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Tim, Back when the first S550 Mustang was done for the Detroit Auto Show Revell had said that Ford paid them to produce it for them specifically for the give away and the originals were blazen with a giant tampo printed Ford logo on the chassis. You might recall people went nuts on eBay trying to buy one, because at that moment in time there was no word that there would be a boxed "kit" version of it in the future. The subsequent Ford BnPs were always brand new cars done in conjunction with the Auto Show the Ford GT and particularly the "2nd Gen" Ford Raptor were done before the 1:1 cars were even on sale. I also think Round2 might have been leery of doing a compilation of Mustangs after watching Revell make a entire slew of them to diminishing returns as I mentioned to Justin. Everyone might buy one or two, but you really have to be a fan of the car to have purchased them ALL. You end up relying on the casual Hobby Lobby builder (no not people who use the coupon - calm down people, but people who buy a kit a month or so) to buy the latter versions, and eventually even HL is going to have 5 Mustangs on the shelf at the same time. I like Camaros, but I've still only ever purchased the first of the Round2 kits.
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No no, that's Revell of Germany, I mean the U.S. sports cars. The Mustang/Camaro/Corvette/Challenger. The 2010 ZR-1 was the worst selling Corvette kit they did (directly from someone at the former Hobbico), and the prior 2000s era ones weren't too popular either. They really milked the heck out of the 2006-2008 Mustangs, and tried to do that again with the 2010-2013 ones. But they suffered the same sort of "glutton of kits" problem that Moebius suffered from with the F-100s. Simply how many of these effectively same kits does any one person buy. You have to REEEAALLY like Mustangs to have bought all 8 of the glue kits, and the Snap-Tite Convertible. The Coyote 5.0 should have sold Mustangs well enough on the engine alone, but all we ever saw of it was the simplified pre-paint kit with the 5 part engine. The '09 Challenger & '10 Camaros were one and done tools in the middle of peak Revell "everything needs 3 to 5 variants"? They would have had to sell 16k of each of those kits downstream just to break even, let alone turn a profit. It wouldn't totally surprise me if there isn't more to both of those tools, and we never saw them because of the confluence of the Great Recession compounded by slow sales ala the "Day 2" Jeep Wrangler that's been lurking in the Tomb Raider kit since 2004.
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The only reason the Ford Build n Play kits exist is because Ford was footing the bill for those to be given away at the Detroit (and other large) Auto Shows to kids. Then Revell turned them out as "kits" for their own sales. After mediocre to miserable sales of their modern sports car lines we got a few things plop out as those "Pre-Paint" kits with the follow along unpainted release with much lower parts counts and simplified chassis at a much lower tooling cost. While what you say sounds great it discounts the fact that the people running Round2 are running Round2. They know what their sales figures show, and what is or isn't popular for them in terms of being successful. Their Showroom Replicas were unassembled promos and had factory support, and the 2017/2018 Camaro had SEVEN releases in order to justify that tooling decision. Clearly it didn't sell well enough to justify doing a ZL1, nor did Revell's Challenger move enough units to make a newer version or any of the Hellcat/Demon versions. I'd love to see someone take a flyer on making a modern full size truck kit, but then it's not my $300,000.00 we're spending...
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Will we ever see the Monogram S-10 again?
niteowl7710 replied to Jim H.'s topic in Truck Kit News & Reviews
Remember the base of the S-10 is the GMC Syclone kit, it's the original tooling the S-10s are based on and came out before hand. That was sent to China along with everything else because they foresaw reissuing it again in the future. -
What was the worst movie you saw at the theater??
niteowl7710 replied to slusher's topic in The Off-Topic Lounge
Multiplicity - It's a Michael Keaton starring travesty of film making from 1996. To this day it's the only movie I walked out of, and demanding a refund for being subjected to... -
More fresh decal goodness, this time from S.K. Decals. 2017 24hrs of Spa winning Audi, and 3 sheets for the newly released NuNu BMW 320i
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Be interesting to see if Academy actually goes back and digs out the Pony II, Stellar, and first gen Excel tools and maybe sees fit to make some actual clear glass parts for them. They're by no means great kits to begin with being from the 1980s, but the biggest drawback to them is they all have weird blue/violet tinted clear parts for all the windows.
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The general gist of the Korean is a celebration about this being the first domestically made car in South Korea in 1975, as Rob pointed out. It is also a new tool as the other one is a Pony II which didn't arrive until 1982. You do indeed get the young lady in question, and she is pre-decorated as you see her. The model is also the 2nd in their "Stationary Series" that uses their MCP (Molded Color Plastic) gimmick meaning highly polished body shell and everything else being molded in gray and black. It also means this thing is coming to you molded in Stoplight Red.
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Hasegawa Nissan Skyline R32 GT-R NiSMO *New Tool*
niteowl7710 replied to niteowl7710's topic in Car Kit News & Reviews
Speaking of which, slated for mid-January is the first livery. Overall Winner for Race #2 of the 1993 JTCC season. -
I think the ProStar thing might be a Western States vs. East of I-35 thing because there are still several companies with the follow up ProStar (now called the LT) including Crete, Knight/SWIFT and Western Express. The uphill battle you face is that sure you can make the kit modular for various WB and sleeper lengths, but I think for the average modeler - who is gonna be who supplements the actual sales of these things, truck builders are a niche of a niche inside a niche - is going to want a 379 Pride & Class or a W9 84" Studio. The same way there's a handful of people who want slant 6s, or Biscaynes, or whatever base/low trim. But to sell a volume of kits they need to be Impalas, GTOs, and Hemi Cudas.
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Yes well there are plenty of inaccurate 30 year old kits floating around, and then never get any cheaper when they get reissued. To that end it's not reasonable to expect that Italeri is going to allow AMT to sell kits for less than Italeri themselves sell it for, that's a bit of cutting off one's nose to spite their face. Shouldn't be baffling, a new tool truck kit would be pushing 3/4 of a million dollars to get to market, you wanna sell 10k of those then Round2 would have to charge $75.00 at wholesale to get their money back, which would put the MSRP up around $135.00. Neither the 379 or W9 share enough parts with each other or anything else in their respective line ups to do multiple versions from the same base tooling like Moebius did with the LoneStar/ProStar. Moebius also has the cautionary tale where the ProStar which was expected to be the big volume seller of the two took over 5 years to sell out the initial run of kits and that's with part of the production run being sold to RevellAG to rebox in Europe.
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AMT Ford Courier Pickup. Any good?
niteowl7710 replied to pharoah's topic in Truck Kit News & Reviews
So looks like Round2 is going to do an Auto World Exclusive run of 500 pieces of the Courier in it's Stepside configuration with Firestone Super Stone livery (and new wheels). https://www.autoworldstore.com/product-p/scm063.htm -
So possibly of interest to those following the James Bond Mustang, direct from the kit literature distributed today. AUTHENTIC DETAILS: Featured in a Vegas chase scene from the hit movie, Diamonds Are Forever, the 1971 Mustang Mach I is a kit sure to please every Bond fan! Fully paintable, this kit includes NEW movie-accurate water-slide decals, ALL NEW 1971 front end parts, NEW chrome wheels and pad printed tires, 351 cubic inch V-8 engine and more!
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I dunno about truck guys, there's an entire separate fit being thrown one forum down over the costs of the next two AMT reboxed Italeri kits.
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I agree completely, but after this Revell 4Q thread took a multipage excursion into ugly headlights and obscure European vehicles, I was trying to not re-derail my own thread... P.S. The S-10 is on the shelves.
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Yes my point to the HL refusing to close is cited by other people above. Locally they tried to sell flats of bottled water to claim they were an "Essential Business" even though I'm pretty sure glitter and scrapbooking supplies are not. There's also the part where HL refused to pay Covid related sick leave to hourly employees, cut most hourly employees to part-time, and blah blah blah I don't want to turn this into another HL flame thread. But my point being those folks for all their "values" certainly know how to make money regardless of how it's accomplished, and the salient fact remains they aren't losing a single penny when they sell their kits for "40% Off".
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The only truly "newly" tooled parts on the '29 reissue was the channeled frame and transmission mount - it comes on a parts runner that looks like a boxed frame rail rather than the normal round shape you'd expect out of any model kit. I suspect people saying there is a substantial or total re-tool of the parts haven't seen a '30 kit up close and are presuming what contents came with what kit compared to the re-mix of parts that come in the reissue...(use of the SBC vs. Nailhead, inclusion of the "Halibrand" wheels, the '30's roof insert is ungated and included in the '29)
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First Look, NuNu Models BMW M8 GT3
niteowl7710 replied to martinfan5's topic in Car Kit News & Reviews
I think SpotModel's release date of February is probably far more realistic than anything within 2020. They've still got 3 backlogged kits from this summer to try to cough up before then, and I suspect we'll see the 24hrs of Spa AE92 Corolla before the M8 as well since that's some driving lights and a decal sheet away from how the AE92 was released as a JTCC car in a Beemax box. -
Well the other alternative is they don't make any profit, can't invest in things like the 70 1/2 Camaro, 72/74 Vegas, 64 Olds, and 63 Nova, and eventually go out of business because it's far more important to tow some magical $20 line, than to run a functional business. Also keep in mind folks you're all wringing your hands over MSRP of kits. Now I know there are more than a few poorly run hobby shops out there that rip off their customers by charging the MSRP, but in reality NOBODY should actually be paying that. You don't pay MSRP on a 1:1 car either. Does anyone think Hobby Lobby is losing money when they sell things for 40% off? Considering their overall behavior, and refusal to shut down earlier this year specifically - they're not going to give money away for anyone/anything. That 40% off MSRP is still 40-60% more than they're paying for their inventory. The problem really isn't with Round2, or Revell, or Moebius at all unless the end goal is to continue to artificially cap prices and try to actively kill the hobby on behalf of everyone who thinks it's dying anyways.
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Ollie's strike again
niteowl7710 replied to GLMFAA1's topic in General Automotive Talk (Trucks and Cars)
It's printed as part of the bar code on the bottom of the box between the bars and the SKU numbers. -
Ollie's strike again
niteowl7710 replied to GLMFAA1's topic in General Automotive Talk (Trucks and Cars)
One way to figure out the concept of specific Ollie's runs. One of you folks with the KW and/or International, what's the run date on the box? Because both of those kits were "blown out" LAST Christmas, and the ones I have are dated 6/19/2019. -
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Cut it 50/50 with Mr. Leveling Thinner. That goes for all of the X, XF, and LP lines of bottle paints.
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If Revell wanted to make a new tool kit for this forum it should be a 1:1 tin foil hat...