What Irked You Today?

[Harry P.]

So why exactly are you still in Illinois, Harry?

Tell me what city doesn't have property taxes and I'm there.

[High octane]

My property tax bill irked me today.

It's amazing how in a world where home values are generally falling, property taxes are rising!

Harry, you really didn't think that your property taxes would go down did you? They will NEVER go down, only up.

[Harry P.]

Harry, you really didn't think that your property taxes would go down did you? They will NEVER go down, only up.

Yes, of course. Especially here in "Crook" County.

[Ace-Garageguy]

Rich, I agree with you.

I have three kids... they are all adults now, but when they were kids they all went to public school, which was paid for via my property taxes. And I had absolutely no problem with that. But once your kids are no longer in school, why do you still have to pay the part of property tax that goes toward schools? Or what if you are single, or a couple, and don't have any kids at all? Is it fair for those people to pay for schools?

I think that property owners who have kids in public schools should pay for those schools, but people who don't have kids in the system shouldn't have to subsidize those who do.

So...you're saying that YOUR property taxes were sufficient to cover the entire costs attached to your 3 childrens' public school education?

Somehow, I doubt it, but of course that's just my own perspective.

I KNOW my own property taxes have never been sufficient to cover the education of just ONE child, or even, assuming a class of 30 children to divide the costs over, 1/30 of the cost. Say your property tax is $1000 per year. That's ONE teacher, getting $30,000 per year to teach 30 kids. In a field. No walls. No roof. No toilets. With no books. No lights. No administration of any kind. 

The ONLY way it works is if EVERY property owner pays in to the system.

And I HATE having to pay to support most of the government and their idiocy...BUT...one of the few things I don't have a problem with paying for is universal basic education...even though I have no kids in the game...and I think the current state of public education is a joke.

Edited February 26, 2016 by Ace-Garageguy

[Harry P.]

Well, that's very noble of you, Bill... but I have to disagree.

People who have kids in the public school system ought to pay for that via taxes, no question. But people who don't use the school system shouldn't have to pay for the school system.

Or to put it another way... if you don't have a car and depend on public transportation, or cabs, or your own two feet for transportation, you don't subsidize road repair/upkeep via gas tax, right? Or should you be sent a "road upkeep" bill in the mail, regardless?

[Harry P.]

And hey... what if you rent?

What if you are a renter and have six kids in the public school system? You pay zero for their education... the cost is passed on to property owners, who may or may not have kids in the system.

How is that fair?

[Ace-Garageguy]

No, but education is a completely different animal.

I don't think I should be exempt from having part of my money go to support the military...even though I have no personal quarrel with governments or factions that wish this country harm.

I DO have a problem with the creeping IGNORANCE that's destroying this country from the INSIDE, and it can only be combated by education.

You can wipe out every welfare or entitlement program, I'll be a happy guy.

Give people GOOD basic education, you won't NEED entitlement programs anyway.

Edited February 26, 2016 by Ace-Garageguy

[Ace-Garageguy]

And hey... what if you rent?

What if you are a renter and have six kids in the public school system? You pay zero for their education... the cost is passed on to property owners, who may or may not have kids in the system.

How is that fair?

OK...I agree with THAT entirely. 

[Harry P.]

We are all citizens of this country, whether we have children or not. So we are all responsible for the cost of our own protection (the military). I have no quarrel with that.

But subsidizing some other guy's kid's education is something I'm not comfortable with.

[Ace-Garageguy]

We are all citizens of this country, whether we have children or not. So we are all responsible for the cost of our own protection (the military). I have no quarrel with that.

But subsidizing some other guy's kid's education is something I'm not comfortable with.

Ok, I'll stipulate property owners are getting somewhat screwed.

So, since it's an issue of national importance, as important as maintaining the military, every CITIZEN should have to shoulder a fairly apportioned part of the cost of basic education.

Edited February 26, 2016 by Ace-Garageguy

[Harry P.]

 

I agree that every citizen who has kids in the system should be paying for that system. And I'll agree with you on the point that property owners (like me) are getting screwed. Especially compared with renters, as I pointed out. Completely unfair.

[High octane]

No, but education is a completely different animal.

I don't think I should be exempt from having part of my money go to support the military...even though I have no personal quarrel with governments or factions that wish this country harm.

I DO have a problem with the creeping IGNORANCE that's destroying this country from the INSIDE, and it can only be combated by education.

You can wipe out every welfare or entitlement program, I'll be a happy guy.

Give people GOOD basic education, you won't NEED entitlement programs anyway.

Sure you can wipe out every welfare or entitlement program, but can you replace them with jobs???

[Ace-Garageguy]

Sure you can wipe out every welfare or entitlement program, but can you replace them with jobs???

Of course not...not overnight. But education is the single most important qualifier one needs to get a GOOD job, and to maintain a country with an economy that DOES provide jobs.

Education is freedom. Freedom to rise out of an "economically-disadvantaged" life in a crime-ridden ghetto. Freedom to USE the opportunities available to Americans to become entrepreneurs. Freedom to start a small business on a shoestring and grow it into a success that DOES provide jobs. Because education allows people to UNDERSTAND how things work. And when you understand how the system works, not just the part of the system that hands out foodstamps, you CAN make a decent life.

If you can't make change, or read instructions, or write an e-mail that someone else can understand, how do you think you're going to get ANY kind of job that pays a living wage?

The pie-in-the-sky preoccupation with creating "jobs" for people who have no marketable skills is idiocy. Short-sighted, un-thinking, knee-jerk idiocy.

Edited February 26, 2016 by Ace-Garageguy

[BIGTRUCK]

We are all citizens of this country, whether we have children or not. So we are all responsible for the cost of our own protection (the military). I have no quarrel with that.

But subsidizing some other guy's kid's education is something I'm not comfortable with

I live in Dupage county, I cringe when the tax papers come in, the last child went to school 12 years ago and I'll be paying for other kids to go to school till the end, kind of like health insurance, if its you and your wife or a guy with a wife and 5 kids it all cost the same..

[High octane]

Of course not...not overnight. But education is the single most important qualifier one needs to get a GOOD job, and to maintain a country with an economy that DOES provide jobs.

Education is freedom. Freedom to rise out of an "economically-disadvantaged" life in a crime-ridden ghetto. Freedom to USE the opportunities available to Americans to become entrepreneurs. Freedom to start a small business on a shoestring and grow it into a success that DOES provide jobs. Because education allows people to UNDERSTAND how things work. And when you understand how the system works, not just the part of the system that hands out foodstamps, you CAN make a decent life.

If you can't make change, or read instructions, or write an e-mail that someone else can understand, how do you think you're going to get ANY kind of job that pays a living wage?

The pie-in-the-sky preoccupation with creating "jobs" for people who have no marketable skills is idiocy. Short-sighted, un-thinking, knee-jerk idiocy.

There are many educated, skilled, and hard working people in this country today without jobs. As for starting a business, you need money to do that, as the "shoestring" idea is a thing of the past.

[Ace-Garageguy]

There are many educated, skilled, and hard working people in this country today without jobs. As for starting a business, you need money to do that, as the "shoestring" idea is a thing of the past.

Well you sure as hell can't do it if you think it's impossible, that's for damm sure.

And I know people with multiple skills who have had no problem finding work...people who used to be engineers who aren't too proud to work as mechanics or carpenters.

I've done the shoestring thing by the way. Don't say it's impossible 'til you've tried. It's still entirely possible IF YOU WANT IT BAD ENOUGH TO WORK FOR IT, SACRIFICE FOR IT, MAKE IT HAPPEN.

Oh, I'm sorry. It's NOT EASY.

Edited February 26, 2016 by Ace-Garageguy

[unclescott58]

It looks like another model is going to have to take the purple bath. BLAH_BLAH_BLAH_BLAH Testors enamel paint.

Edited February 27, 2016 by unclescott58

[crazyjim]

Tell me what city doesn't have property taxes and I'm there.

Citrus Springs, Fl has no taxes.  Of course it's not a city, village, or any other municipality.  I guess it's just a sub-division located in the north east corner of Citrus County, FL.  We're a semi-rural area and closest stores are about about 5 miles away. 

We live in  1900sf detached house with 3 bedrooms, 2 baths, 2 car attached garage, in ground 16' x 32' pool with screened cage, a 10' x 20' garden shed, 20' x 40' steel building, a 12' x 16' storage shed, irrigation system and our propertry is a little over 1/2 acre.  Our taxes are under $600 annually.

There's a house for sale down at the end of our street.  It's pretty new.  Built about 4 years ago.  The renters moved out and the owner wants to sell.  Want the phone number?

[Monty]

It looks like another model is going to have to take the purple bath. BLAH_BLAH_BLAH_BLAH Testors enamel paint.

OK, enough of this.  Go look up Donn Yost's how-to-airbrush videos and tell me how cr@ppy Testors/Model Master paints are.  Donn uses them almost exclusively, reduces them with lacquer thinner and gets eye-grabbing phenomenal results.  

And surprise, I've already anticipated your next whine: Wah!  I don't wanna buy a big, scary airbrush.  I wubs my wattle cans.  Fine.  Please sell off your Testors paints, buy all the Tamiya you can, and move on.  

[unclescott58]

OK, enough of this.  Go look up Donn Yost's how-to-airbrush videos and tell me how cr@ppy Testors/Model Master paints are.  Donn uses them almost exclusively, reduces them with lacquer thinner and gets eye-grabbing phenomenal results.  

And surprise, I've already anticipated your next whine: Wah!  I don't wanna buy a big, scary airbrush.  I wubs my wattle cans.  Fine.  Please sell off your Testors paints, buy all the Tamiya you can, and move on.  

Yea, I know of Yost and his use of enamel paints. And you right I will not be buying "a big, scary airbrush." I already have one. I just don't like using it. And I'm not condemning all Testors paint. I like their lacquers. I just like Tamiya's paint better.

I thought this particular thread was for venting what irks one. Am I wrong on that? My recent use of Testors enamel "irked" me. Am I not to use this thread?

[vintagedragcrazy]

Shame on you for posting what irks you in a thread about thingss that irk you!!! Lol

vince

[slusher]

Yea, I know of Yost and his use of enamel paints. And you right I will not be buying "a big, scary airbrush." I already have one. I just don't like using it. And I'm not condemning all Testors paint. I like their lacquers. I just like Tamiya's paint better.

I thought this particular thread was for venting what irks one. Am I wrong on that? My recent use of Testors enamel "irked" me. Am I not to use this thread?

I have some of the old Testors enamel and some Boyd colors in Testors enamels and they are far better paint then what they are selling today.. Yes your in the right place to vent...

[unclescott58]

Thanks Vince and Carl. It sounds like you guys get it.

As side note. After 24 hours in the good old purple bath, the Testors enamel is coming off quite nicely. And so far it looks like the Tamiya primer staying. Which is a good thing. I have some Testors Plum Crazy lacquer on the way. So it should turn okay in long run.

[cobraman]

Garage door arm pulled out of the garage door yesterday. : (  Should be a pretty simple fix.

[Monty]

Shame on you for posting what irks you in a thread about thingss that irk you!!! Lol

vince

I have some of the old Testors enamel and some Boyd colors in Testors enamels and they are far better paint then what they are selling today.. Yes your in the right place to vent...

Thanks Vince and Carl. It sounds like you guys get it.

As side note. After 24 hours in the good old purple bath, the Testors enamel is coming off quite nicely. And so far it looks like the Tamiya primer staying. Which is a good thing. I have some Testors Plum Crazy lacquer on the way. So it should turn okay in long run.

I guess I need to go check the rules on who can vent, and who can't, since my first response (a vent) was based on not seeing the need for multiple posts about someone's inability to get good results from paints many of us have used successfully for years.  It's kinda like reading the posts from modelers who say using BMF is "too hard". All I did was suggest that he go back to using Tamiya lacquers exclusively, as he seems to have better luck with those.