turbo nova Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Since the H&M coyote is based on the old GT40 kit is there any hope/news of getting the GT40 kit repoped? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclescott58 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 I don't believe that was a GT40. It was some kind of kit car. In fact I think it was a car called the Coyote. Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo nova Posted December 30, 2014 Author Share Posted December 30, 2014 (edited) the H&M car was a coyote but the model of it that was recently rereleased used the chassis pan, suspension, engine etc. that was used in the old fundimension GT40mkII kit. everything except the upper body and the glass is the same. I have both kits, you can clearly see where the old fundimensions name was just ground off the chassis plate. Edited December 30, 2014 by turbo nova Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace-Garageguy Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 (edited) I think there's some confusion here. The AMT H&M Coyote kit is based on the MPC GT-40 Mk IV, not the AMT Mk II kit (at least, it shares nothing with the original AMT MkII I have). I have all 3 of them on the shelves and have just checked. Much of the underbody and guts is identical between the AMT Coyote and the MPC Mk. IV. This is, of course, prototypically totally incorrect. The REAL TV Coyote was built from molds pulled off of a McLaren M6GT, and was on a Beetle chassis. The M6GT was also cloned into the Manta Montage kit car, which could be assembled either Beetle-based or mid engined, and could be quite a potent machine. Another Manta kit-car, the Mirage, was loosely based on the McLaern M8 design. Edited December 30, 2014 by Ace-Garageguy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo nova Posted December 30, 2014 Author Share Posted December 30, 2014 you are correct, my mk's are off, been a long day. either way was hopeful to see the 40 kit repoped as it seems at least most of the molds are intact and in good shape Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinfan5 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 I think there's some confusion here. The AMT H&M Coyote kit is based on the MPC GT-40 Mk IV, not the AMT Mk II kit (at least, it shares nothing with the original AMT MkII I have). I have all 3 of them on the shelves and have just checked. Much of the underbody and guts is identical between the AMT Coyote and the MPC Mk. IV. This is, of course, prototypically totally incorrect. The REAL TV Coyote was built from molds pulled off of a McLaren M6GT, and was on a Beetle chassis. The M6GT was also cloned into the Manta Montage kit car, which could be assembled either Beetle-based or mid engined, and could be quite a potent machine. Another Manta kit-car, the Mirage, was loosely based on the McLaern M8 design. Pretty interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclescott58 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 So could Round 2 reissue the GT40 Mk IV in its original form? What did Hardcastle and McCormick Coyote model kit look like? A GT40 Mk IV or a real Coyote? Any photos? I'd love to see MPC's GT40 Mk IV reissued. Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunkypeanutbutter Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 So could Round 2 reissue the GT40 Mk IV in its original form? What did Hardcastle and McCormick Coyote model kit look like? A GT40 Mk IV or a real Coyote? Any photos? I'd love to see MPC's GT40 Mk IV reissued. Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace-Garageguy Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 (edited) What did Hardcastle and McCormick Coyote model kit look like? A GT40 Mk IV or a real Coyote? Any photos? Scott It LOOKS (the body, anyway) like a season-1 Coyote, which looks like a Manta Montage, which looks like a customized McLaren M6GT. Nothing at all like a GT-40 MkIV. The MkIV chrome tree was modified (4 of 5 wheels were changed) to make the Coyote kit, and new tooling was done to make the body. If the original tools for the MkIV still exist, who knows? Edited December 30, 2014 by Ace-Garageguy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclescott58 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 (edited) Okay, I just got done looking at the AMT Hardcastle and McCormick Coyote on a Google search. That sure is not a GT40. So, did they ruin their old GT Mk IV to make that thing? And I'm sorry, but to me at least, that thing is just plain ugly. I was very disappointed to see what I found in my search. Scott Edited December 30, 2014 by unclescott58 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo nova Posted December 30, 2014 Author Share Posted December 30, 2014 honestly the kit looks better in person lol. the horizontal seam down the side of the body seperates the top from the bottom, the top half and add on scoop on the lower quarter are all coyote, everything chassis pan down is GT40 kit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace-Garageguy Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 (edited) The Coyote (Manta Mirage) was based on the McLaren M6GT design, but like most kit-cars, lost rather a lot in the translation. REAL McLaren M6GT... Edited December 30, 2014 by Ace-Garageguy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddyfink Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 The original box art made it look so much better! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afx Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Jeremy Jon was working on a very nice Coyote resin kit. Not sure if he has finished it. Here is the link. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afx Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 The original box art made it look so much better! Deceptive box art - shocking! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exotics_Builder Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Pretty interesting I have both the Coyote and Mark IV downstairs, and Ace hit it on the head. The Mark IV was first and it seems they used that as the basis for the Coyote rather than do a prototypically correct version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cartpix Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 It looks like, with some work (a lot of work), you could build a McClaren MK. 6 GT, from a H&C kit. Has anyone tried? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclescott58 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 (edited) So this comes around to another thread, does anybody make a model of the Ford GT40 Mk IV any more? Scott Edited December 30, 2014 by unclescott58 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afx Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 So this comes around to another thread, does anybody make a model of the Ford GT40 Mk IV any more? Scott There are resin kits but I am not aware of any plastic kits currently in production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vamach1 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 The resin MKIV kit is out of production. http://www.islandcollectibles.net/images/lmm124053.jpg You can find the Testrs/IMC/Union or MPC versions on Ebay for $50 give or take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webestang Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 FYI..... The Manta Mirage was one of the 48 cars stolen in the original 1974 movie version of Gone In 60 Seconds. And it looks just like the one in H&M save for the color and name on the side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace-Garageguy Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 FYI..... The Manta Mirage was one of the 48 cars stolen in the original 1974 movie version of Gone In 60 Seconds. And it looks just like the one in H&M save for the color and name on the side. FYI...actually, no. The Manta Mirage and the Manta Montage are two entirely different cars. You're correct, a Mirage was stolen in 60 Seconds, The Mirage has the characteristic McLaren M8 front wheel opening shape, like this... While a Montage ( the Hardcastle car) looks very different, and is a semi-clone of a McLaren M6 GT... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister 4x4 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Actually, that picture of the Coyote is not a Manta kit - it's a Marauder McLaren kit car released by Marauder as a replica to their M6BGT. The key difference is also in the wheel openings. http://www.allcarindex.com/auto-car-model/United-States-Marauder-McLaren-MkVI/ Marauder McLaren Manta Montage Marauder McLaren Manta Montage Since the Coyote X was built by George Barris for the show, it appears as if there's a bit of a blend between the two. Base body is the Marauder McLaren kit, no doubt... but the door latch placement and a few other subtle cues speak to the Montage. The DeLorean version from seasons 2 & 3 was an abortion and should've never been made, IMHO. Between that, and kids learning the car wasn't a major star of the show (like K.I.T.T., Airwolf, and even the General Lee), they lost interest and the show fizzled quickly. Too bad... it was OK for the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace-Garageguy Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 (edited) Actually, that picture of the Coyote is not a Manta kit - it's a Marauder McLaren kit car released by Marauder as a replica to their M6BGT. The key difference is also in the wheel openings. Actually, that photo is supposedly of the actual surviving Coyote, which is neither a Marauder or a Montage. Since the Coyote X was built by George Barris for the show, it appears as if there's a bit of a blend between the two. Base body is the Marauder McLaren kit, no doubt... but the door latch placement and a few other subtle cues speak to the Montage. T OK, my bad implying the Coyote was a Manta Montage, which was a later development kinda based on the M6 GT as well. BUT the phony Montage and the phony Coyote and the phony Marauder McLaren are all obviously based on a REAL Mclaren M6GT design, and the Manta is based on the real M8. Also, Mike Fennell, not the ubiquitous Barris, is credited with the Coyote X. WikiPee entry: "The car that McCormick drove, the Coyote X, was built from custom molds based on the McLaren M6GT.[1] The original Coyote X was molded, modified and assembled by Mike Fennel. The nose, windshield doors and lower body (minus the ventral intakes) are faithful representations of the McLaren; the cut down rear deck, however, was a custom component that became a feature on many Manta Montage kits with damaged or removed rear windows. The most noticeable differences between the Coyotes and Mantas are the wheel wells, roll pan height and shape, and the fact that the Coyote has a one piece front clip that terminates about an inch before and surrounding the windshield. Most of the cars made for the show were molded and assembled by either Mike Fennel or Unique Movie Cars. Like many kit cars of the time, the car uses a chassis from a Volkswagen Beetle and its engine from aPorsche 914." Edited December 30, 2014 by Ace-Garageguy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbwelda Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 just to make this thread more confusing, isn't that a real live Lotus Elite parked next to the Coyote? Or the Manta? Or the Mirage? Or the Montage? Sure looks like it to me but I am easily confused, obviously jb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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