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Not Steve, but based on what the annual kits came with, I’d call it an “annual-style wire axle chassis”. In the case of the annual Coronet kits from ‘68-‘70, they used wire axles front and rear with hole-in-the-engine-block”. The promos used essentially the same chassis, but with an insert representing the lower engine, and larger diameter axles with wheels that did not have separate backs, but instead had the axle receiver cast as part of the wheel. Some old AMT annual kits included the corresponding lower engine insert (‘70–‘71 Thunderbird, maybe others?), but to my knowledge, none of the MPC kits ever did. It would be neat if Round 2 included a lower engine insert for this kit, as I think it was the same piece used in the MPC Charger promos, too. And maybe they will do plastic stubs for the front axles instead of a hole in the block? There are benefits and drawbacks to both the front wire axle (hole in block, for one), as well as plastic axle pins (front wheels sag). I’m coming around to like “wire axle” builds - not everything I build has to have a super detailed chassis anymore.

Aww man…Round 2- take my money!!! I think the retro clone route was the way to go- newer tools just don’t have the cool optional parts (and nostalgia value) that the old annuals have. I saw this with the Olds Cutlasses & Nova wagons and REALLY hoped this would be the route they would take with a ‘68 Coronet!

We’ll, I still have a few original Coronet hoods, as well as some Charger hoods with the same problems, so I’ll keep this in the pocket. Thanks again!

Also- I gotta say- the Charger and the Bronco are definitely steps in the right direction. Well detailed and executed kits of modern subjects. I know we can’t get them all anymore, but I’m sure there will be plenty of interest in these!!! Here’s a free product idea for Round 2: tool up a Hellcat/ Hellcrate engine & transmission. Also tool up a shipping crate for them, and some other MOPAR goodies (like maybe the Demon crate and parts, wheels & tires, etc.). Offer two engines in a full size box with said goodies, as sort of a super-sized parts pack. I think a ton of builders would buy these to place those engines in other kits.

Love these- especially the Super Bee!!!

Thanks, Mark. I’ll keep notes on this process. I definitely want to get to some of these soon!

Call me one of the chorus. The new Coronets will inspire me to fire up my debit card. I’m also in on the new Charger kit! In looking at the sample in the pictures, it looks mostly like the original. It does look like they have made some subtle corrections though- for one, there is the gap between the top edge of the front fenders and the cowl panel- which none of the MPC Coronets ever had! Also, the grille looks perhaps a bit more accurate than the original to my eyes. Maybe the new hood won’t have such severe cut lines for the custom version as the originals, so they won’t show up as ghosts under light paint. Now, I look toward modifying one of these to Super Bee configuration (I have a few extra ‘70 bodies that can give up roof sections) and perhaps building one as the Dick Landy drag car. I have been increasingly picky about my purchases lately, but I’m definitely gonna need several of these.

Call me one of the chorus! The new Coronets will inspire me to fire up my debit card!!! I don’t mind that the Coronet will be coming with a simplified chassis, if the body is of the same proportions as the original and ‘70 Super Bee, then it will be easy enough to throw the ‘68 Road Runner guts under it. In looking at the sample in the picture, it looks mostly like the original. It does look like they have made some subtle corrections though- for one, there is the gap between the top edge of the front fenders and the cowl panel- which none of the MPC Coronets ever had! Also, the grille looks perhaps a bit more accurate than the original to my eyes. I’m hoping that the bumpers and other things are somewhat “backwards compatible” to the originals, since it seems that the buildups that I used to come across were almost always incomplete. Maybe the new hood won’t have such severe cut lines for the custom version as the originals, so they won’t show up as ghosts under light paint. Now, I look toward modifying one of these to Super Bee configuration (I have a few extra ‘70 bodies that can give up roof sections) and perhaps building one as the Dick Landy drag car. I have been increasingly picky about my purchases lately, but I’m definitely gonna need several of these.

Looking at those chips, yes, I think it was Q3. I think that’s what I ordered. The car was really, really good looking in real life.

Yeah- I dig those wheelcovers. Once again, you and I seem to like the same stuff! I have a real one in my basement from an old junkyard trip. I already sort of forgot where I got the tires from. I believe they are the ones from the newest MPC ‘78 Dodge Pickup. They have to be, judging by how clean they are!!! I think this chassis is the only way to go on C Body builds. The C body chassis is just different enough to warrant it. The B Body chassis is sort of close, but the K member is very different. I think if somebody wanted to master one based on the MPC ‘65-‘66 Monaco chassis, that would be the way to go for most of Robert’s C body offerings. I did go on www.paintscratch.com and got a can of 1970 Turquoise. It looks a little darker than I remember, but fortunately, they sell big cans, so I’m going to test it out on something else before I shoot this body.

I would also say very good! I got his 1970 Dodge Polara 4 door. I’m going to make it into a replica of my dad’s driver from the early 70’s. It was probably the car I was brought home in. It was a REAL looker for a 4 door- light turquoise with a black vinyl top and interior. It had those funky 15” wheel covers with the dark gray paint treatment that you also saw on ‘69 Chargers. I got mine in resin from Fireball Modelworks. For the interior, I’m stretching the tub from an MPC ‘77 Monaco 4 door. For the dash, I’m going to try to cobble something together from some old junk E Body dashes I have. For the chassis- I’m using an old MPC ‘65 Monaco unit, with some modifications. The engine will be my favorite- the one from the Revell ‘68-‘69 Dart kits.

Two good (but expired) sources that I know of: the old Ross Gibson Rat Roaster Hemi engine, and what I think is a recast of the Gibson piece done by an eBay seller out of Tennessee several years ago. Neither are currently produced. I don’t think this exact intake was ever offered in a plastic kit. The Ross Gibson engine is an entire engine kit (one of about a dozen or more varieties he offered). He did not offer any of his parts separately. They come up for sale on eBay from time to time. There have been others offered, but they never looked right to me. Some were simply recasts of the old MPC generic stock car intake.

Try these. I have bought some of this stuff, it’s pretty nice… https://www.shapeways.com/shops/general-lee-creations?section=&sort=newest

The latest Fast and Furious kit will get you very, very close. The revised GTX interior is the same as a Satellite Sebring Plus. The F&F kit comes with the twin scoop hood and the Rallye wheels. I think it comes with the 4 bbl intake, so you could make that engine look like a 383 (which was the top option for the SSP in ‘71). You could carve out the GTX emblem in the grille and add a Road Runner Head shaped blob of something there, cast one from an MPC grille, or get one in resin from Greg Wann. If you really wanted to, you could correct the rocker mouldings to the flat SSP style- maybe just grind off the GTX mouldings and add new ones made out of flat plastic. The pinstripes and emblems would be much harder, as there is no source for these either as decals or photo etched pieces, but you almost can’t see them on film.

My educated guess is: that car was a ‘71 Satellite Sebring Plus with a Road Runner hood and grille bird added. The rocker trim moulding is the wide (2” plus) flat style that was SSP only that year. GTX’s had a wide moulding but with ribs, like in the revised kit. Road Runners either had no moulding, or a thin (1”) moulding like the lesser models. The emblems on the fenders and trunk lid seem to be SSP emblems. The canopy roof was a popular item on SSP’s. Lastly, one of the pics shows the SSP only pinstripe that goes up the upper quarters and over the rear window. H.B. Halicki probably had access to a SSP and spiffed it up with the hood and grille to make it look a little more racy for the movie. Otherwise, a buyer might have talked a dealer into adding that hood to a SSP, but the guide books indicate that no performance hoods were available on anything expect for Road Runners and GTX’s. It wouldn’t have made sense to add all of the lesser SSP details to a Road Runner.

The base “flat” hood is more or less like Casey’s picture. The master is a bit wrong at the back end, there should not be a bump on that edge just after the cowl vents, that area was flat with the cowl vent area on the standard hood. The standard hood was available on 2 door Satellite Models except for the Road Runner and GTX. To my knowledge, the twin scoop/ birdbath hood was not available on any Satellite model except for the Road Runner and GTX- that was the standard hood for both of those models. You might have been able to talk a dealer into swapping one onto your new Satellite, however (for the right price). Back then, dealers would do a lot more to make a sale. The fresh air “Air Grabber” hood was a standard Satellite hood that had a hole cut in the middle, with a Fiberglas dome, trap door, lower air cleaner surround, and mechanisms added. Grilles for ‘71 were the same across the board. The only differences were the paint treatments (light silver for Satellites and Satellite Sebrings, black and dark argent for Satellite Sebring Plus, Road Runner and GTX models), and emblems. You either got a “Plymouth” nameplate (base cars), a red/white/blue rectangular emblem (Satellite Sebring and Sebring Plus), Road Runner head, or GTX nameplate in the middle of the grille. They all might have had different part numbers, but they were all essentially the same 3 piece plastic grille. For ‘72, the grilles more or less followed the same ‘71 scheme (with the same or very nearly the same grille as in ‘71), except that ‘72 Road Runners got their own swoopier new grille, and the GTX was no longer a separate model (in ‘72, GTX’s were basically 440 equipped Road Runners).

And now that I think about it, maybe I regret not pulling the trigger on that parts lot just a little bit… ;)

Sox and Martin did prepare a ‘71 Road Runner… And regarding the Monogram ‘71 “Satellite”, I think it was a case of them developing a ‘71 Road Runner kit, they discovered problems with the Road Runner license late in the process, and then they simply decided to call it a Satellite. As far as the optional parts we’re seeing, they were simply developing street machine parts that were similar to the ones in their ‘71 Hemi Cuda, ‘70 GTX, etc. I don’t think much thought went into the hood. In the early 80’s, I don’t think the people at Monogram were thinking too much about replicas of old drag cars then, although those optional hoods do look funky, sort of like a ‘73-‘74 RR hood, which I have seen added to ‘71’s in 1:1 on occasion.

? You’re welcome! I’m glad it went to somebody who realizes what it is. It’s been out there for a few weeks, too! I considered it, but I already have a lot of Satellite parts, and I don’t have a lot of room for “history”. I kind of forgot about it until I saw this thread. That hood doesn’t look like anything like what could be had in 1:1. The bulge almost looks like the one from the ‘73-‘74 Road Runner.

I’m thinking this must be test shot parts. I have never seen ‘71 GTX or Satellite parts molded in blue, nor have I ever seen the custom hoods shown, or a tunnel ram intake included in any release of a ‘71… https://www.ebay.com/itm/Large-Lot-Misc-Parts-Vintage-Monogram-1971-Plymouth-Satellite-1-24-Model-2213-/224846654863?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l6249&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0

If you wanted to do a better Hemi in 1/24, you could always try to start with a Monogram 440 block, and add Hemi heads and an intake from another engine that fit that 440 block. The 440 and Hemi blocks weren’t all that different in 1:1. Also, the Hemi Cuda Hemi doesn’t have a water pump, while the Monogram 440’s (Super Bee, Road Runner, GTX) do.

Now normally, I would usually get a little hot on the back of my neck at a suggestion like this ?…and think of other subjects that are more sorely needed ?…but in this case, i think it would be really nice if we got an all-new, detailed and accurate ‘57 Nomad and ‘57 Sedan Delivery. Surely they could be done from the same tool? ?

You have hope for a few of these. The MPC ‘67 Charger was put out just a few years ago. Same with the Pinto Wagon. The “Smokey” Dart was done as a special limited release about 20 years ago, so it looks like Round 2 can change some of that tool around and produce it either as the stock/ drag Dart or the Smokey kit. The rest of your list gets a little dicey. The Force 440 will probably never be coming back, as MPC changed the body and interior for that kit from a 2 door Monaco Sport to a 4 door nearly 40 year ago. The 2 door body and interior might be gone forever. You can still find buildable Force 440’s for not too much money sometimes. The Cop Out was a Monogram kit, and that one has been rereleased numerous times. The 70’s Dodge Pickups are questionable. It depends upon whether or not they still have the 4x4 parts. The Warlock is basically a 4x4 Lil Red with bed rails, while the 4x4 pickup could be done if they can find the long bed 4x4 parts (which really might have become shortbed parts, if they were modified for the Warlock release in around 1978). I think Round 2 should look at reproducing the Dodge long bed 4x4 parts and Warlock wagon wheels, use the old Desert Dog Formula tires, tool up a new roll bar, and release a long bed Macho Wagon. They could do a retro box in the style of the old Warlock, Road Runner Super Pak and Firebird Blackbird boxes from ‘78 (with factory photos and illustrations) and offer that “missing link”. That would be a super cool offering that I think would sell very well. The last 2nd gen Camaro tool they have left is the MPC kit from about 1981. From what I remember, that one was a bit of a hot mess (big block engine left over from the early 70’s releases, bumpers and flares that don’t fit too well). Still, the originals finally seem to be drying up, so that could be worth a shot. One of the ‘72 Chevelles could be nice, but from what I remember of that one, the grille was butchered. They would have to tool up a decent grille for it, otherwise, it would be neat to see that one get the retro box/ expanded decals / new tires treatment.

I’m in for a Bluesmobile Monaco kit! I would be fine with a curbside, as long as the body’s proportions were very good. Round 2 could work off of their 1/18 tool, as that one has the look of that car down, I would say it has the edge over Greenlight’s 1/24 diecast. Round 2 could perhaps tool the body so that different grille surrounds and grilles could be used, so that they could offer the later “Royal Monaco” (hidden headlight) front grille setup, as most of the Illinois State Police squads chasing the Bluesmobile in the movie used that front end. I believe all Monacos made after 1975 used that hidden headlight front end. Also, Plymouth front end styling could be tooled up, so that Plymouths could be offered. My Dad drove a ‘76 Plymouth ex-Philadelphia service Gran Fury for several years, and he also briefly had an ex-highway patrol ‘76 Royal Monaco, so I would love to be able to build both of those cars. Those Dodges and Plymouths had the majority of the Police market share in the US in the ‘70’s. Many, many state and local agencies used those cars, so lots of State and local police cars, as well as TV and movie cars could be offered from one well designed tool.

The slot wheels in the Salvino’s kits are much nicer than the ones in the Polar Lights kits. The Salvino’s kits come with 3 sets of wheels each- chromed slots, unchromed slots and unchromed steel Holman Moody wheels, so- lots of extra parts in those Salvino’s kits!!!