slusher Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Wonderful work Bill. I am really enjoying your work.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carman1 Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 your work is simply amazing ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Hamilton Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 That looks great Bill!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrObsessive Posted October 15, 2016 Author Share Posted October 15, 2016 I figure while I have the ambition, I need to get started on getting one of the windows working. Since I already got the passenger side door jambs, and the door itself fitting pretty well----may as well start with that side. As you can see here, I'm using some K&S Special Shapes (not sure of the size, but it's their smallest) H-Channel brass to serve as a window guide for the leading edge of the "glass". Since the kit's vent window frames were not quite the right shape, and since I wanted something a bit more in scale than what those represent, I went with this H-channel. So that the guide is anchored solidly in the bottom of the door I used a piece square rod, drilled a hole, and superglued the channel into that. Same went for the front part of the vent window frame. That's about a permanent as it's gonna get as it ain't goin' nowhere! Here's the other side of the vent window frame, but I can't leave it just bare brass as that. I roughed up the brass somewhat with some 220 grit sandpaper, and epoxied some plastic strip onto it. Roughing up the surface allows the epoxy to "bite" better into the plastic and it's not as prone to pull away if the brass is too smooth. BTW, the same can be done to aluminum.......I've done this years ago on a build where I wanted an aluminum skin over a gas tank of a car I was building. This does look better and the vent posts say "Mustang" better than the kit molded ones. When the door is closed, you can see the more in scale appearance that the H-channel will have in representing a guide for the window. OK! Let's move on to what's going to make all of this work. I have here next to a penny a pair of watch gears. In fact, I have a WHOLE BUNCH of these types of gears as I got literally a ton of these off eBay many years ago, and doubt I'll ever run out of them at the rate I use them and at the pace I build! I filed off the rivet on the other side of the larger gear which was holding on the small gear that has the pin sticking out of it. This won't be needed for what I want to do. The other small gear was soldered on to a piece of metal wire which is about .024" diameter in size. This was bent to an approximate shape of what the crank handle will look like, but doesn't necessarily represent how the final appearance will be. I drilled a couple holes onto a plain plastic support sheet for the gears, and wanted to get them to mesh as tight as possible. So far so good................ Next, I wanted to solder a brass arm on to the larger watch gear. This is what will allow the window to move up and down on its guides. The long pin sticking up is what will be in a groove on the bottom of the window channel which will enable it to slide back and forth a bit as the window moves up and down in the door. Ok-----checking things again to ensure that the gears are still meshing with no problem. The smaller gear to help keep it in place, has a plastic cover or retainer over it. This holds the gear tightly against the larger gear, and as things get built up on the other side of this support in time, it'll hold together that much better. This pic here is showing a middle support rod or guide which will keep the window steady as it moves up and down. Since this is a hardtop car, naturally there are no frames on the doors to keep the glass straight. This rod is a must to keep things stable, and it keeps the glass from rocking back and forth sloppily as the crank is being turned. So that there is no binding of the glass as it's being moved up and down, I've tried to keep the middle guide at the same angle as the front guide. The proof will be in the pudding when it comes to final installing of the glass in the channel, and it comes time for it to work. Finally, here's another video I put together of how the window regulator will move up and down with the turn of the crank. As I mention in the video, because this model is so small, and because of the number of teeth in the gears I have to work with, I don't have the numerous turns that you get when you're rolling up windows as in a 1:1 vehicle. But, what I wanted was the appearance and not the "gimmicky" look of simply turning the window crank, and the window moving in the same direction as in flicking a light switch on and off. As usual, thanks so much for tuning in, and hopefully by the next update the passenger side window and its workings will be fully done, and then I'll move on to some other aspects of the bodywork. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobthehobbyguy Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Wow impressive update. Those side windows look great. Nice srart on the window mechanism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaunmza Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Great update, enjoyed the video. You do amazing work and I am learning a lot from this thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rider Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Love watching your vids Bill. Thanks for sharing. Great work man, can't wait to see the next instalment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenGuthmiller Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 Way more patience than I'll ever have! Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyrichard Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 whouw ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modelbuilder Mark Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 obsessive.....to be sure.. but in a good way, a very good way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peekay Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 Incredible work here Bill. Like Steve G. says, I wouldn't have the patience - but I wouldn't have the skill either. It's WIPs like this that liven the forum up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychographic Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 (edited) Bill, the roll up windows are pure genius. I have an idea that might help you with making them. What if you replaced you gear collets and made a plate drilled to match the holes in the door for the gear axles. You then space this plate out and two of the spacers could act as stops on your arm. The red would be the plate, the black circles would be the spacers. The two on the left would be positioned as stops for the arm. With your gears sandwiched like this, they would probably be more stable. You could even add a third gear to slow the ratio down. Edited October 16, 2016 by Psychographic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sledsel Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 wow..... just wow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COOLBERG Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 thanks for the step by step procedure on making the post for the door jam ..so now maybe i can get back to my newer mustang build and get the doors hinged ....i have the other areas done.....i just got stumped on the front part OH EXCELLENT JOB SO FAR....will be watching this build Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrObsessive Posted October 16, 2016 Author Share Posted October 16, 2016 Incredible work here Bill. Like Steve G. says, I wouldn't have the patience - but I wouldn't have the skill either. It's WIPs like this that liven the forum up. Thanks Peter! I like that I can spruce up the joint------just a little! Bill, the roll up windows are pure genius. I have an idea that might help you with making them. What if you replaced you gear collets and made a plate drilled to match the holes in the door for the gear axles. You then space this plate out and two of the spacers could act as stops on your arm. The red would be the plate, the black circles would be the spacers. The two on the left would be positioned as stops for the arm. With your gears sandwiched like this, they would probably be more stable. You could even add a third gear to slow the ratio down. David, that's an idea I might try-----the only fly in the ointment is I have to work within the limitations of the thickness of the door. Too much crowding, and things will start to bind. Truth be told, as of this morning I've taken everything apart because due to the geometry of the window, and the angle in which is has to move up and down-------what I made is not going to work well. It would work much better if the window were moving at only a very slight angle, or straight up and down, but that's not the case with this setup. What'll probably end up doing is making a setup similar to what I did for my GTO build (stillborn) years ago as shown here.................. This was a scooch complicated but believe it or not after nearly 15 years, this still works in the model. Unfortunately I used the wrong kind of acetate for the windows, and practically all of them have curled up like potato chips including the windshield. thanks for the step by step procedure on making the post for the door jam ..so now maybe i can get back to my newer mustang build and get the doors hinged ....i have the other areas done.....i just got stumped on the front part OH EXCELLENT JOB SO FAR....will be watching this build Glad I could be of help and thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72 Charger Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 Just AMAZING.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrObsessive Posted October 16, 2016 Author Share Posted October 16, 2016 obsessive.....to be sure.. but in a good way, a very good way Well, just to show how obsessive I can be about details------recently we had a car show that was only a mile away from my house. There was a VERY clean '65 Mustang sitting there, and the owner and I struck up a conversation. He was interested in the model's pics I have on my phone as he knows about the Green Hornet 1:1. When I told him that I wanted to do working windows he said "No Way!" I showed him the video on my phone of my '57 Corvette and '58 Chevy with working windows and he was tickled pink! I asked him if I could see the movement of the front window in his '65, as I had a feeling looking at a shop manual I have of the car, the trailing edge kinda tucks down in a curve to clear the door structure on its way in the channel. As you'll see on this video below, it does appear that way as the glass sort of "pops outward" when it moves back in the up position. No doubt so that it can meet the rear glass so there's no gap. He also did the rear window for me, and I'll be studying that video over and over when it comes time to scratchbuild the mechanism for those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Hamilton Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 I'm still waiting for power windows on one of your builds. I'll have give you a pass on this one, as the one-to-one did not have power windows. Excellent work as always Bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrObsessive Posted October 16, 2016 Author Share Posted October 16, 2016 I'm still waiting for power windows on one of your builds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleDrummerBoy Aka LDB Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 Following Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maindrian Pace Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 Amazing. The only other 1:25 roll-down windows I can recall were on an '80s Mustang convertible built in the '80s. (perhaps by Jairus W.) Nothing so elaborate, I think it was thread wrapped around a sandpaper drum IIRC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtx6970 Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 Way more patience than I'll ever have! Steve Agreed. I love the idea and just in awe you can pull it off. I simply do not have the patience or inclination to try this. But I love looking at it when someone else pulls it off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrObsessive Posted November 19, 2016 Author Share Posted November 19, 2016 I haven't abandoned this one folks, just some annoying difficulties in getting the windows to cooperate, and it's got me raising the white flag on that detail. Since I've had my eye surgery, one side effect is that I can't focus on one particular thing for an extended period of time like I could in the past. That's even with the magnifier I use-----I guess I'll have to live with the fact that long periods of building will be a thing of the past. The eyes tire quickly followed by a slight pain in the one that was operated on. So that I don't get bogged down with trying to get that done, I'm focusing more on getting the rest of the bodywork done such as getting the other door hinged and working. Hopefully tomorrow, I can update the post with more pics (if the hinge gives me no trouble), and I can get that much further along with this one. Stay tuned! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72 Charger Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 Its a shame about your eyes Bill I hope things improve for you. I look forward to you next update Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobthehobbyguy Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 Bill have you talked to your eye doctor about your focusing problej. He xould tell you if its a permenant issue or maybe there is something that can be done to help. He may be able to recommend some eye exercises that would help.Nice update on the model am looking forward to seeing more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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