w451973 Posted September 4, 2014 Posted September 4, 2014 To suggestions, thoughts and ideas on modeling boards ? I'm sure everyone has ideas and suggestions. One of my pet peeves and this should be easy to corect is the Polyglass GT L-60 tires. These are NOT correct in size. Anyone old enough and familiar with L-60-15 tires knows they were wider and certainly would not be used all around on any muscle car ever made. They would be too big for the front. I'm probably wrong but to me they seem more like a G-70's. I know I could just overlook it but why in this day and age of more detailed, accurate and exspensive kits.And while we are on the subject the little Polyglass GT F-60-15's are too small. They look right at home on what are saposed to be 13 inch wheels on Vega's and Pinto's. The real 1969 Hurst/Olds used F-60-15's all around on it. It's even on the newer boxes. So it would be nice to tool up some new correct size tires and correct the lettering on the old ones. What say you ?
Mike Kucaba Posted September 4, 2014 Posted September 4, 2014 I just would like in reissues, where there are holes meant to be cut out in a hood,they would stop making the groove to scribe out to open this area up. It seems to always telegraph thru and scars the underhood detail like bracing. I also don;t know of too many modelers who need any help in cutting a hole in a plastic model
peter31a Posted September 4, 2014 Posted September 4, 2014 I was busy thinking this was a Star Wars related question. I was pretty sure R2D2 has a system to listen to those who spoke to him...
Motor City Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 As I recall, the L60-15 was standard on the '70 Buick GSX. I don't believe it was standard equipment on any other muscle car.
Steven Zimmerman Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 Only way to tell is to actually measure them ..."I think"....or "they look" I understand, but measure them. BTW, almost ALL L-60's manufactured by different companies were different in width and height. I personally believe the new white lettered 'POLYGLAS GT' available in the new AMT wheel sets (L - 60 / f - 60) are GREAT looking, and I hope they sell all they can produce! One thing I have found as I grow older - What we remember vs. what actually WAS, are two different animals. I 'remember' the G - 70 being a HUGE tire.....but it wasn't.....'Z'
Brett Barrow Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 (edited) Personally I like 'em. if the L looks right on the front, use it. Wipe the letter(s) off with lacquer thinner if it bothers you that much. I'll try to find my calipers and see how these measure up tonight... Here's the 1:1 sizes if anybody wants to tackle this first: F60-15 overall diameter 25.9", section width 9.20" (would be 1.036" and 0.368" in 25th scale) L60-15 overall diameter 27.86", section width 10.50 (1.11" and 0.42") Edited September 5, 2014 by Brett Barrow
John Goschke Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 If they listened to me they'd have re-tooled the awful body in the '58 Plymouth kit immediately after the first run of kits. However, I know mine wasn't the only voice crying in the wilderness, and they didn't listen to them either.
Steven Zimmerman Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 AMT 'new' F 60, mic. 1.028 dia. , ,section width measured .354....AMT L 60, 1.00 overall dia. and section width, 0.42, pretty close, IMHO !.....'Z'
Brett Barrow Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 (edited) If they listened to me they'd have re-tooled the awful body in the '58 Plymouth kit immediately after the first run of kits. However, I know mine wasn't the only voice crying in the wilderness, and they didn't listen to them either. Well, to be fair that was AMT/Ertl, two or three ownerships ago... Ertl(1981)->Racing Champions(1999)->RC2(Racing Champions + Learning Curve merger ca.2003)->Round2 licenses brands and tooling from RC2/Tomy(2008)->Round2 outright ownership (Dec. 2011) Edited September 5, 2014 by Brett Barrow
MrObsessive Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 (edited) Hear, hear on the '58 Plymouth! Actually, one of my pet peeves with the kit manufacturers besides woefully inaccurate body lines, is the way they make kit glass. Why must it be so terribly distorted?? This is one of the reasons after many years, I haven't touched the '57 Chrysler 300C. The rear backlite in that kit is absolutely TERRIBLE and, until I decide to vacuform a decent copy of it, it won't be on my to-do list for building. Same goes for the glass in my '59 Impala kit. I will tackle the glass in that one after I finish the Mustang as I now have a vac-form machine. As far as tires go, to me if it looks "right" and in scale, I say go with it. Sometimes numbers in 1:1 don't always work out in our model world. One has to go with what looks in scale and what appears right for a particular car. Edited September 5, 2014 by MrObsessive
Brett Barrow Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 AMT 'new' F 60, mic. 1.028 dia. , ,section width measured .354....AMT L 60, 1.00 overall dia. and section width, 0.42, pretty close, IMHO !.....'Z' You sure about that 1.00" OD on the L-60? I'm pretty sure they're larger than the F60. Typo?
Steven Zimmerman Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 Sorry, 1" mics....not payin attention !......'Z'
Steven Zimmerman Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 Measured them with calipers, got 1.11 - 1.12 , right on the money. Finding that flexible tires are hard to measure ! (or I'm a gittin OLD !)
Brett Barrow Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 At least the Round2 tires have lettering unlike Revell's blankwall tires. If Round2 can afford licensing fees for their tires, I see no reason why Revell can't. That lame excuse just doesn't wash no matter how you look at it. Round2 has a blanket deal that covers their kits, diecasts, and slot cars. More products to offset the cost. Revell just has kits (but I'd venture a guess that they sell more $$$ in kits than Round2 sells kits+die casts+slot cars). Revell (Germany)'s new LaFerrari has branded tires (the wrong brand for the 1:1 but at least they have something on the sidewalls) so that situation may be changing, at least with the German division.
Brett Barrow Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 Measured them with calipers, got 1.11 - 1.12 , right on the money. Finding that flexible tires are hard to measure ! (or I'm a gittin OLD !) So, when we grab the pitchforks and torches and march on Round2's offices demanding they re-tool the Goodyears, they're just gonna laugh at us, right?
John Goschke Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 Well, to be fair that was AMT/Ertl, two or three ownerships ago... Ertl(1981)->Racing Champions(1999)->RC2(Racing Champions + Learning Curve merger ca.2003)->Round2 licenses brands and tooling from RC2/Tomy(2008)->Round2 outright ownership (Dec. 2011) He who owns it now is responsible for fixing it before the next reissue.
MrObsessive Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 If Revell took the initiative (and kudos for doing so!) to fix the incorrect body contours on the '70 Torino, there's no reason why Round 2 can't do the same to the Plymouth. After all these years however, I won't hold my breath in the hope that they do so.
High octane Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 Just because a half dozen people complain about a mistake, doesn't mean that Round 2, Revell, or anybody else is going to fix it.
Monty Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 Just because a half dozen people complain about a mistake, doesn't mean that Round 2, Revell, or anybody else is going to fix it. Agreed. Sometimes that happens when thousands complain, too. AMT & MPC managed to get a somewhat accurate grille & front end on their versions of the '69 Mustang, while Revell's version, with arguably better detail elsewhere, is a snub-nosed beast. Allow me to coin a new term for it: Palmer-lite.
VW93 Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 Maybe we should be happy that Palmer is no longer producing "models" !!!!!
Mike Kucaba Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 FWIW Back in the day on my '66 Chevy II I fitted Goodyear F-60-15's on Corvette 8 inch rally wheels and had to trim out the inside of the wheel well lip. the car also had re-arched multi-leaf rear springs,so it sat a little high in the back.
unclescott58 Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 (edited) There is no way I'm getting involved in this one. Unbelievable! Scott Whoops, I think I just did. Sorry. Edited September 5, 2014 by unclescott58
unclescott58 Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 As I recall, the L60-15 was standard on the '70 Buick GSX. I don't believe it was standard equipment on any other muscle car. According to the GSX wholesale order form, the GSX came with option F-7 "Super Wide Oval White Billboard Lettered Tires G-60-15 Inc. Chrome Plated Wheels". The "Chrome Plated Wheels" that are being referred to are the Buick five-spokes. Now that we've cleared that up. You guys can go back to debating on how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Scott
Brett Barrow Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 Revell also produces diecast. Maybe not in the numbers Round2 does. But, they do make them. Last I heard, Round2 had discontinued the 1/25 slot cars. They still make the smaller 1/32 slot cars. But, I don't recall the 1/25 slot cars having lettering on the tires. If Revell does out sell Round2, it just makes their excuse that much weaker. I'm sure if they shopped around, they could find a tire manufacturer that would sell the rights at a reasonable cost. Good Year isn't the only one out there. Any brand would be better than none at all. I don't think Revell makes diecast anymore. I used to sell and distribute them and i havent seen or heard anything about Revell diecasts in years except for some Revell Germany stuff, but i think they quit importing that into the US. Round2 is also AutoWorld HO slot cars, they make a lot of cars with printed tires, pretty much all of the NHRA stuff has them. I'd like to see anything, even gibberish on the sides of tires, the smooth side just look funky. Funny thing is I was looking at the official Ferrari site for the LaFerrari and they had removed the sidewall marking from the tires on the pics(or they might have been 3D renders). I thought that was strange.
Tom Geiger Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 Just because a half dozen people complain about a mistake, doesn't mean that Round 2, Revell, or anybody else is going to fix it. It was once said that a company won't change a product where only 1% of their customers would notice. We are a miniscule but vocal minority.
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