Foxer Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 well, better to see what could be coming and enjoy this thread! Here's a few 3D cars available although they are not intended to be run through a 3D printer .. yet! This technology will never replace the mass quantities of plastic that can pushed through a injection molding machine .. but , like the current resin industry, it will support the RARE bodies we all crave!
niteowl7710 Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 Well as absolutely riveting as it is to watch Pat throw up page after page of straw man replies to nearly every post here, back to the matter at hand. I've been playing around on the 3d02.com website and am I willing to pay $100 for some of these 3-D files if I had a way to print them...yup. Now of course there's the concept of scaling the file to print out a 1:24/25 scale object. It would also probably take work to print it out as an actual model kit in separate pieces rather than a 3-D printed promotional model. But the wide variety of vehicles out there is surprising, and I found the experience every bit as satisfying as browsing any other online marketplace.
sjordan2 Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 Well as absolutely riveting as it is to watch Pat throw up page after page of straw man replies to nearly every post here, back to the matter at hand. I've been playing around on the 3d02.com website and am I willing to pay $100 for some of these 3-D files if I had a way to print them...yup. Now of course there's the concept of scaling the file to print out a 1:24/25 scale object. It would also probably take work to print it out as an actual model kit in separate pieces rather than a 3-D printed promotional model. But the wide variety of vehicles out there is surprising, and I found the experience every bit as satisfying as browsing any other online marketplace. Maybe even more satisfying, since you can look at the subject online from every conceivable angle, and study every possible detail?
Harry P. Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 I've been playing around on the 3d02.com website and am I willing to pay $100 for some of these 3-D files if I had a way to print them...yup. Now of course there's the concept of scaling the file to print out a 1:24/25 scale object. It would also probably take work to print it out as an actual model kit in separate pieces rather than a 3-D printed promotional model. But the wide variety of vehicles out there is surprising, and I found the experience every bit as satisfying as browsing any other online marketplace. I think that printing out individual pieces vs. a "finished product" would just be a matter of how the electronic file was created. Sort of like a layered Photoshop file (all pieces separate) vs. a JPEG or TIFF, which is all one piece. Not a perfect analogy, but you get my point. And outputting the electronic file in any scale you want would also seem to be very easy... maybe as easy as typing in the scale you want to output, just like you can now scale an image before you print it. The possibilities here are very interesting, to say the least. And Pat... it's not "pie in the sky" Jetsons stuff... the technology exists. It's not a theory, it's here and it's being used in real-world applications right now, today. The only thing keeping it from the mass market is cost. It's just a matter of time before it gets to the price point where it can be sold as a mass-market product.
Danno Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 (edited) Some people still want their brand-new cars to have gravity feed fuel tanks, down-draft carburetors, points and condensors, and mechanical brakes, too. They must hook their computers up to their rotary desk phones with AOL, and have their morning Maxwell House from a percolator pot on top of their woodstoves. Yikes. Give it up. It's gonna happen ... sooner than later ... whether you want it or not. (In fact, actually, t's already happening.) Get on the bus or be under it ... or at least get out of the way and don't complain about what color the bus was. Edited October 17, 2012 by Danno
Ace-Garageguy Posted October 17, 2012 Author Posted October 17, 2012 Science fact, not science fiction..... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16907104
Rob Hall Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 Some people still want their brand-new cars to have gravity feed fuel tanks, down-draft carburetors, points and condensors, and mechanical brakes, too. They must hook their computers up to their rotary desk phones with AOL, and have their morning Maxwell House from a percolator pot on top of their woodstoves. In any Internet community like this, there are always a number of luddites...best to just ignore them.
MachinistMark Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 "I agree, actually it is flat" He said it, not me. Everybody knows the earth is banana shaped.
CadillacPat Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 (edited) The possibilities here are very interesting, to say the least. And Pat... it's not "pie in the sky" Jetsons stuff... the technology exists. Harry, We see that the Tech exists, to some degree, to some quality, but a home machine to print perfect Model Kits does not exist today. There does not exist today even a Million Dollar 3D Printer that is being used to produce specialty Model Kits. It's not a theory, it's here and it's being used in real-world applications right now, today. The only thing keeping it from the mass market is cost. Sure, real world applications, but nowhere near what the tech and machine would need to be for our purposes right now. It's just a matter of time before it gets to the price point where it can be sold as a mass-market product. Like everything that does not exist today but we would like for it to someday, it is a matter of time, that is something we can hope for. Let's fantasize for a second that tonight a $999 3D Printer becomes available online that will produce perfect Model Kits. Now let's also fantasize that all you have to do is "Set it and Forget it" just like Ron Popeil's Roasted Chicken Ovens. Ho w many Modelers are going to cough up for one? Maybe 5 across the country. Of course there would be other people sprinkled in there who would not be Modelers and might find some other use for the machines. Let's bring the machine price down to $500, now maybe 20 buyers (Modelers) across the country would pop for it. Let's splurge and say 1000 Modelers buy the machine tonight. A year goes by and how many of those Modelers do you think will have that machine in use or sitting under the desk collecting dust? With all those fantasy givens, maybe a few guys would use their machine but I bet the majority would be right back building easily and readily available kits from the store or their stash. Modelers and Diecast Customizers have wanted the ALPS Printers to be reproduced for our Decal purposes. But, Of all the guys who had one, even the ones who were refurbished and did work, many gave up fooling with them because of great differences in the quality of Decals that different operators and different machines produced. In the end a tiny tiny percentage of Modelers would pay for an expensive 3D Printer, even fewer would eventually continue to use it. The choice would be easy, pay a few grand for a 3D Printer knowing the tech will change for it every 3 months, or build out of readily available kits in your stash or from others. Harry I appreciate that you and a few others ahve treated this subject in an adult manner. Now I'll let the name caller and the buffoon tear the thread apart. I bet NiteOwl is throwing up right now. CadillacPat Edited October 17, 2012 by CadillacPat
sjordan2 Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 Everybody knows the earth is banana shaped. Actually, it's egg-shaped, but that's not the issue. How many people on this forum, most of whom represent typical builders who do little or no scratch building, are going to spring for a 3D printer in the next 20 years? I can't even afford an iPad, and my flip phone is too old for texting. I still think that 3D printing is going to be the province of pro and semi-pro vendors for a very long time, regardless of the rare modeler on this forum who can make it happen now. And it will take some expensive investments to print out anything larger than the usual 1/25 parts desired today - but there are major facilities that can make that happen with hugely expensive equipment. Certainly, it's going to happen eventually, but I don't see it as something the typical home builder will get into or use for a very long time - no more than getting into your own resin casting. It takes some pretty good smarts to do it, too, and I doubt we have many members who, just like me, are up to it.
Ace-Garageguy Posted October 17, 2012 Author Posted October 17, 2012 I am still just amazed .....no one, NO ONE, ever said the tech existed today, this minute to duplicate the quality of injection molded plastic, but that seems to be the harping and harping and harping focus of the negativity, and the actual issue of the thread and the reality of present-day applications of the technology is completely ignored. Quoting what was said earlier, "I agree, actually it is flat, but it's 25,000 miles in circumference. " Think about it. That explains a lot.
sjordan2 Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 I am still just amazed .....no one, NO ONE, ever said the tech existed today, this minute to duplicate the quality of injection molded plastic, but that seems to be the harping and harping and harping focus of the negativity, and the actual issue of the thread and the reality of present-day applications of the technology is completely ignored. Quoting what was said earlier, "I agree, actually it is flat, but it's 25,000 miles in circumference. " Think about it. That explains a lot. I think Harry and you have made an excellent case for the reality of what's available today, and I have made such a case going back a few years. Is it particularly accessible or useful to today's average home builder? Not yet.
CadillacPat Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 I am still just amazed .....no one, NO ONE, ever said the tech existed today, There you go, here is what Harry wrote,------------ And I don't doubt Harry, maybe you would like to call him names. Quote: the technology exists. It's not a theory, it's here and it's being used in real-world applications right now, today. You must be skipping some replies, you certainly did not ACE that one Ace. You might want to reread the entire thread. Maybe come back with the ability to discuss instead of berate, ACE CadillacPat
Ace-Garageguy Posted October 17, 2012 Author Posted October 17, 2012 Well, ya know, what can I say ? Kind of a pity about the appalling lack of reading comprehension among some members of society today, and the notion that taking a phrase out of context actually changes its meaning, when the original context is available to all to see. Nah, I won't say that. What possible good could come of it?
cobraman Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 This is not about models but I believe that in the last season of "Sons of Guns" they had a company make a bullpup rifle stock using this technology for Red Jacket .
Foxer Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 The possibilities here are very interesting, to say the least. And Pat... it's not "pie in the sky" Jetsons stuff... the technology exists. Harry, We see that the Tech exists, to some degree, to some quality, but a home machine to print perfect Model Kits does not exist today. There does not exist today even a Million Dollar 3D Printer that is being used to produce specialty Model Kits. Welcome to TDR Innovations It's not a theory, it's here and it's being used in real-world applications right now, today. The only thing keeping it from the mass market is cost. Sure, real world applications, but nowhere near what the tech and machine would need to be for our purposes right now. Welcome to TDR Innovations It's just a matter of time before it gets to the price point where it can be sold as a mass-market product. Like everything that does not exist today but we would like for it to someday, it is a matter of time, that is something we can hope for. Let's fantasize for a second that tonight a $999 3D Printer becomes available online that will produce perfect Model Kits. Now let's also fantasize that all you have to do is "Set it and Forget it" just like Ron Popeil's Roasted Chicken Ovens. Welcome to TDR Innovations
Harry P. Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 I see a day not that far off where a 3D printer is sitting on a modeler's bench right alongside his/her computer, and I see the day that model kits will be made that way and not the way they're made today. My reasoning is, like I said, the technology (while still prohibitively expensive for the average consumer) does exist. True, Pat, an actual 3D model kit output printer doesn't exist yet, but I would be shocked if the technology didn't eventually filter down to us. If architects can use the technology to make accurate 3D models, why couldn't it be adapted to create model kits? I see no reason why not. Of course, we have to remember that we're all speculating here.
niteowl7710 Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 I bet NiteOwl is throwing up right now. CadillacPat Umm nope Pat fraid not. Your entitled to have your "opinion" here, and we all are entitled to complete ignore it. I don't get why you're a bitter person, but it isn't going to affect me. Well, ya know, what can I say ? Kind of a pity about the appalling lack of reading comprehension among some members of society today, and the notion that taking a phrase out of context actually changes its meaning, when the original context is available to all to see. Nah, I won't say that. What possible good could come of it? Which is the exact basis of every counter-arguement Pat has ever posted on this forum. It's all straw man stuff...look at this definition of what a straw man argument is and tell me how it is at all in any way different to what Pat has posted throughout this thread (and pretty much any other one he decides is worth his bestowing us with his trolling... The straw man fallacy occurs in the following pattern of argument:Person 1 has position X.Person 2 disregards certain key points of X and instead presents the superficially similar position Y. The position Y is a distorted version of X and can be set up in several ways, including:Presenting a misrepresentation of the opponent's position.Quoting an opponent's words out of context — i.e. choosing quotations that misrepresent the opponent's actual intentions.Presenting someone who defends a position poorly as the defender, then refuting that person's arguments — thus giving the appearance that every upholder of that position (and thus the position itself) has been defeated.Inventing a fictitious persona with actions or beliefs which are then criticized, implying that the person represents a group of whom the speaker is critical.Oversimplifying an opponent's argument, then attacking this oversimplified version. [*]Person 2 attacks position Y, concluding that X is false/incorrect/flawed. This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because attacking a distorted version of a position fails to constitute an attack on the actual position. It would just be beneficial to just pretend he's not even talking when he post around here. You hear a bitter angry sounding noise? Me neither...
Harry P. Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 A lot of interesting stuff has been said in this thread, and everyone can go through it and read everyone's comments... but there's a little too much personal "stuff" going on here and I don't want to have to keep checking in and deleting or editing posts. So as the man behind the curtain who controls all the levers... I think I should lock this. I don't see a whole lot more positives coming out of this if I let it go on. Sorry guys, but that's the way I see it.
Lownslow Posted October 18, 2012 Posted October 18, 2012 Heres a really big shot of the tractor printed at almost full resolution the part can be made slightly smaller then with high build primer the lines go away. I do plan on buying this printer since i can use it on more than just model cars. http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/editors/files/92364/MakerBot_Replicator2_with_Tractor.jpg
martinfan5 Posted October 18, 2012 Posted October 18, 2012 To be honest, the tractor looks computer generated , I dont buy that its a real photograph
Austin T Posted October 18, 2012 Posted October 18, 2012 (edited) To be honest, the tractor looks computer generated , I dont buy that its a real photograph Maybe thats because it was created on a computer and then "Printed" out.I think it looks pretty good.On a side note do we have to use super glue for this stuff? Edited October 18, 2012 by Austin T
Lownslow Posted October 18, 2012 Posted October 18, 2012 Maybe thats because it was created on a computer and then "Printed" out.I think it looks pretty good.On a side note do we have to use super glue for this stuff? yes, the stuff i had gotten made before is a resin grade type material in not. the stuff theyre talking about is PLA which i think is what solo cups are made with in which case would fry at the sight of solvents.ill probably prep it the same way i prepped my prototype which is a dip in future then primer.
Lownslow Posted October 18, 2012 Posted October 18, 2012 (edited) To be honest, the tractor looks computer generated , I dont buy that its a real photograph super high res model in this video aka model grade part @ 1:22 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3o6pcbhylmQ Edited October 18, 2012 by Lownslow
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