JM485 Posted June 23, 2013 Posted June 23, 2013 What really bothers me the most is when gaskets are not properly seated and the model leaks fluids all over the contest tables. I know, it just shows an utter lack of respect for the other builders. Bring a drain pan people!
Ace-Garageguy Posted June 23, 2013 Posted June 23, 2013 I know, it just shows an utter lack of respect for the other builders. Bring a drain pan people! You know, I REALLY LIKE the idea of a model car leaking fluids all over the table to further simulate reality. I think I'm going to go for that effect with my next beater build.
blunc Posted June 23, 2013 Posted June 23, 2013 I know, it just shows an utter lack of respect for the other builders. Bring a drain pan people! and some properly scaled kitty litter.
blunc Posted June 23, 2013 Posted June 23, 2013 You know, I REALLY LIKE the idea of a model car leaking fluids all over the table to further simulate reality. I think I'm going to go for that effect with my next beater build. just make sure it has leaks from places that normally leak, remember...headlight bulbs usually don't leak.
imarriedawitch Posted June 23, 2013 Posted June 23, 2013 Must be Sunday, another sermon preaching the gospel of model building.
Ace-Garageguy Posted June 23, 2013 Posted June 23, 2013 Must be Sunday, another sermon preaching the gospel of model building. Amen, brother. Testify !!!
philo426 Posted June 23, 2013 Posted June 23, 2013 Don't get me wrong dudes if a builder may have put the valve covers upside down then by all means point it out in a nice way but to take it too seriously takes some of the fun out of it1
imarriedawitch Posted June 23, 2013 Posted June 23, 2013 Amen, brother. Testify !!! More like Repent Sinners! Just how many Demandments are there anyway?
Ace-Garageguy Posted June 23, 2013 Posted June 23, 2013 (edited) More like Repent Sinners! Just how many Demandments are there anyway? Again, the point of this thread was to make some information about common mechanical errors available to builders WHO CARE to get the mechanical details right. There's no "Demandment" TO CARE !!! Edited June 23, 2013 by Ace-Garageguy
Dragfreak Posted June 23, 2013 Posted June 23, 2013 Again, the point of this thread was to make some information about common mechanical errors available to builders WHO CARE to get the mechanical details right. There's no "Demandment" TO CARE !!! Well said.
Ace-Garageguy Posted June 23, 2013 Posted June 23, 2013 That's a huge improvement, Steve. Looks really good, seriously. A great idea to remember.
Darren B Posted June 23, 2013 Posted June 23, 2013 (edited) Well either way its a hobby and some strive for the ultra tricked out (down to the last bolt) like rivet counters in the military hobby, or to just have fun with how a build comes out. Looking back in the old mags from the 60's-70's model car science and car model they were totally off the wall and (if real) would never move but they had loads of fun.... Lets face it its a piece of plastic and I lean toward building a more realistic representation of the real car the model is trying to portray but some peoples skills are more advanced than others on this forum and others and when i see things that do not look realistic on a build do not even think about it, it does not matter to me as long as the builder gets one thing out of it. enjoyment. I am striving for more detail and realistic endeavors and as my skills get better so do the builds. Either way have fun with it, its a hobby and i would be lost without it Ill tell you that, keeps me out of trouble....but also keeps me wanting to make the next build better and more accurate than the build just finished, not wanting to start any trouble and please no adverse responses as opinions (as every opinion on this thread) vary from every individual, this is just my take on our wonderful hobby and I mean no disrespect to any one, just saying that models come out the way they do due to level of expertise, and as a former model club member would say model on.............. Edited June 23, 2013 by Darren B
southpier Posted June 23, 2013 Posted June 23, 2013 let's not be getting confused by allowing the "f" word into the conversation. how could I ever explain to my cousin (who got me hooked on models when I was 6 - yes, 55 years ago) that he was so wrong to have all those shelves covered with unpainted, box stock, models? he's crank out a kit with fingernail clippers and an emery board, never even touching a paint brush, in about an hour and a half on a rainy afternoon. now, i'll have to call him and explain we never really did have as much fun as we thought and our youth was indeed wasted!
slusher Posted June 23, 2013 Posted June 23, 2013 Lots of cool tips and ldeas. lt all goes to how much the builder wants to put in it, how good the kit quality is, and how much skill the builder has. l have never worried about the floating alternator since the car sits in my cases here at home. l build box stock mainly and do my best with the kit l have. l never saw a model engine wired until my first computer in 2000 and still have no desire to wire one. To me its just about having some fun and building a model with the skill you have. If l forget a lower radiator hose l won't add antifreeze...
Ace-Garageguy Posted June 23, 2013 Posted June 23, 2013 (edited) let's not be getting confused by allowing the "f" word into the conversation. how could I ever explain to my cousin (who got me hooked on models when I was 6 - yes, 55 years ago) that he was so wrong to have all those shelves covered with unpainted, box stock, models? he's crank out a kit with fingernail clippers and an emery board, never even touching a paint brush, in about an hour and a half on a rainy afternoon. now, i'll have to call him and explain we never really did have as much fun as we thought and our youth was indeed wasted! I'm just not getting it. Why isn't it okay for some guys to have FUN doing accurate, mechanically correct work that respects the laws of physics and vehicle dynamics, while OTHER guys have FUN building whatever they please however they please? Is there ONE right way to enjoy this hobby? It sure seems like the guys who want to do as little as possible have a problem with the guys who want to excel. Personally, I looked at all my half-baked models I did as a kid and I KNEW I could do better. I challenged MYSELF to get it right, and I've had FUN doing ALL of it. I also learned how cars really worked early on, because I was interested, and it's helped me all through my life. BUT NOBODY HAS TO BE INTERESTED. It's OKAY to not care. It's not okay for ME, but it's okay for anyone else. And I DON'T CARE how ANYBODY ELSE wants to build a model, but IF THEY WANT TO REPRESENT MECHANICAL FUNCTION ACCURATELY, then I'm all for helping.....which is what THIS thread is about, and what most of my contributions to the forums are about. NOBODY NEEDS TO GET ALL DEFENSIVE. Nobody is being picked on. The thread is, pure and simple, pointing out some of the more common errors folks make while building. Anyone who wants to build more accurate models can take some advice and insight away from this discussion. Anyone who likes a less prototypical, non-detail-oriented approach can ignore everything here, or anything in between. It is, as they say, all good. Edited June 23, 2013 by Ace-Garageguy
Tom Geiger Posted June 23, 2013 Posted June 23, 2013 Looking back in the old mags from the 60's-70's model car science and car model they were totally off the wall and (if real) would never move but they had loads of fun.... Let's not forget that some of the early 60s customs in 1:1 didn't run or move on their own power! They were just someone's fantasy build. So why can't people build a model that way? And when we were kids... my main concern was how a car looked. I didn't know what was under the hood, nor did I care to know. I wasn't wasting an hour building that engine. I'd glue that hood shut just like the other 10 year olds in my neighborhood did! I wasn't one to build a model in bare plastic though. part of 'how it looked' was to paint it in my favorite colors. I had seen the old movie "The Yellow Rolls Royce" and was inspired by it to paint man of my models yellow and black with those little Testors 15 cent jars of paint. Both of those colors were thick and never dried quick enough for a 10 year olds patience so you can track those old builds back to me through my finger prints!
1972coronet Posted June 23, 2013 Posted June 23, 2013 One thing which really bothers me is "lack-of-depth" of parts . Most common example : alternators which are painted (or kit-chromed) a single colour , including the 'cooling' ribs ! On the real vehicle , the insides of those ribs would be dark ; and , in-scale , "should" be either blackwashed , or , as I do , painted flat black prior to painting the alternator's main body . This is an honest oversight on "OOB" builds , typically by those whom are new to the hobby . However , this oversight bothers me when I see an otherwise beautifully-painted and sublimely-detailled engine ! Silver-painted trim is another peeve of mine . However , I also understand that not every-one has the abilities to apply BMF (i.e. , young children , those with arthritis , those whom are disablled , etc. ). "Panel Wash" (which I'm assuming refers to the darkening of the lines between doors / quarters / fenders , etc. ) makes a huge difference . Again , a tough task to perform , but one which is well worth ones time ! In closing : a cleanly-constructed out-of-box kit beats out a modified-but-mediocre model every time in my book
Darren B Posted June 23, 2013 Posted June 23, 2013 (edited) One thing which really bothers me is "lack-of-depth" of parts . Most common example : alternators which are painted (or kit-chromed) a single colour , including the 'cooling' ribs ! On the real vehicle , the insides of those ribs would be dark ; and , in-scale , "should" be either blackwashed , or , as I do , painted flat black prior to painting the alternator's main body . This is an honest oversight on "OOB" builds , typically by those whom are new to the hobby . However , this oversight bothers me when I see an otherwise beautifully-painted and sublimely-detailled engine ! Silver-painted trim is another peeve of mine . However , I also understand that not every-one has the abilities to apply BMF (i.e. , young children , those with arthritis , those whom are disablled , etc. ). "Panel Wash" (which I'm assuming refers to the darkening of the lines between doors / quarters / fenders , etc. ) makes a huge difference . Again , a tough task to perform , but one which is well worth ones time ! In closing : a cleanly-constructed out-of-box kit beats out a modified-but-mediocre model every time in my book Thats a good point as well and I agree, good reasoning from all that has commented on this point, and a lot of ways to view a finished product. I to strive for the most accurate you can build in a kit I guess it just boils down to ones building techniques and experience I guess... Edited June 23, 2013 by Darren B
martinfan5 Posted June 23, 2013 Posted June 23, 2013 You know what really bugs me , is when people dont aim their headlights correctly , or they have the car stereo's in , but yet, no radio antenna, or not opening up the filler cap for the fuel filler, how are you going to fill'er up?
mk11 Posted June 23, 2013 Posted June 23, 2013 Speaking of 'lack of depth'... a major peeve of mine is the poor tooling done on stock wheels, something that often shows up on otherwise beautiful builds of vintage trucks especially. Unfortunately, the builder doesn't often have a choice. Another good example is the hemi dart rear mags; way too shallow and unrealistic looking. a little time spent looking for the proper depth/offset on your wheels really pays dividends. Regarding 'panel line wash', I cringed to watch a featured build of an orange car in a model magazine a while back get subjected to what looked like a hamfisted attempt to flow black into the lines after it was painted. To me, it destroyed the whole thing, making the gaps look about a scale inch wide. Maybe doing this before the final paint or using a lighter shade would help; depends on the color and body, I guess. and, sorry, it just makes me laugh out loud thinking of some 'pro' throwing another guys build back in the box because his magnifying glass told him the guy didn't insert his teensy wires into a 3/16" diameter cap just so... mike
Draggon Posted June 24, 2013 Posted June 24, 2013 I agree with all of what Bill said, and will add too much toe in/out, excessive camber ( when the model is not hellaflush/demon camber ) all four wheels pointing in different directions, "tripod" wheels, and stupid stance. It just is goofy and unrealistic to see a pro touring style model with a 4x4 ride height, the rear lower than the front, the front tires sticking outside the bodywork and the rears tucked in, but this happens over and over, sometimes even to an otherwise beautiful model. Another thing that bothers me is tuner wheels and tires on otherwise vintage rods, but that might be more of a "taste" thing.
peekay Posted July 12, 2013 Posted July 12, 2013 It sure seems like the guys who want to do as little as possible have a problem with the guys who want to excel. Funny, to me it seems to be exactly the other way round. Nobody will complain if your alternator has a bracket but you'll hear about it if it doesn't.
southpier Posted July 12, 2013 Posted July 12, 2013 i really hope i never sit next to you guys in the movie theater. when i pay my $$$, i am entitled to suspend disbelief for 90 minutes.
Deano Posted July 12, 2013 Posted July 12, 2013 Ace-Garageguy, on 23 Jun 2013 - 4:28 PM, said: It sure seems like the guys who want to do as little as possible have a problem with the guys who want to excel. Funny, to me it seems to be exactly the other way round. Nobody will complain if your alternator has a bracket but you'll hear about it if it doesn't. This same phenomenon occurs in every hobby I've ever been associated with; the guys at the extremes setting the opposite extreme up as "the enemy". Meanwhile, everybody in the middle gets caught in the crossfire. This is not good phenomenon.
Greg Myers Posted July 12, 2013 Posted July 12, 2013 Incorrect firing order of ignition wires on the distributor... That's the first thing I look at, knowing the firing order for, um, how many different makes ?
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