Dave Van

To be somewhat relevant I can't see going back to Pinto days to show how bad someone else is. Like my kids when teens.....one would get into trouble and then remind me the other sibling wrecked his car last year.........NOT RELEVANT to what happened today!!!!!! Otherwise we dig up all the Corvair issues, or every other issue that happened LAST CENTURY. I don't even see an issue with recalls.......cover up I see an issue. No matter who or what.......Cars can have bigger negative outcomes than a junky cell phone or TV set.

This is not a 'I hate GM' thread......this is 'look how this corporation, that we trust our children and our own lives to, really doesn't care what happens to us. It's a symptom of a much larger, bigger than GM, problem for the USA..... I'll say it again....if this was a cell phone manufacture they would be closing the doors today....no one would ever touch their product again.

Very nice work!!!!!!!! I hated the car when I was a kid....now I'd own one....funny how things change!

Per GM at the Fed hearing today the Recall for this year alone has now crossed the 20 million mark.....WOW!!!!! Not beating anything...just a correction!!!!

To be honest we should all be very thankful for what we are getting......FANTASTIC stuff......these guys paying the bills could make more money doing something a lot less stressful and easier.......

I was trying to make a point that while all makers have recalls......it boils down to the severity and possible end result of the failure that makes the GM situation so horrible. BTW.....none of the recalled Fit springs were broken....not per the mechanic that did mine....it was the fact they COULD....again very different than the GM issue. BINGO!!!!

Recalls alone do not tell the whole story. Even GM admits MANY deaths associated with it's recalls. My Honda recall was a spring in the VTEC system IF IT HAD failed would reduce HP by 10-15 but not a SINGLE death or even real world failure was recorded. The spring failed in the lab....very different situation......

I get that........and why I took my Honda to a dealership in Ohio that had done over 100 recalls on the Fits before mine. The guy they had was doing it in half the time Honda said it would take. But when you start talking about almost 18 million cars over the 40,000 Honda had to fix.......15 minutes each is mind boggling.....

A Smart 451 has different size tires on the back than on the front axle. Also they are uni directional. So which spare would you carry?? Miss it until you need it....yep....it happens.......but when we hit road debris in NC and destroyed a tire.....we had a roll back on site in a few minutes.....we were down about 2.5 hours....but what would have happened if we were driving a current Vette???? No spare there either. And while we do use our Smart as a road car....they are intended as a city car.....theory being help is always near.....

How are they going to supply the parts to fix them all.....but a bigger question may be the man hours needed to fix them all.......you can only get some many hours a day from a mechanic. A truly sad state for a one time great American corp..........

My Smart 451 has four different tires......so like the Vette no spare or room for one! It does have a jack, tire sealer and a air pump on board!

Saturn's are a real GM anomaly.......some outside the box engineering was done on those cars. The spin on trans filter on many models was a FANTASTIC idea!!! Not a hater but I think Saturn, as it was started, was too good for GM.

I know better than jump in here......... Per the inflation calculator a kit today vs a kit produced in 1965 should cost $15. OK....that's still less than MSRP today. AMT could sell 700,000 1965 Mustang kits and not advertise or promote at all. Add to that Ford had payed for the 1965 Mustang molds via the promos etc. Raw materials have gone up more than the rate of inflation. Otherwise gas should be $2 a gallon....see.......???? In 1965 there were a lot more model builders......I didn't know a single kid that Didn't build..... And most of us had a hobby shop nearby. Today...... Add licensing fees paid to the manufactures in place of payments from auto manufactures. Greatly decrease the number of stores carrying your product. Greatly decrease the number of model builders. A kit sells a lot less than those 700,000 Mustangs or even 1.5 million Dukes Chargers.....Sold today??? I'll stay away from that one. See where we are going??? Do the math....it's easy to see. Want a hobby that's expensive??? Come on over to O scale 3 rail trains with me!!!! Lionel's new UP Big Boy retails $2200.00 IF you can get one.

'LISTS' of good and bad are always suspect....I rely on purely independent reports....and NONE of them are produced by the US government!!!! Also....to keep your arguments, pro and con, relevant and viable.....lets refer to product produced in THIS century and not LAST century.

Same here.....Dad has a FLEX with the twin turbo V-6....and you are right....scary fast!!!

I was not impressed with photos of the 15......then changed greatly after seeing and touching one at the 50TH Mustang show in Charlotte.....much different. The back window looks like it could drop into my 1966 2+2 Mustang!! Tulip panel too!

Every auto maker has had issues......these are machines,,,,,, The size, scope, magnitude and attitude at GM is what makes this one so different....... 14 Million cars recalled in 160 days.......gotta be a record. The number is hard to even imagine.....

The reason for the failure was studied at great length by one of the news agency's. The issue was a locking pin in the tumbler. GM choose a short pin switch that was ONE CENT less than a long pin version.

Ford says a sun roof does not work correctly with the geometry of the Mustang roof.....at least not long term....I tend to agree too.....The double curve would be hard to engineer and keep working right for years. And I don't like 'em anyways!

My son and I saw the real thing at the Mustang 50th show at Charlotte Motor Speedway in April. Both the 14 and 15 Mustangs are tough! Selling my 68 coupe.......not sure if we buy a replacement or not! My son's Bullet..... 2015 GT first time in public

YEP!!!! My wife had a brand new Ford Tempo in 1984........pure trash. Transmission issues, AC issues....etc...... BUT.....Dad's 2012 FLEX is flawless, carries 7 plus luggage, and drives like a giant exotic car. The twin turbo motor is UNREAL. Dad traded his Chevy Tahoe in on the Ford. It was an OK vehicle......bad had many many little issues. More wiper shear pins than I care to count. It was a 2005 and needed a new washer fluid bottle EVERY spring. (it would just split in two!) Cruise control almost never worked....just a series of nagging issues that to me shows a corp mindset.

Until one of those recalled GM's left turns in front of you and stalls!!! I have two cars that are good and paid for. We looked at a 2014 Mustang as it's just me and the wife at home....we loved it....just didn't want to spend the $450 a month!! Rather put that much in my 66 Mustang 2+2!

I bet if one manufactures cell phones had 14 million recalls and they all had to be sent back to the factory to be reset.....that company would be out of business the next day........but consumers today are not a smart lot. Dad has a 1012 FLEX....top of the line. Only issue??? A squirrel ate some of his under hood insulation!!! It's all wheel drive with 22" wheels with twin turbo's.......The first time I drove it I was truly shocked...... It was the best vehicle I had ever driven. A seven passenger plus luggage hot rod......wow!

Yep.....My near perfect Honda Fit had a recall....... Let me tell a story that will show the difference. It was an internal recal....no FORCED government issue. It was a spring in the VTEC system that could break......and if it did you MIGHT loose 10-15 HP. I took it to the largest Honda dealer in Ohio....one very close to the Honda factory. The guy that did the recall on mine had already performed the recall on over 100 Fit's. My spring was fine...but replaced free. I asked him if ANY springs on the 100 plus cars had failed. NOPE....not one. But Honda's internal test showed it MIGHT break after 200,000 or so miles. THAT is the difference in a common recall and what is going on at GM now!

14 million recalls THIS YEAR!!!!! NO EXCUSE.......I have not owned a lot of GM products....but never another for sure. BTW....my 82 Z28 was flawless......they DID know how to do it.