I don't get it!

[Eshaver]

I really...REALLY, wish I had an answer for you Harry. I just don't get it either. Maybe it has to do with the same lazy, non scrolling characters.

What you should really be asking is "are the people named "White" taking over?

YEP !

[Ace-Garageguy]

Why do so many of you guys keep on posting modeling questions in the Tips section?

I have to move questions out of the Tips, Tricks and Tutorial section constantly. Is there some way that I can explain to you people that a question belongs in the questions section? That a question is not a tip? Someone tell me how to make this clear to people, because I'm really getting tired of moving posts every day.

This isn't rocket science, guys. Why do so many of you not understand?

Back to the original question. Maybe because the violators, like a LOT of people, don't bother to read and understand the headings (Q&A is OBVIOUSLY very DIFFICULT to understand, as it's NOT a common abbreviation ), and they'd rather argue about how YOU made up incorrect topic headings than simply put things in the right place. I guess it follows that ALL car instrument panels should be identical, so no one has to pay attention to what each control actually does.

Remember Harry, people on the whole DON'T read instructions. Really. You'd kinda think modelers would, what with all of those instruction-looking things that come in the boxes, but whenever I buy another batch of gluebombs, I'm reminded that the second thing a lot of folks do after opening the box is throw the instructions away.

And how many times has the OP in a thread described, in detail, which kit he started with, what scale, listed the parts sources and materials, etc., only to be asked the same questions over and over later in the body of the thread? Same thing. A lot of folks just don't bother to read, period.

Edited April 26, 2013 by Ace-Garageguy

[cobraman]

I myself have no problems with how this site is set up but I do however see why things sometimes get put in the wrong place. There are several questions in the "General" section. There are large scale cars in the drag section which should be in "Big Boys". Ect. Are only certian questions to be posed in the "Q&A" section ? Sometimes there may be more than one catagory that could apply. Just my 2 cents.

[Ace-Garageguy]

Q&A

Do you have a specific modeling question? Wondering how to...? Need help? Suggestions? Looking for answers? Ask here.

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The above line is copied directly from the Q&A header. I don't mean to be a smartarr, but that line kinda says it all: Specific Modeling Question.

What is difficult about understanding that ??

Edited April 26, 2013 by Ace-Garageguy

[mistermodel]

A quick answer, people don't know what Q&A mean, and its the same syndrome as all the ###### awhile ago about where pick-ups go......its way down in the ghetto of the bottom of the page

Maybe it's not us Harry. If so many people are screwing it up, maybe you need to change things up. People continually offer ways to update the format of this place but are shot down. You need to think outside the box once in a while. We can't all be perfect like you.

SERIUSLY?????

To all the other complaints that people slid in here, which falls under the" I don't get it "department because it doesn't belong. Large scale goes in the large scale department ,pick ups aren't in with the big rigs. They have there own place in the TRUCKS section.

I cant imagine what a mess this place would be without the few SIMPLE posting guidelines there happens to be

Edited April 26, 2013 by mistermodel

[mistermodel]

Q&A

Do you have a specific modeling question? Wondering how to...? Need help? Suggestions? Looking for answers? Ask here.

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The above line is copied directly from the Q&A header. Kinda says it all.

But its at the bottom of the page

[Ace-Garageguy]

But its at the bottom of the page

Okay, so Harry just has to figure out how to warp space and time so that ALL topics will be at the TOP of the page. Simple.

Edited April 26, 2013 by Ace-Garageguy

[mistermodel]

Okay, so Harry just has to figure out how to warp space and time so that ALL topics will be at the TOP of the page. Simple.

there are a lot of know it all's hanging around here ,so it shouldn't be too hard

[southpier]

is the glass half empty, or half full?

neither; it's too big

[ajwheels]

Just an observation, but when I first started spending time on this forum, I was a bit overwhelmed with the number of specific sub-sections...........for any given post, it might be appropriately placed in 2 or more sections...........is not the answer to a question often a tip?..................so I am not surprised that the mods are busy moving stuff around...............not sure there is a good fix for it though.....

[Harry P.]

But its at the bottom of the page

Seriously??? You're serious?

You can't be serious.

You don't know how to scroll down a web page?

Like ace said, I guess I'll have to come up with a method where all the topics are the first ones on the page! Soon as I figure that one out I'll get back to you.

[Harry P.]

Just an observation, but when I first started spending time on this forum, I was a bit overwhelmed with the number of specific sub-sections...........for any given post, it might be appropriately placed in 2 or more sections...........is not the answer to a question often a tip?..................so I am not surprised that the mods are busy moving stuff around...............not sure there is a good fix for it though.....

Here is the "fix," and for the life of me I don't get how so many of you don't understand this:

When you have a QUESTION to ask, you post it in the QUESTION AND ANSWER section.

When you have a TIP, TRICK or TUTORIAL to show us, you post it in the TIP, TRICKS and TUTORIALS section.

Seriously! That's not self-evident? I have to explain that???

[Chief Joseph]

Every other modeling forum I visit has basic sections for a particular topic, and everyone is free to post questions or techniques or WIPs or finished models or industry news or whatever as long as it pertains to the topic. If you have a question about "X" you post it in the "X" section where all the "X" modelers will see it, not in a section where questions about "X" and "Y" and "Z" are all thrown in together. Seems to work out okay for those forums. One particularly good forum has sections for all different modeling interests and then a separate section for tips, tricks, and questions. Things work well with that arrangement, too. Admins & Mods on all the different forums have to move posts around from time to time, but this is the only forum where I see people complaining about having their posts moved. That has to tell you something.

[Jordan White]

I really don't get this place, never have really, I mainly stick to one board, the New kit reviews. I don't get the segregation of cars and trucks, especially putting pickup trucks with big trucks. Or splitting large scale off by itself, I mean what's difference between a large scale car model vs a regular scale one? I don't get the point of the "General" board - it's supposed to be a catch all for post that are somewhat off topic and don't fit any other category, right? Then why is it right smack dab at the top of the page and the largest forum on the board? I've never seen another board where the "off topic" forum was given such a place of prominence and was the most posted in by a wide margin. I think that if you're running a modeling forum, your focus should be on modeling, not TV shows, or sick dogs or the weather or who has the best BBQ in East Decatur, etc...

But I gotta give this place props for being one of the few public places on teh interwebz that keeps politics and religion off the board, I dig that about this place and that's why I come here.

Separation of subjects is not a bad thing. If everything was thrown into one area, like at the Fine Scale Modeler forums, then topics get posted quickly enough where many topics get swept off the front page in a matter of an hour or so. There are people who won't look past the first page, and people who will complain that their topic isn't on the first page (or will continually bump it up so it will be). Sure you could do the "view new content" button, but it's a pain to have to press it every time you finish reading a topic.

Also, if you're like me and interesting in mainly just trucks/SUVs, or big boyz, or another topic, then it's nice having them separate. Yes, people will say "well why not look at everything!?" to which I say, I don't want to. Some stuff just is not interesting to me, like race cars and drag cars. Sure I'll look at them at shows, but you can appreciate them better in person.

I do sort of agree that it is odd having the general area right at the top, but it's a popular area so I can see why it is there.

I think you should split the trucks wanted/trade section like the car section is i like the way the cars section is setup that way

It is preferable to have it that way, however if people would be smart about how they create their titles, then this wouldn't be necessary. If it's a wanted request, put WANTED along with a specific item (or generalized items if there's more than one) so people know without having to open the thread. If it's something to trade, and it's more than one kit (put in title), than say that there are multiple kits (most people seem to already).

[ajwheels]

Seriously! That's not self-evident? I have to explain that???

Apparently you do.............with the number of sub-sections here, there will inevitably be these kinds of situations..........people do their best to interpret things, and the results are obviously all over the place............and as such, someone needs to moderate that.......................

[1930fordpickup]

Harry this layout is fine. The more it is changed, the more you will have to move stuff around. If you go through the forum enough you will learn it . Ace is correct we are just lazy and do not read. This could be out of frustration from what the question is about or something else in life. We are just keeping you on your toes.

[slantasaurus]

But its at the bottom of the page

Somehow I think that if there were a T&A topic at the bottom of the page nobody would have a problem scrolling down for it......

[mistermodel]

Seriously??? You're serious?

You can't be serious.

You don't know how to scroll down a web page?

Like ace said, I guess I'll have to come up with a method where all the topics are the first ones on the page! Soon as I figure that one out I'll get back to you.

Harry , I guess you didn't get my sarcasm .Thanks for clearing up the use of serious , I wont make that mistake again

[Brett Barrow]

OK, so pickups and big trucks are segregated from each other and then segregated even further from other models. Makes perfect sense now

Lemme see if I've got this right with a few example topics:

Asking where to buy Alclad = General

Asking how to use Alclad = Q&A

Asking which is better, Alclad or Metalizer = General

Asking what is the better shade of Alclad for painting a specific part = Q&A

Coming right out and telling everybody how you use Alclad = Tips & Tricks

Coming right out and telling everybody how much you hate using Alclad = General

Saying "Hey everybody, my hamster died" = General (located at the top of the page of a modeling site)

Saying "Hey everybody, we're having a model show" = Model Shows (located at the bottom of the page of a modeling site)

Saying "Hey everybody, my house burned down" = General (located at the top of the page of a modeling site)

Saying "Hey everybody, my house burned down - but it's where we held our model club meetings" = Model Club News (located at the bottom of the page of a modeling site)

I bought a kit today = Big giant thread on General board

I bought a kit today and took some pictures of the sprues = Car (or Truck!) Kit Reviews

I bought a kit today and took some pictures of the sprues and started working on it and took some pictures of that = On the Workbench

I built a Monogram Little T as a roadster with a turtledeck = Cars Under Glass

I built a Monogram Little T as a roadster with slicks and a number on the side = Drag Racing

I built a Monogram Little T as a roadster with a pickup bed = Trucks Under Glass

I built a Monogram Big T as a roadster with a pickup bed = Big Boyz

Again, I'm no rocket surgeon, but it seems like if you set up a forum ostensibly under the guise of a modeling forum, then take all the time to come up with all these little compartments for different subjects, then your "Ah, screw it, everything that doesn't fit somewhere else goes here" board ends up being the largest and most trafficked board and is given the prominence of being at the top of the page, then maybe you didn't do too good of a job when coming up with all those little compartments in the first place...

[Ace-Garageguy]

Suggestion for those who think navigating this layout is too difficult: Next time you go in the grocery store looking for a can of chili, don't go down the aisle that says "chili". Go to the tomato counter, 'cause some chili has tomatoes in it. Or go to the meat counter, 'cause some chili has meat in it. Or go to the bean display, 'cause some chili has beans in it. Then when you can't find the chili, complain to the management.

And, when you go to the other store across town that's run by a different company, if the chili isn't in the exact same place it was in in the first store (even though there's an aisle clearly marked "chili" in the second store too) complain to the management.

[Matt Bacon]

I don't think it's as "blindingly obvious" as all that. If I'm LOOKING for tips and tricks (eg "How do I make my own decals and use them on black cars?", say), then I look though the Tips and Tricks section, and if I don't find any, I'd probably most likely ask for them in the Tips and Tricks section. If I ask the question in the Q&A section, do the people posting answers put them in the Tips and Tricks section? They're Answers to Q&A, after all. But they're also tips and tricks, and, in future, are more likely to be useful, and to be found, in the T&T section...

Personally, I'd combine both sections into a "Modelling Techniques and Advice" single forum...

...though y'all'd probably want to spell it modeling, wudn't ya? ;-P

bestest,

M.

Edited April 26, 2013 by Matt Bacon

[Harry P.]

Harry , I guess you didn't get my sarcasm .Thanks for clearing up the use of serious , I wont make that mistake again

Sorry Kevin, I totally missed the sarcasm. But reading some of the other comments here, you can understand why I thought you were being serious!

[george 53]

You started it ALL Harry, by askin a simple question! Foo....at'll larn ya!

[Casey]

Personally, I'd combine both sections into a "Modelling Techniques and Advice" single forum...

...though y'all'd probably want to spell it modeling, wudn't ya? ;-P

bestest,

M.

I couldn't agree more. The overlap between the Q&A and TT&T sections is the heaviest by far for any sections here on the forum. I think that new section should be located immediately after Gen. Disc., too.

Bonus points for use of a double contraction.

[Harry P.]

To Brett's comments about how the sections are arranged... General first, then Model Cars, then Model Trucks, etc...

The sections have to be in some sort of order. They can't all be the first one at the top.

Is putting "General" at the top the best possible way to do things? Should it be at the bottom, the last item? Should Q&A be the first section?

It's all a matter of personal preference. It's not a science, it's a matter of someone deciding on an order, and then we live with it. No matter what order we put stuff in, I guarantee you that someone will complain about it. Absolutely guarantee it. The way things are set up right now is not perfect, because perfection can't be achieved. But I think things are arranged in a pretty logical way, different topics and subjects are easy to find. Now if only some of you would pay attention to the fact that we have different sections for different things! Will there be cases where something could reasonably fit in more than one place? Of course! If so, just use your own best judgement. But for crying out loud, stop doing stuff like posting questions about what paint to use for whitewalls in the Under Glass section!!!