look forward to his response….right. I wouldn't believe anything from Faux News..that's just right-wing propaganda....
Guest Sickfish Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 See you guys already got it wrong... I said Rugby League, not Rugby Union or Aussie Rules... All 3 are different. Aussie Rules is known as AFL, Rugby League as NRL & Rugby is just plain old Rugby. AFL is chaos, even I don't get it ... Our version of NFL... Confusion. Union is boring as bat poop. Rugby League is a different kettle of fish... You-Tube it.. You'll see what I mean. Especially State Of Origin. As far as every move, play etc being thought out, planned, executed.... Aren't most games? Don't most professional sports teams have coaches, trainers etc?? NFL's problem is... Is its over thought, planned & coached... It's over the top in every way & that's why it's boring & confusing. I'm not trying to convert anyone Harry... Just uploading the facts. Can any one of your NFL players play your game without the costumes, without a break every 3-4sec, without quarter time breaks? Can they play for 40mins non-stop & just have a 10min break?? Sure NFL players are big... But are they fit?? Our players can tackle like machines, matter of fact, in S.O.O, the average tackle count by the big forwards are above 40 per player... Let's see an NFL player make more than 40 tackles per game ;-) Just as I won't get you guys to convert, you can't & won't get me to watch an NFL game, Superbowl or not. I'll watch the ads though ;-) Lol! By the way, how come no-ones got anything to reply about calling the winners World Champions?? Is that because no other country plays it... Except your neighbors, Canada? Can't really be called World Champs then huh? ;-) No-ones got anything to say about Chrysler not being an American owned company?? Cliff.
Lownslow Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 the minute i read fox in peters post i stopped reading, the ads were ok, GMs below the belt commercial was eh at best, even the green hell commercial made us laugh because they subconsciously stated that BMW makes a better car. saw the NSX before release definetly fuunny. this shouldve been a commercial
Darin Bastedo Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 Actually whether Clint knew or not it was a blatent pitch for a 2nd Obama term! I doubt it considering dirty harry voted for McCain last time out. But if that is how you interpreted it, then it must be the way you are leaning.
Harry P. Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 I doubt it considering dirty harry voted for McCain last time out. But if that is how you interpreted it, then it must be the way you are leaning. I agree... Clint Eastwood is about as independent a thinker as you're going to see among the Hollywood set. If he actually thought the Chrysler ad was nothing but a thinly-disguised Obama campaign spot, I seriously doubt he would have done it. You can read anything you want into the ad... there's more than one way to interpret it. But I would feel pretty safe betting that Clint is no Obama pitchman. BTW... he donated all the money he was paid for that spot to charity. Very classy.
Harry P. Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 By the way, how come no-ones got anything to reply about calling the winners World Champions?? Is that because no other country plays it... Except your neighbors, Canada? Can't really be called World Champs then huh? ;-) I'll give you that one, Cliff! You and I disagree on football vs. rugby, but I agree that calling the Superbowl a "world" championship when only one country is involved in this "world" championship is pretty lame. (No Canadian teams in our NFL... they have their own league, CFL, and their "Superbowl" is the Grey Cup. A few players have played in both the CFL and the NFL, but so far no crossover of teams). Same for our baseball "world series," only two countries (USA and Canada) have major league baseball teams. Not much of a "world" series. American/Canadian football is becoming more popluar abroad, though. Maybe not down under, but in England it has a fairly loyal following. In fact, the NFL plays one game per season in London at Wembley.
Jon Cole Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 Obama ad by Clint? Interesting, especially as Mr. Eastwood is a registered Republican. Spin it as you may.
Kit Basher Posted February 8, 2012 Posted February 8, 2012 Just to be contrary, something I excel at, I watched a fair amount of rugby when it was on, both regular and "sevens". I particularly liked the "sevens", non-stop action. I still don't quite understand it all, but if an old Vajanya redneck can learn to like it, there must be something to it.
Rob Hall Posted February 8, 2012 Posted February 8, 2012 (edited) Obama ad by Clint? Interesting, especially as Mr. Eastwood is a registered Republican. Spin it as you may. I'm a Democrat, a leftie, and I didn't see any political angle to the ad..thought it was a great ad with iconic Clint... Edited February 8, 2012 by Rob Hall
Guest Sickfish Posted February 8, 2012 Posted February 8, 2012 I'll give you that one, Cliff! You and I disagree on football vs. rugby, but I agree that calling the Superbowl a "world" championship when only one country is involved in this "world" championship is pretty lame. (No Canadian teams in our NFL... they have their own league, CFL, and their "Superbowl" is the Grey Cup. A few players have played in both the CFL and the NFL, but so far no crossover of teams). Same for our baseball "world series," only two countries (USA and Canada) have major league baseball teams. Not much of a "world" series. American/Canadian football is becoming more popluar abroad, though. Maybe not down under, but in England it has a fairly loyal following. In fact, the NFL plays one game per season in London at Wembley. Well we agree on that one Harry.... & you're right... No following for NFL down under mate... As far as the Poms are concerned, well they suck at most sports anyway... That's why we've alway's referred to them as whinging Poms! Hahaha! How's this for a hybrid game.... NRL Vs NFL 2 halves... 1st half NRL rules/play ... 17 players, no costumes, no breaks/T-outs every 3-4sec, 40mins balls-out bashing your way to the try-line, Only 4 substitutes can be used for the half. 2nd half NFL style... But no costumes & no 40+ players with def'/off' squads. No bringing on an Aussie to punt the ball over the goal post either ;-) You can have as many breaks/t-outs as you want... But the half only goe's for 40mins not 2hrs... Who you think's gunna win that game?? I KNOW who'll win & the winner's song won't be Yankee Doodle Dandy ;-) Lol! Cliffo.
Lownslow Posted February 8, 2012 Posted February 8, 2012 I'll give you that one, Cliff! You and I disagree on football vs. rugby, but I agree that calling the Superbowl a "world" championship when only one country is involved in this "world" championship is pretty lame. (No Canadian teams in our NFL... they have their own league, CFL, and their "Superbowl" is the Grey Cup. A few players have played in both the CFL and the NFL, but so far no crossover of teams). Same for our baseball "world series," only two countries (USA and Canada) have major league baseball teams. Not much of a "world" series. American/Canadian football is becoming more popluar abroad, though. Maybe not down under, but in England it has a fairly loyal following. In fact, the NFL plays one game per season in London at Wembley. they do the world baseball game once every few years where USA spends about a round or 2 before its eliminated
Joe Handley Posted February 8, 2012 Posted February 8, 2012 I'm a Democrat, a leftie, and I didn't see any political angle to the ad..thought it was a great ad with iconic Clint... It sounded pretty centered to me too, but I tend to lean to the left and have been leaning more and more since.'08.
Harry P. Posted February 8, 2012 Posted February 8, 2012 but I tend to lean to the left and have been leaning more and more since.'08. Careful so you don't fall over...
fumi Posted February 8, 2012 Posted February 8, 2012 I really failed to see any pro-Obama message in the Chrysler ad. I guess you can read any message in anything if you have an agenda. Nice, the Government is angry that Ford did not need to be owned by the Socialist regime in Washington so they get targeted. Ford was lucky they got their bank loans arranged just before the financial meltdown. They also received a 5.9 billion low cost government loan in 2009.
curt raitz Posted February 8, 2012 Posted February 8, 2012 my favorite was the boy peeing in the pool... favorite car commercial was the Fiat Abarth...had me leaning o'er to lick the foam off her chest as well!
Rob Hall Posted February 8, 2012 Posted February 8, 2012 The Kia ad was strange... the guys from Motley Crue look pretty rough these days. And what about the Chevy truck ad w/ the Manilow song? Takin' a swipe at Ford.. liked the Fiat ad also.
deja-view Posted February 8, 2012 Posted February 8, 2012 (edited) As a former marketing exec and professor I am always watching the comercials out of more than casual interest, and as decent as many of them were I must confess that the Fiat Abarth ad had me shoving my reading glasses up, moving my head forward, and completely engrossed from the very beginning to the very end. I noticed that on some replays of the ad on news channels they have left out the beginning. Maybe they just couldn't control themselves. The Fiat is certainly a curiosity right now, but I'd rather fantazise that she turned into a Ferrari, or Maserati. BUT, speaking of commercials, are any of you men offended by the torrent of ads showing the "man of the house" to be an unshaven, slovenly, brain-dead doofus who can't figure out where his butt is...much less solve a problem before his wife or girlfriend takes charge and fixes it? I, for one, am sick of the "just crawled out from under the bridge" look, and the whole "men are incapable clods/women can do everything perfectly" movement. It's more than advertising...it's a statement, and a sickening one at that. Edited February 8, 2012 by deja-view
Darin Bastedo Posted February 8, 2012 Posted February 8, 2012 (edited) BUT, speaking of commercials, are any of you men offended by the torrent of ads showing the "man of the house" to be an unshaven, slovenly, brain-dead doofus who can't figure out where his butt is...much less solve a problem before his wife or girlfriend takes charge and fixes it? I, for one, am sick of the "just crawled out from under the bridge" look, and the whole "men are incapable clods/women can do everything perfectly" movement. It's more than advertising...it's a statement, and a sickening one at that. I've noticed that it's harder to get a decent greeting card for your wife these days. They all seem to start out with; " I know I don't say I love often" "even though I don't show it, I (love you, appreciate you or fill in the blank)" or worse. I tell my wife at least 20 times a day how much I love her, and I show it daily with my actions. I have since the first day we've been together, and I'll do it until one of us draws our last breath. Just once I want to find a card, that says " I know that I tell you everyday how much you mean to me, I wanted to give you this card, so it will say it when I'm not there." or something to that effect. But all the bums out there who treat their wives like "the old ball & chain" make it tough for us real men to find a greeting card. Edited February 8, 2012 by Darin Bastedo
Harry P. Posted February 8, 2012 Posted February 8, 2012 Yeah, that whole "dopey unshaven guy who can't do anything right" line of advertising has always seemed odd to me. Superbowl ad update: Clint Eastwood has made an official statement regarding that "controversial" ad he did for Chrysler. Clint said (as most of us already knew) that he is not an Obama supporter, and that the ad was not meant to be some sort of pro-Obama spot, or even political at all. In fact, he opposed the auto bailouts! According to Clint, the ad was supposed to be just what it looks to be if you don't overanalyze and read things into it: a pro-America, "let's all work together and get this thing up and running again" theme. The "halftime" reference was obviously a football reference, not a reference to the "halftime" between Obama terms. And he donated every penny he was paid for the ad to charity. Classy guy.
Joe Handley Posted February 8, 2012 Posted February 8, 2012 That's exactly what I took of it Harry and whole heartedly agree with that message too.
Harry P. Posted February 8, 2012 Posted February 8, 2012 That's exactly what I took of it Harry and whole heartedly agree with that message too. Ditto times 2!
Peter Lombardo Posted February 8, 2012 Posted February 8, 2012 I am sorry and don’t mean to be overtly political about this, but I still respectfully disagree about that ad. Maybe old Dirty Harry meant well, but I have to ask, who wrote that ad? Who pushed and pulled people to make that kind of statement? On the surface it was a dark and moody ad at best. In the interview before the Superbowl, The President made the case for him getting a second term…he thinks he is doing a great job, and by his standards and stated beliefs, I guess he is happy with the results so far….but look around guys, are you better off today than you were before his taking office? The reference in the ad about “Half Time” is a blatant and overt reference to the period between tern one and his desire for a term two. Maybe I am crazy, maybe I look for the political noise in everything, but I can’t shake the feeling that “Good Old Chicago Politics” are at work here.
curt raitz Posted February 8, 2012 Posted February 8, 2012 If I'm not mistaken...wasn't it good ole "George W" that bailed the banks and car company's out? Not that I'm a big Obama supporter, but George didn't leave him much to play with...
Harry P. Posted February 8, 2012 Posted February 8, 2012 I am sorry and don’t mean to be overtly political about this, but I still respectfully disagree about that ad. Maybe old Dirty Harry meant well, but I have to ask, who wrote that ad? Who pushed and pulled people to make that kind of statement? On the surface it was a dark and moody ad at best. In the interview before the Superbowl, The President made the case for him getting a second term…he thinks he is doing a great job, and by his standards and stated beliefs, I guess he is happy with the results so far….but look around guys, are you better off today than you were before his taking office? The reference in the ad about “Half Time” is a blatant and overt reference to the period between tern one and his desire for a term two. Maybe I am crazy, maybe I look for the political noise in everything, but I can’t shake the feeling that “Good Old Chicago Politics” are at work here. I would take Clint Eastwood at his word when he says he was not making a political statement. Everyone knows that he is not an Obama supporter. And seeing as how he is on record as opposing the auto bailouts, it seems pretty clear that he was not making a pro-bailout statement. Now it may be true that the ad was intended by the writers to make a political statement, but if that was the case, Clint Eastwood obviously didn't see it that way or he would not have done it. Personally I didn't see anything overtly political in the ad. I think that saying the ad was an obvious reference to Obama is stretching it. At least I (and Clint!) didn't see it that way. and I'm a pretty savvy guy when it comes to politics. I follow it closely, I watch the talking heads, the debates, etc. On well, in any case, the ad has us all talking, and in that sense, at least, it was a very successful ad!
Modelmartin Posted February 8, 2012 Posted February 8, 2012 Super Bowl? Guess I missed it. I was working on models.
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