unclescott58 Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 Real or not, it's a matter of taste. I think it's great if they put out these old show rods. It doesn't mean I'll be buying them. If it's based on a real car, or designed by Tom Daniel, I'm more likely to buy it. But, even that's not a guarantee. And there has been stuff out there that I'd never consider buying in the past, that I might consider today. Maybe I saw one built for the first time. Or maybe my tastes have just changed over the years. It's all okay. Bring them on. Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ffreak Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 I agree that these kind of kits are not for everyone, but mean a lot to some so we should respect that. What we may like may not be the same taste for others. But I do have a problem with them putting out some of the older kits again with poor molds that just make building them next to impossible. Or at the very least, make them so difficult that it's not enjoyable to build, and stuffed back in the box to be stacked up in the " collectible" pile ! And then just wish you could build it. Sure your individual skills at making it buildable will play into that, but for many it will be a big disappointment and make you think twice about buying a re-release next time. I'm all for bringing these older kits to the market once again, but however i'm not for that if it's just simply for being a cash cow for the companies regardless of the quality of the product, at today's prices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadrunner Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 Mixed bag for me, but I really did like the whacky figures; Angel Fink, Wierd-ohs, etc. Not quite the same subject perhaps, but pure nostalgia for me. Most of the bizarre cars, not so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Geiger Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 So was this ever a real show car ? So was this ever a real show car ? Gotta laugh guys! The same board that is all gaga about stuffing Allison engines in Chevettes is concerned if this one is real? I'd say this one is more feasible than some of the models and ideas I see coming from the grown men on the board. Remember that this was an era of wild show rods, and the main consumer of model kits were kids.. actually the same folks who are now on the board in our age group! Back then any kit could do 500,000 copies and model companies could afford to commission 1:1 versions of their show rods. Now that I look at the Hot Dogger it reminded me that I have a laser cut copy of that kit that I believe Dave Van produced! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Myers Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 Yep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Hall Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 I have no interest in the silly stuff or Tom Daniels stuff, but apparently it still sells so they keep reissuing them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Myers Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 Oooops forgot a few You can put those things in just about anything, For reals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Most Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 If you don't like it, you don't need to buy it. Obviously, the kit manufacturer sees a demand for it, so it's coming back. I don't recall it ever being chiseled into a slab of granite that scale modeling has to be about building a painstakingly realistic replica of an actual vehicle. If people want it, and it'll make money for the manufacturer... fine and dandy. Doesn't matter if you or I don't want one. As far as a subject being a waste of effort- oh well. I feel the same way whenever another muscle car or Corvette kit is released. Not my thing, but I'm still happy to see them, because I know a lot of people out there WILL be quite happy with them. And if subjects like that sell and pad the manufacturer's bottom line a bit, maybe they'll put out something I do want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
62rebel Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 leave the body off the Hot Dogger and put an A, T, or '32 body on the chassis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Van Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 (edited) So was this ever a real show car ? Gotta laugh guys! The same board that is all gaga about stuffing Allison engines in Chevettes is concerned if this one is real? I'd say this one is more feasible than some of the models and ideas I see coming from the grown men on the board. Remember that this was an era of wild show rods, and the main consumer of model kits were kids.. actually the same folks who are now on the board in our age group! Back then any kit could do 500,000 copies and model companies could afford to commission 1:1 versions of their show rods. Now that I look at the Hot Dogger it reminded me that I have a laser cut copy of that kit that I believe Dave Van produced! Yep!!! I made a few of those.......Yeller, Mixer and Cashbox too.......Yeller and Mixer made it back......not sure why Cashbox never did.....Mine This was built LONG before Stoogie came out......frame and suspension had to be made. Edited March 7, 2015 by Dave Van Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace-Garageguy Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 With the revival of steampunk, I could see this one having an appeal, if only for the parts. Just what I was thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maindrian Pace Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 Fire Iron was the first show rod I ever built, and I really liked it because at 8 years old, it was the first glue kit that I built by myself that actually came out looking decent. Several more Daniel/Roth show rods came later, then custom vans, (this was the '70s) and finally cars. -MJS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbwelda Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 to put Ed Roths work on a plane with this kind of juvenile drivel is blasphemy on the memory of Mr Roth. jb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Van Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 to put Ed Roths work on a plane with this kind of juvenile drivel is blasphemy on the memory of Mr Roth. jb A bit rude to Mr John Bogosian, designer at AMT that did most of these showrods, isn't it??? I think it would be possible to say 'I prefer Mr Roth's work'....but to say it's blasphemy is a bit over the top IMHO. I never had the pleasure to meet John.....did meet Roth and Daniel....both nice guys.....and what I understand so was John. All three were talented designers to me anyway.......each his own style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbwelda Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 you miss my point. I said this current subject release is childish drivel, regardless of who designed it. I said that mentioning Ed Roth in that context was blasphemy. I didn't say the design of the current subject was blasphemy nor the designer. it doesn't have anything to do with how nice someone is. just wanted to clarify my thoughts jb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Geiger Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 leave the body off the Hot Dogger and put an A, T, or '32 body on the chassis. Yes! I have a couple of the Lil Stogie, which is the same chassis. I do plan on doing some kind of A or T rod on it someday. In fact looking at the Hot Dogger, it doesn't look a heck of a lot different than the recent Fruit Truck... and nobody had an issue with that one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keyser Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 Guys ask for 4 door base Granadas, and Gremlins, and diss this? It's fun. You don't like it? OK. Want everyone to agree with you? Not gonna happen. It's called open-minded. I like annuals. I like race cars. I like rods. I like customs. I like these. I hate (to me) boring cars like Gremlins, Vegas, 2-door post anythings, space/figure kits, any drag kit of '70 or later. Do I think they're wastes of plastic? Nope. Someone wants 'em. Would I buy one? Never. Is someone who buys one an idiot or the designers morons? Maybe, but not because of the kit . Railroaders and airplane/military modelers don't diss diversity. What is the point of it here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krazy Rick Posted March 8, 2015 Author Share Posted March 8, 2015 (edited) A bit rude to Mr John Bogosian, designer at AMT that did most of these showrods, isn't it??? I think it would be possible to say 'I prefer Mr Roth's work'....but to say it's blasphemy is a bit over the top IMHO. I never had the pleasure to meet John.....did meet Roth and Daniel....both nice guys.....and what I understand so was John. All three were talented designers to me anyway.......each his own style. Well, this is a tough call...... just because the person at Mcdonalds throws a hamburger together; does this put them on the same level as the person creating my $100 dinner at a fine dining establishment...... should I really be calling both of them chefs ? They may have thier own style, but one is clearly on a different plateau. Anyways, I believe Roth was more on the building & technical end; mainly the designs of the Roth cars were done by Ed Newton; so let's give him him the rightful cedit. Anyways, I still wish AMT would dig into the past offerings & produce the showrods which were actual vehicles, those all showrod fans could relate to; that perhaps they saw at shows & admired in magazines; I guess it's just a matter of taste though. Edited March 8, 2015 by Krazy Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Myers Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 Yep, by George. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Can-Con Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 Monkeemobile was done by Dean Jeffries. There would be an interesting thread ,,, "What cars have George Barris taken credit for that he' had nothing to do with?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Myers Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 (edited) What do I know? Got it off of a "Barris" site. You're right, good idea for a thread. He wasn't the only one http://www.jalopyjournal.com/?p=24617 Edited March 8, 2015 by Greg Myers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadrunner Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 Interesting how tastes can change over the years. At one time, I thought the AMT Dream Rod was the coolest model car ever. Right now I wouldn't own one if it was given to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krazy Rick Posted March 8, 2015 Author Share Posted March 8, 2015 (edited) Monkeemobile was done by Dean Jeffries. There would be an interesting thread ,,, "What cars have George Barris taken credit for that he' had nothing to do with?" That would probably end up being the largest thread on this site ....... according to George, he built every show car there ever was - he's dillusional. Heck, he's even tried to take credit for the Ed Newton designed / Joe Bailon built Pink Panther !! ....what's scary is, that there is still a goofy following that believe his tall tales.....if a car came in his shop for an oil lube, or a touch up; it came out with a Barris crest slapped on it. The "King Of Kustoms" ? hmmmm ............. perhaps The "Master Of Plagiarism" is more suiting - Don't get me wrong, he has done much for the custom & show car hobby, it's just a shame that he can't stand up & be proud of what he has really done , and just take credit for that which is deserving. Edited March 8, 2015 by Krazy Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maindrian Pace Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 Well, he did design this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadrunner Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 What model company did the Pink Panther? I always thought that car looked pretty cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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