Ace-Garageguy Posted December 30, 2021 Posted December 30, 2021 16 minutes ago, Snake45 said: ...if they even exist in 1/24. They do. Trumpeter and Airfix did different versions of the FW, Trumpeter and Bandai did Zeros, Airfix did a Hellcat, and again Bandai with the Shiden Kai. 27 minutes ago, Snake45 said: ...Frankly, I think you'd be better off finding a good set of Bearcat plans with cross-sections, and using them to scratchbuild the thing completely using carved foam with epoxy coating. You may be right. Still, it's always easier to start with something than starting with nothing...and starting with a cast fuselage shape that has a clearly defined centerline to measure from, if any of those planes is dimensionally kinda close (preferably a little larger so as to be able to whittle the shape down, as is the case with the Spitfire/S6), I feel I'd get there much easier than carving from a rectangular block. OR...building using bulkhead stations and stringers (with cross-sections as per your suggestion, but developed from my own drawings) like a flying balsa model, and then glassing and filling the surface, is how I built both the 1/10 and full-scale versions of this: But it's all hypothetical now anyway...and we all know how often I actually DO what I'd LIKE to do.
Snake45 Posted December 30, 2021 Posted December 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Ace-Garageguy said: OR...building using bulkhead stations and stringers (with cross-sections as per your suggestion, but developed from my own drawings) like a flying balsa model... There's an easier way. Cut the profile as a keel out of thin plastic, wood, or metal. Cut the bulkheads and fasten them to the keel, like your balsa model. But instead of stringers, you just fill the gaps between bulkheads with foam blocks (like florists' styrofoam) and sand the blocks down to the bulkheads. Epoxy-coat the whole mess, you're done!
Matt Bacon Posted December 30, 2021 Posted December 30, 2021 (edited) I genuinely think you’d be better off with plans and some plastic card… https://aerofred.com/details.php?image_id=91773 There’s so little in common between the Spitfire fuselage and S.6, and any resemblance between the wartime floats and the earlier ones is coincidental: on the S.6b, one is longer than the other to counteract prop torque, for example… best, M. Edited December 30, 2021 by Matt Bacon
Ace-Garageguy Posted December 30, 2021 Posted December 30, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Snake45 said: There's an easier way... 24 minutes ago, Matt Bacon said: I genuinely think you’d be better off with plans and some plastic card… Tell ya what. You guys build yours the way you want. While I appreciate the input, I've also already done rather a lot of this kind of work over the last few decades...quite successfully. Edited December 30, 2021 by Ace-Garageguy
Ace-Garageguy Posted January 4, 2022 Posted January 4, 2022 First in a sizable pile of long out-of-print reference material I have coming on the Supermarine S6b.
JollySipper Posted January 4, 2022 Posted January 4, 2022 Bill, are there many kits out there of racing planes? I would like to find a full detail kit of something like one of these...... Doesn't have to be these particular planes, just something similar and purpose built....
Snake45 Posted January 4, 2022 Posted January 4, 2022 Jolly, there are several kits available of the DeHavilland Comet. Probably the most common is the Airfix 1/72. I also found this one in 1/48--don't know anything about it or what it costs. https://modelpaintsol.com/reviews/mikro-mir-48-de-havilland-dh-88-comet-48-017
Ace-Garageguy Posted January 4, 2022 Posted January 4, 2022 The 1/48 Comet is usually available through eBay, and usually ships from Europe. Sometimes takes a while, but if you use PayPal you're covered if it's lost. https://www.ebay.com/itm/294495718234 The Caudron C450 is available as a 1/48 resin kit, it's kinda rare, but usually can be found through eBay too. It's very similar to the C460 in your photo. https://www.ebay.com/itm/224763191696?hash=item3454ee2190:g:cRgAAOSwAeFhyyb5
Ace-Garageguy Posted January 4, 2022 Posted January 4, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, JollySipper said: Bill, are there many kits out there of racing planes? I would like to find a full detail kit of something like one of these...... Doesn't have to be these particular planes, just something similar and purpose built.... See my post above. In addition, there are a surprising number of somewhat obscure historic racing plane kits available, but you have to kinda know what you're looking for...and in the course of searching for one, you'll come up with more. EDIT: For instance, I just came across this one in 1/32 from Williams: EDIT: Cheap, in the States... https://www.ebay.com/itm/265438075046?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20200818142055%26meid%3Ddf02e2ac3c7d4baf868dcc2210de23e2%26pid%3D101113%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D264433385644%26itm%3D265438075046%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2563228%26algv%3DDefaultOrganicWeb&_trksid=p2563228.c101113.m2108 Edited January 4, 2022 by Ace-Garageguy
JollySipper Posted January 4, 2022 Posted January 4, 2022 Cool, guys, thanks! After reading the review of the 1/48 Comet, it doesn't seem that good of a kit. They may be being a bit over critical, though..... I'll look about and see what I can find...... Thanks.
Ace-Garageguy Posted January 4, 2022 Posted January 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, JollySipper said: ...After reading the review of the 1/48 Comet, it doesn't seem that good of a kit. They may be being a bit over critical, though..... Yeah, but lotsa times, when it's the only game in town, you got to take what you can get and go from there. Williams, by the way, made other 1/32 historic race planes...among them 2 different Gee Bee designs. They're nice kits, and can be superdetailed into spectacular models if that's your thing. 1
TonyK Posted January 4, 2022 Posted January 4, 2022 Surprised we don't see the Red Bull Pylon Racing planes made by any model companies. Seems to be a popular spectator sport in the world and I would think they would sell well. I'd buy one anyway.
Can-Con Posted January 5, 2022 Posted January 5, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, Ace-Garageguy said: Yeah, but lotsa times, when it's the only game in town, you got to take what you can get and go from there. Williams, by the way, made other 1/32 historic race planes...among them 2 different Gee Bee designs. They're nice kits, and can be superdetailed into spectacular models if that's your thing. I have the kit of the Gee Bee R in the boxing below. The kit actually scales out to real close to 1/25, not 1/32 as stated on the box. Edited January 5, 2022 by Can-Con
Ace-Garageguy Posted January 5, 2022 Posted January 5, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Can-Con said: I have the kit of the Gee Bee R in the boxing below. The kit actually scales out to real close to 1/25, not 1/32 as stated on the box... Nope. The Williams Bros. kit is actually 1/32 (I have it, as well as their Gee Bee Z kit, and have checked). The ancient Pyro / Lindberg Gee Bee labeled 1/32 is the one that's actually about 1/26 if you go by the wingspan (though the pilot figure is indeed about 1/32). And, ummm, I was the guy who first discovered the mistaken scaling on the box and spread the word many years ago. EDIT: The misinfo probably arises from the several boxings of both the Williams Bros. and the Pyro / Lindberg kits. The 1/26 Lindberg / Pyro Gee Bee kit makes a brief appearance on page one in the thread below: Edited January 5, 2022 by Ace-Garageguy
Can-Con Posted January 5, 2022 Posted January 5, 2022 16 minutes ago, Ace-Garageguy said: Nope. The Williams Bros. kit is actually 1/32. The ancient Pyro/Lindberg Gee Bee labeled 1/32 is the one that's actually about 1/26 if you go by the wingspan. And, ummm, I was the guy who first discovered the mistaken scaling on the box and spread the word many years ago. Yea, your right, my math was off. You proved me wrong, now I'm bitter. ? ??
Ace-Garageguy Posted January 5, 2022 Posted January 5, 2022 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Can-Con said: Yea, your right, my math was off. You proved me wrong, now I'm bitter. ? ?? EDIT: Don't feel bad. Scalemates refers to the Gee Bee as a "Reno Racer", which is WAY wrong. The Gee Bee was built in the early 1930s to compete in the Bendix Air Races, among others. The Reno Air Races didn't begin until 1964...decades after the last Gee Bee was scrap and termite droppings. Though Delmar Benjamin and Steve Wolf did build a full scale flying replica of the Gee Bee R2 in 1991, and flew at Reno on several occasions (as well as numerous other air show events), it did NOT race there. Edited January 5, 2022 by Ace-Garageguy
Snake45 Posted January 5, 2022 Posted January 5, 2022 32 minutes ago, Can-Con said: You proved me wrong, now I'm bitter. ? ?? Or, as David Letterman used to occasionally say (usually after a joke bombed): "Some are confused; others are bitter."
Snake45 Posted January 13, 2022 Posted January 13, 2022 How does that A-37 compare to the old Monogram? I have at least a couple of those in the Snakepit, patiently awaiting my attention.
Keavdog Posted January 13, 2022 Posted January 13, 2022 Just looking through the box it has nice surface detail, recessed panel lines. There's quite a bit of ordinance with the kit, a PE fret and markings for 3 aircraft. Scott Van Aken does a nice preview here: https://modelingmadness.com/scott/viet/previews/trumpeter/02889.htm
Ace-Garageguy Posted January 15, 2022 Posted January 15, 2022 1/24 scale paper model of Howard Hughes' H1 race plane from the mid 1930s. This will be the basis of one scratchbuilt in styrene.
Snake45 Posted January 15, 2022 Posted January 15, 2022 You gonna build the long wings or short wings? I've seen the real thing. It is a VERY impressive machine, even all these years later.
Ace-Garageguy Posted January 15, 2022 Posted January 15, 2022 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Snake45 said: You gonna build the long wings or short wings? I don't know yet. The card model has both. I'm kinda looking forward to doing all the rivets kinda like we used to do them in ancient times on model RR stuff...and dreading it at the same time. Edited January 15, 2022 by Ace-Garageguy TYPO 1
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