Have you ever noticed ?

[Teddy J. Tannehill]

When I look through the "Under glass" or "On the Workbench" areas of the site and I see all the great work of the talented builders.....Well it makes me feel like "A Kid Again"....And I play "Got it, got it, want it, need it, Man I wish I could do that".....Builders thanks for that. Each of you has their own style. Weather you realize it or not every ones work brings a lot to the table so please keep the post coming. Have you ever noticed? That when you look at all the "Cool Projects" You think that's the "One I am gon'na do next until you go to next post....Oh wait "That's the one"....Some times its a forgotten kit in your stash or an idea that has been on your mind....and one of the Builders is actually doing....Have you ever noticed?

[Ramfins59]

Yeah Teddy, I notice it all the time, especially all the great Street Rods and Pickups that members build. But I've been so "hung up" on building 1950's cars for the past year or so that they're all I want to build right now. So far I've completed about 2 dozen and still have over 2 dozen in the pile to work on, plus at least another dozen or more to still get. I have about 2 dozen Street Rod kits in my stash that I will "eventually get to. This Forum does make you feel like a kid in a candy store when you keep seeing all the cool models that you just can't wait to build.

[Greg Cullinan]

Me too.

[Ace-Garageguy]

Yup.

[ZTony8]

It's the inventiveness and creativity of some of the builders here that I admire.Once in a great while I have an idea for a build but my ideas are nothing compared to many on here.

[highway]

....Some times its a forgotten kit in your stash or an idea that has been on your mind....and one of the Builders is actually doing....Have you ever noticed?

I've noticed this many times, and usually it is an idea my crazy mind comes up with and I think "No one would ever think of doing this!" just to open a magazine and see show coverage and someone has already done it!

[Chris White]

its what helps me buy the next kit, ..................... I want that one

[Tom Geiger]

. Each of you has their own style. Weather you realize it or not every ones work brings a lot to the table so please keep the post coming.

You are right! There are times I see a model without knowing who built it and I can pretty much guess from the "signature" work.

Me? If it's rusted and has Suburbanite snow tires on it... it's probably mine!

[CJ1971]

I believe it's *whether* rather than +weather+ ??

Yes I think we, everyone in this model-building hobby, have at some point & will continue to have similar or exact same thoughts.

Although I don't fully agree that "everyone" brings a lot to the table, there are many that do. Not just here but on a lot of other forums to. Some builds are just mind blowing... Some are just clean... Fun etc & then there are those that are... Well... Eyesores. No effort... Lack of experience... Lack of knowledge etc. etc.

Warranted, & here's my idea/point, most of those that are not very well built or look amateur-ish are mainly built by... Amateurs/newbies/rookies... Whatever you'd like to call them, right? Most decent people here, when they KNOW a build has been completed by a newbie, give advice on how to make a better model... Or if they DON'T know it's been built by a newbie, say nothing at all or talk-up the model like it's awesome.... When in reality it's pretty darn woeful. Maybe it's just me, maybe it's not just me, but I don't praise a build with words like... Awesome! Well done! Fantastic! Really good! If the model is the opposite to all of those descriptions...

My idea/suggestion to the admin' here is... How about they introduce a "Newbies" build section? Where the new guys/girls can post their WIPs/completed builds? That way everyone else knows all the models in this section are made/built by people that have just gotten into the hobby?? That way we can help them, advise them etc... When asked??

[Tom Geiger]

Although I don't fully agree that "everyone" brings a lot to the table, there are many that do. Not just here but on a lot of other forums to. Some builds are just mind blowing... Some are just clean... Fun etc & then there are those that are... Well... Eyesores. No effort... Lack of experience... Lack of knowledge etc. etc.

Warranted, & here's my idea/point, most of those that are not very well built or look amateur-ish are mainly built by... Amateurs/newbies/rookies... Whatever you'd like to call them, right? Most decent people here, when they KNOW a build has been completed by a newbie, give advice on how to make a better model... Or if they DON'T know it's been built by a newbie, say nothing at all or talk-up the model like it's awesome.... When in reality it's pretty darn woeful. Maybe it's just me, maybe it's not just me, but I don't praise a build with words like... Awesome! Well done! Fantastic! Really good! If the model is the opposite to all of those descriptions...

You are right, there are some dreadful models. The tough part is figuring out who the builder is.... are they a youngster or other newbie who needs, and most importantly wants, guidance? And it depends on how that guidance is administered. When I was new, prior to the Internet, I joined a club to enjoy the hobby and most important, to learn to build better models. There was one guy in the club who was very harsh and would criticize the model with statements like "We disqualified your model from the club contest because you used Krylon paint. You're not allowed to do that!" and his tone wasn't encouraging, more like superior. I almost quit the club subjected to that.

Then there are guys who are handicapped or have other limitations. It's good to know who they are so we can praise them appropriately. Those results may have been hard fought for.

And the last category... as you said. Those who don't have much invested in the hobby. They slap stuff together and really don't care about improving their skills. Where there are those amongst us who treat their building as art, these guys are a step above assembling puzzles.

We had one in our club. He was a middle aged guy who cranked out a model or two a month. He wasn't into quality, that would have slowed him down. He wanted to see big results, like half a model assembled, each time he'd sit down to build. He'd brag about getting the whole thing painted in one sitting and things like that. One of those guys who would assemble his whole interior and then spray the entire thing with hardware store black, and not even paint any details. He never did a lick of body prep, brush painted all his parts on sprues and his bodies had one uneven coat of hardware store paint. He never added a wire in his life.

He wanted no input. He didn't want to grow his skills. That would have been fine, but he also wanted to win contests. He'd complain that ALL contests should be judged with the hoods shut 'to give everyone a chance'. He wanted our club contest to be that way, but he also suggested that the peoples choice be done from a distance... not up close. So maybe you'd stand five feet away from the table so his stuff would look good. He said everyone should take turns winning. These are the guys you just want to smack!

Edited April 3, 2014 by Tom Geiger

[my66s55]

nope. never noticed.

[lordairgtar]

You are right, there are some dreadful models. The tough part is figuring out who the builder is.... are they a youngster or other newbie who needs, and most importantly wants, guidance? And it depends on how that guidance is administered. When I was new, prior to the Internet, I joined a club to enjoy the hobby and most important, to learn to build better models. There was one guy in the club who was very harsh and would criticize the model with statements like "We disqualified your model from the club contest because you used Krylon paint. You're not allowed to do that!" and his tone wasn't encouraging, more like superior. I almost quit the club subjected to that.

Then there are guys who are handicapped or have other limitations. It's good to know who they are so we can praise them appropriately. Those results may have been hard fought for.

And the last category... as you said. Those who don't have much invested in the hobby. They slap stuff together and really don't care about improving their skills. Where there are those amongst us who treat their building as art, these guys are a step above assembling puzzles.

We had one in our club. He was a middle aged guy who cranked out a model or two a month. He wasn't into quality, that would have slowed him down. He wanted to see big results, like half a model assembled, each time he'd sit down to build. He'd brag about getting the whole thing painted in one sitting and things like that. One of those guys who would assemble his whole interior and then spray the entire thing with hardware store black, and not even paint any details. He never did a lick of body prep, brush painted all his parts on sprues and his bodies had one uneven coat of hardware store paint. He never added a wire in his life.

He wanted no input. He didn't want to grow his skills. That would have been fine, but he also wanted to win contests. He'd complain that ALL contests should be judged with the hoods shut 'to give everyone a chance'. He wanted our club contest to be that way, but he also suggested that the peoples choice be done from a distance... not up close. So maybe you'd stand five feet away from the table so his stuff would look good. He said everyone should take turns winning. These are the guys you just want to smack!

This is the same guy who decides children sports should have no scoring. You better believe the kids know who is good and who isn't as much. There is a young boy in our club who has come with his father to the meetings since he could walk. He's at the age were he has attempted some builds, which are a mix of snap kits and glued ones. He has learned to handle a spray can to paind and has learned clean assembly habits. His paint jobs are pretty even but still a bit rough. He gets up and talks during our table talk session. He knows what makes a kit easy and what makes them a turkey. he always tries to learn stuff and each time he improves. He now wants to display in the themed classes in our NNL instead of being on the "kid's table". Kudos to him.

[Teddy J. Tannehill]

Hello everyone and thanks for responding. It is always nice to hear from you. I really love model cars. When I build a kit I try to make it look good....I do the "Best I can". I have received great advice from the Builders on this site...I look at the cars from that view point....each person has different levels of talent and ability....When it comes to building a car it takes me a long time.....I know that it takes a while for me to learn new things....I can see improvement with each car I build.....I also know my limitations I hate to admit this but sometimes the simplest modification throw's me a curve ball...I once spent countless hours changing the rims and tires on a car... all I wanted was "Mag Wheels" and "Wider Tires"....I got 'em to...But only after grinding the inner wheel wells and a "Mini Tub". I had fun....And maybe that is the point.

[bbowser]

Slapping them together is fine if that's what you like to do. It's a hobby and supposed to be fun/relaxing. But then don't get your nose out of joint because you don't win a contest against someone who put countless hours and tons of detail into their build! It takes all kinds I guess

[Harry P.]

No separate "Newbie" section here. We don't need more sections, we need less! And besides, who's to say that a person who posts in the "Newbie" section really is new to the hobby? When there's no way to police it, it becomes pointless to have it.

The basic rule that everyone needs to keep in mind is simple: When you post photos of your work on a public forum, the public is allowed (even expected) to comment. Good, bad, praise, criticism... whatever. That's how a forum works.

If anyone out there can't take take (or doesn't want) anyone to comment on their work, don't post your work! By posting your work here, you are making it a matter of public record, and the public has every right to comment.

[Teddy J. Tannehill]

I think the idea of the pros helping and giving advice on the forum is a good thing...Maybe that is why every ones work brings a lot to the table...For example I have been using a black stain for my panel lines...One of the pros suggest using the body color a few shades darker in these to make them more realistic....I look forward to using this method on the next car I build. Thanks for the good advice. I have not put any of my cars in contest. I know my skills need to improve.