Robberbaron

Real glad to see the Squad Rod returning, just a few months ago we had a thread discussing this possibility. I suppose the Pontiac engine is no big deal to me, no shortage of SBCs in my parts box that I can throw in there. Of course I don't plan to use the police parts, but it's always nice to have them for the parts box, especially the 1/25th scale arsenal that's included on that parts tree. All these smog era reissues are getting my hopes up that we might see the Chevette reissued, and maybe a Monza 2+2. I've got an old Pro Street Rick Dobbertin J2000 chassis that I've been wanting to slip under a small body, preferably a Chevette.

Good news on the Pacer having the stock build option. Custom-only would be pointless for most people...

Now THAT is cool! I think I've stated it before, but I'll say it again: I'm totally fine with the slightly reduced parts count/simplification in kits like this, so long as Revell nails the basic body and proportions. If it looks correct sitting on my shelf, I'm good. From Bill's pics, this sure looks pretty good to me... Knowledgeable sources have indicated the next version of this tool will be a 442 (I believe they say it will be a 1985), with the option of building it as an FE3-X (prototype created by Olds with ground effects package, never offered for production). The 442s did not have the add on power bulge, so that version should offer a basic flat hood.

Was able to sneak over there right when the doors opened, quite impressed by the number of vendors selling kits. Way more people selling models than I've seen previously. Wound up getting some rockin' deals on some stuff, but I behaved and only spent what I had in my pocket (no trips to the ATM) ? They have another show scheduled for April in Crown Point, going to need to try to make that one, too. Really need to dig out some of my junk that I'm never going to build and try to sell it, just don't think I'll be able to get around to it in time for the April show...

Might have to try to sneak over from my work, maybe at lunch time. Haven't hit one of the "Santa" shows in quite a few years. Glad to hear you'll be there selling. I used to attend these shows regularly, but here were usually very few people selling kits.

I also suspect that you don't always drink beer, but when you do, you prefer Dos Equis! ?

Did notice that the $36.95 version is the "Original Art Series" version. The "regular" version is listed for $34.95. LITTLE bit better, but still... Other observations: anyone else notice the AMT 1977 Pacer wagon? Guess the MPC Pacer must have sold well enough. Hoping it can be built stock? (I believe the last time it was available in the late 70s/early 80s, it was that custom-only version with the Monza-looking headlights) Also listing an AMT 1961 Impala SS. Sounds like another one of the "good" Lindberg tools that they're reissuing as an AMT, like the "Lawman" Plymouth. Or is it possible that it's actually the '62 Impala, and Stevens mistakenly listed it as a '61?

I also have serious concerns about some of Round 2's recent pricing on certain kits. Even with some of the retooled parts in some of the recent kits, 90% + of the box contents is identical to previous, recent reissues. Yes, Round 2 does add value usually by including their awesome pad-printed tires, and nice retro decals and box art. But it's often awful hard to justify ~$30 MSRP on some of these Round 2 kits when some of the completely new (i.e. totally new tooling) Revell and Moebius kits are retailing for less. I've given up guessing how Round 2 determines when they're going to retool parts for certain reissues. Some reissues, such as the '36 Ford, receive extensive retooled parts. Many other reissues have no changes from the last time the kit was available (except maybe tires/decals/artwork). A couple recent reissues were disappointing to me since I was hoping Round 2 would take the initiative to add or correct some details that have been wrong for decades on some of their tooling: The rear bumper/taillight assembly for the AMT '69 Chevelle kits was mangled back in the '70s, and the only way to get one of these builds to look decent is to use the Modelhaus repop parts from the original issue. I really expected Round 2 to retool/correct this issue in their recent reissue of the '69 convertible, but it's still the same mess it's been for decades. Similar situations are the new MPC Barracuda reissue that's still is missing it's backup lights, and the '84 GMC "Deserter" that still has the mis-matched grill/bumper and only 1/20 size tires.

Hobby Lobby finally dropped their sticker price by $3 on the MPC '79 Trans Ams (originally when they showed up they were $29.99). The cost decrease plus the trusty 40% off coupon got the price down just enough that I was willing to spring for it. (Been on the fence for a while about this one - Round 2 was, shall we say, a little overly optimistic on their MSRP on this one) Didn't go there planning to get it, but they didn't have any of the new releases I was looking for.

The more I look at the box art posted on Round 2's site, the more I'm suspecting that this may really just be a quick and dirty reissue of the RC2 era kit, with new retro looking box art (I don't believe this "Deserter" version ever was originally issued in the '80s). If you look closely at this new box art you will see that they are still showing the goofy panel lines that were added for the Fall Guy storage compartments. Also, if the box art is accurate, it still has the bumper mounted turn signals, which I believe were 81-82 only, not correct for an '84. (This would also be unchanged from the RC2 issue) Biggest red flag for me is their repeated description of "oversized" tires. Sounds like they might still be including the 1/20 scale rolling stock: http://round2corp.com/product/1984-gmc-pickup-white/ If these are hitting the shelves now, I guess we'll find out soon enough. Gotta admit I'll probably still get one regardless, since it's the only game in town for an '81+ C/K...

I seem to recall that the first set of test shots for the roadster that Revell publicly displayed actually had a Dana rear end, so maybe it changed more than once from the initial design. At least the 9" is a common choice in the 1:1 world, which is probably the reason they switched to that from the Dana. Imagine the bellyaching if they'd followed through with that one...

Don't forget the Caddy mill in the Revell Merc kits, or the 348 in their '58 Impala. Come to think of it, I think the only first generation GM OHV V8 NOT recently tooled by Revell would be the Pontiac, but there are other sources such as the AMT '62 Pontiac, the new Moebius '61 kits, or the old parts packs...

I think the bulk of Round 2's catalog WILL continue to be comprised of kits that have been available at some point in the last 20 years, simply out of necessity. If they have tooling for a kit that they know they can reissue with only some routine maintenance/cleanup, that's going to be an easy way to generate profits. And certain kits will always sell well, such as the '58 Impala. They've been doing a great job generating interest with their box art and improved decal sheets, and they've done quite a bit of backdating/restoration of a lot of these kits, such as the '36 Ford. The profit from all of these more recently available kits IS allowing them to also reissue kits that haven't been available for decades. Every year for the last several years, they've managed to bring out several kits that haven't been seen in a long time, often since they were first issued. The '75 and '76 Gremlins come to mind, along with the '78 Pacer. The '80 Volare, the Pinto wagon, and the backdated Bruce Larson Vega are all upcoming examples of this as well. They might not be what certain people want, but it doesn't mean they aren't doing it...

To follow up on what Boss 302 said, for the most part, you usually can't take individual parts from one tool and put them in another. (I believe that sometimes wheel inserts are interchangeable between tools.) Most of the parts you see on a parts tree are all machined out of a single hunk of tool steel. Or actually two hunks - top and bottom for each parts tree. Sometimes it is possible to use an entire parts tree from one kit in another kit, such as engine/transmission components, as long as all those necessary parts are on the same parts tree. On rare occasions kit manufacturers have combined newer components from one kit with an older body. The best known example of this might be the AMT '70 Coronet Super Bee kit, which used the old MPC body and interior tub with the newer chaasis/mechanicals from the '68 Roadrunner/'69 GTX kits. Even in this case, however, the builder needed to trim the chassis and the glass from the Roadrunner to actually fit in the Coronet body. Regarding some of the kits you mentioned, MOST of the kits that AMT designed and released in the '90s are good quality "modern" style tooling with excellent detail. The '68 Camaro you mentioned was actually developed in the late '70s, so it's a nearly 40 year old design now. Nevertheless, it has separate drivetrain and exhaust components, unlike the "plate" or promo style chassis such as the '66 Mustang. Currently available AMT kits range from the top detail mid-90s designs, all the way back to the Ford Falcon Ranchero kit, which was originally released in 1961, and recently was backdated with a newly tooled 1960 grille and hubcaps for the "Ohio George" version. The only way to truly know what you're getting is to research a potential kit purchase on a forum such as this. Round 2 does also include a depiction of the entire kit contents on their box bottoms. Kind of hard to make out all the specifics, but you can at least see if there's separate chassis components, engine components, etc.

So in other words, nix the idea of using it as a parts source (except maybe the tree from the AMT '34 truck)...

Thanks for confirming, Colby. Kind of expected that. I concur that it shouldn't be too hard to fab something up, just a matter of convenience. I'd be willing to shell out some dinero to save myself some time, plus get those additional parts that weren't in the Ertl issue. But since I'd still need to fab those lights with this new reissue, I think I'll pass. Just as well, my buying budget is going to be stretched thin with all the other stuff that's in the pipeline from Round 2, Revell, and Moebius.

I seem to recall that MPC never added the backup lights on the rear valance when they updated the tooling for the '69 model year, and they were never added afterwards on subsequent reissues, either. Can you confirm if they've added them for this reissue, either engraved on the valance or (even better) separate parts on the chrome tree? Not getting my hopes up, just curious. If they bothered doing that, I just might pick one of these up, even though I have an Ertle era version. I'll admit it's also nice that they've retooled the 5-spoke mags, at least there's now a realistic wheel option now (still get a chuckle every time I see those 6-lug "modular" eighties-style wheels in this kit. I guess you can toss them in the parts box to try to use them on a truck at some point).

I guess we're straying a bit further off the '34 Ford topic here, but anyone know the story of this '25 T kit, as well? I've never heard it mentioned as being an old Palmer or Pyro tool. Seems like maybe something similar to the Lindberg '40 Ford coupe: a rip-off by Lindberg of the AMT Tall T? Definitely are differences, since it has a flathead instead of the AMT's Lincoln V8. I was also surprised a couple months ago to hear that they decided to throw that T-Bird engine into this reissue. I was kind of thinking of getting one of these just for a parts source, but I don't know if any of the parts are decent enough to bother using on anything else (aside from the AMT T-Bird engine, maybe).

Mark, you beat me to it regarding those 3 different '40 Ford coupe tools now all being in the Round 2 fold. Since that MPC Mercury already has the 1950 side trim, seems like Round 2 could fairly easily tool up a 1950 grille assembly to make that kit a bit more unique and set it apart a bit more from the classic AMT '49 kit. Would probably spur some better sales.

Really like what I'm seeing so far. Also, very happy to see a second set of wheels being included in some of these new Moebius kits like this one and the upcoming '65 Belvedere.

There's about a hundred other kits where you can get a Hemi to stick in there, if that's what your really want. Don't see why that should be a deal breaker for anyone...

Those are actually Buick Road Wheels, look somewhat similar to Magnums, but they're a different design. As far as I know, Buick never offered Magnums 500s from the factory on any of their models, since they had the road wheels instead.

Correct that it's a convertible interior, however, Johan may never have made a correct hardtop interior. It was pretty common back in the 1960s to design one interior tub with the doglegs, and use it for both the convertible and hardtop kits and promos. In addition to many other Johan kits, a lot of the vintage AMT kits also used this method, such as the '64 Impala.

Several other 1980s & 1990s issued Johan kits had similar issues. The Javelin AMX "Pro Stock" had a '72 rear bumper/taillight assembly, I believe, yet the rear of the body was for the 73/74 design taillight panel, so the '72 taillights ended up "floating" in the opening. They also ended up sticking the front seats from the '68 Cadillac in the '64 Caddy kits (or was it the other way around? Been awhile since I looked at those, either way, the front seat had a VERY different upholstery pattern compared to the rear seat molded into the tub.) Not sure if Johan always did it this way, but by the 1980s/90s, at least some of the Johan kits had taillights that were molded in normal clear plastic, then coated with clear red. I found this out after I installed the taillights in a body, and THEN decided to clear coat the body with Testors Gloss Coat. (gimme a break - I was a kid!) The Testors dissolved the red coating and it bled out into the clear coat in the area surrounding the taillights. Think this might have been on the Comet Pro Stock kit? Once it happened, it made sense why the red taillights in so many of my Johan kits looked funky: it all depended on how evenly/thickly the red overcoating was applied. In a lot of my Johan kits, the taillights seem to have almost an orange tinge, I think it's just that the red coating was applied too thinly. Chirstian, thanks for posting the contents of this '62 Dodge. I bought a pretty good assortment of Johan kits when I was a kid, but never got around to getting the 62 Dodges/Plymouths, or the '63 Plymouth. By the time I decided that I did want them, they were unavailable like all the others...