Where to find a 351 Cleveland engine?

[brodie_83]

My girlfriend and I are going to build a replica of her dad's 1970 Ford Torino GT but the Revell kit comes with a 429 Cobra engine...his car has a 351 Cleveland engine. Where can I find an accurate engine to replace the big block with?

Thanks!

-Brodie

[afx]

This kit has a nice 351 in it.

[brodie_83]

But is it a Cleveland or Windsor? They are different.

[Daddyfink]

The biggest visual difference is the top water hose. The Cleveland goes into the from timing cover and the Windsor goes into the from of the intake manifold. And the Windsor has six bolts holding the valve covers while a Cleveland has eight.

In scale, you would not be able to really tell the differences

[brodie_83]

So since I need the wheels from the AMT 1969 Mustang Mach 1 kit, the engine should work as well? If there are visual differences, I should be able to custom fab stuff to make it correct. Then I can slap the 429 Cobra engine in the '69 Mach 1 kit and build that one too

[Jon Haigwood]

Stock valve covers has a raised area on one end 

[tim boyd]

This kit has a nice 351 in it.

The Revell '70 Mustang Mach 1 kit has the best Cleveland 351 in 1/25th scale.  It is really the only mostly authentic Cleveland in this scale.  It is entirely stock except for the valve covers, which are Ford Racing aftermarket parts that need to be replaced with parts that replicate the factory stock version.  There is a photo of a built and paint detailed engine from this kit in the "Ford Muscle V8's" story I did for the other model car mag a few years back.   Good luck with your project...that's a cool car, for sure.  TIM  

[brodie_83]

That is a 1 /24 scale, not 1/25.

[Jon Haigwood]

on a engine block (318 is the only real engine I have available) is 22" long. in 1/25th that would be about (.88), .0366(about 1/32nd) longer than in 1/24th.(.916

Not sure how accurate the kit builders get to actual  scale but for me that would be a un-noticeable difference.

Some builders do like to get it dead nuts on tho. 

Your results may very 

Just passing along the info

 

[rsxse240]

That's getting a bit picky!  lol  Most of the time, engines, seats and other various parts are not exact to scale, due to material thickness, production restrictions, or any number of reasons...designers were just lazy and didn't want to do another scale calculation, who knows.  lol  That engine may seem slightly larger than the stock one, but it's the best one on the market.  AMT also did a 71 or 72 Mach-I with a 351, but I'm almost certain it's a Winsor and it would most certainly be simply a lump of plastic with some " 'at'll do" details and floating belt pulleys.  

 

Like Jon says, go with the Mustang's Cleveland, it'll be your best bet.

[Jon Haigwood]

I have a MPC Boss 351 and the details on the intake manifold and valve covers  are so basic you couldn't tell what engine it had in it (supposed to be a Cleveland)

[Muncie]

Check out the 351 in the 1980's NASCAR kits- AMT for 1/25, Monogram for 1/24 - good detail, might be a place to start. the old NASCAR kits are still out there and reasonably priced parts sources.

[russosborne]

Here is a place that sells resin engines. You have to scroll down a bit to find the stock Cleveland.

http://www.scalemodelingbychris.com/smbc_partsp1.htm

HTH,

Russ

[Jantrix]

The AMT '73 "Black Cat" Cougar has a very decent Cleveland. The kits are not rare or sought after, so they aren't very expensive. 

[Ben]

I bought the 351 Cleveland kit from Scale Models by Chris.

http://www.motorcityresincasters.com/motors.htm

[vamach1]

How did I miss this thread? See the more current one as there is at least one new source and the SMBC engine is not longer available.

[Mark]

On 9/17/2015 at 8:02 PM, Jantrix said:

The AMT '73 "Black Cat" Cougar has a very decent Cleveland. The kits are not rare or sought after, so they aren't very expensive. 

The Cougar kit (originally MPC) has two engines, a 428 and a Boss 429.  Never had a 351 of any kind.

[vamach1]

On 9/17/2015 at 8:02 PM, Jantrix said:

The AMT '73 "Black Cat" Cougar has a very decent Cleveland. The kits are not rare or sought after, so they aren't very expensive. 

 

Hmm - are you sure.  Every MPC and MPC Ford had either a 289/302/351 Windsor or a 427, 428CJ or 429 Boss.  Sadly no 429 CJ's or 351 Clevelands.  The Cougar Eliminator did have a nice little Boss 302 however.  Do not believe what you read on the side of the box created by a markerting person that would not know the difference between a 429 Boss and a 426 Hemi.

Here's some comments from that other site from 2007.

Edited August 22, 2019 by vamach1