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[Fat Brian]

I got this straight 8 with dual overhead cams and a gear driven centrifugal supercharger already built in a trade. I have no idea where it came from or even what scale it is, guys, have at it.

[Ace-Garageguy]

Duesenberg SJ, early 1930s  (1/24 scale Monogram kits)

      

Edited September 26, 2016 by Ace-Garageguy

[Fat Brian]

Duesenberg SJ, early 1930s  (1/24 scale Monogram kits)

Thank you.

[JollySipper]

That would be an awesome engine to build an A-Bone around.........

[1930fordpickup]

That would be an awesome engine to build an A-Bone around.........

That would be cool but they are a very large engine. 

[unclescott58]

That would be cool but they are a very large engine. 

So. You just stretch the chassis a bit. It would be very cool.

 

[Ace-Garageguy]

That would be an awesome engine to build an A-Bone around.........

So. You just stretch the chassis a bit. It would be very cool.

While it may look cool, keep in mind the Duesey engine is huge and heavy as 1930fordpickup already mentioned.

An A chassis needs considerable beefing up in the real world just to handle a flathead V8. It'll take a lot more to run a Deusenberg engine...a LOT more...especially if the frame is lengthened. Look under a Deusenberg and you'll see frame rails that wouldn't be out of place on a large truck...not surprising considering the cars could weigh over 3 tons (6000 pounds), while a Ford A was in the 2300 pound range.

Just trying to keep it real.  

[Fat Brian]

That's why I wasn't sure what scale it was, the engine is almost as big as a 1/25 Cummins out of a semi truck. The thought of a 40s/50s hot rod or salt lakes car has crossed my mind but the logistics are still up in the air.

[Richard Bartrop]

And it's not like it hasn't been done in real life.

[unclescott58]

While it may look cool, keep in mind the Duesey engine is huge and heavy as 1930fordpickup already mentioned.

An A chassis needs considerable beefing up in the real world just to handle a flathead V8. It'll take a lot more to run a Deusenberg engine...a LOT more...especially if the frame is lengthened. Look under a Deusenberg and you'll see frame rails that wouldn't be out of place on a large truck...not surprising considering the cars could weigh over 3 tons (6000 pounds), while a Ford A was in the 2300 pound range.

Just trying to keep it real.  

Trying to keep it real? It can be done. See the picture Richard posted above. It's even easier to do to model kit. Yea Dusey engines are as big as large truck motors. You may have to design a special chassis and suspension for it. But, it can be done. The idea is very cool. It should be done.

[Fat Brian]

And it's not like it hasn't been done in real life.

There was a wise old king who said "There's nothing new under the sun".

[Ace-Garageguy]

Trying to keep it real? It can be done. 

The real one is built on '32 rails, which start out considerably stouter than A rails. A '32 Chevy frame might be a better beginning though, as it has parallel leaf springs up front. 

And of course it can be done. You can put just about any engine in anything imaginable. 

    Allison-powered trike

                                                                                                               

                  Hemi-powered Messerschmidt   

 

Edited September 26, 2016 by Ace-Garageguy

[unclescott58]

See. One needs to go for it!

 

[Fat Brian]

Where is the rack for the huge set of balls it would take to ride that trike?

[landman]

I bet that Messerscmitt boogies.

[Harry P.]

Just trying to keep it real.  

But that's the beauty of model cars vs. real cars–with model cars, anything can be done!

How many time have we seen a model with such huge wheels and tires that in the real world there would be zero room for suspension travel or steering movement. Completely unworkable in the real world, but it "works" on a model car because it doesn't have to really work!

We had a forum member here once (he is no longer a member) who loved the huge wheel and tire look so much that he used to cut the tops off the tires just to get them to fit into the wheelwells. For him it wasn't about accuracy or realism or practicality. It was all about the look.

[Xingu]

I would ride all 3 of those, maybe not all out.......who am I kidding, I would peg the throttle and see what they can do. I have taken a few trips to the ER after the phrase " I bet you can't....."

[Ace-Garageguy]

But that's the beauty of model cars vs. real cars–with model cars, anything can be done!

How many time have we seen a model with such huge wheels and tires that in the real world there would be zero room for suspension travel or steering movement. Completely unworkable in the real world, but it "works" on a model car because it doesn't have to really work!

We had a forum member here once (he is no longer a member) who loved the huge wheel and tire look so much that he used to cut the tops off the tires just to get them to fit into the wheelwells. For him it wasn't about accuracy or realism or practicality. It was all about the look.

Guess you better lighten up on all those floating alternators and mirrorless exteriors too, then. 

And hey...who cares about scale accuracy? If something kinda "looks" like the subject, it's close enough...right?

Why even bother? After all, "toy cars" don't have to portray reality.

But I always seemed to think that was the object of "scale models".

Jus' differen' strokes. 

Edited September 27, 2016 by Ace-Garageguy

[slusher]

We had a forum member here once (he is no longer a member) who loved the huge wheel and tire look so much that he used to cut the tops off the tires just to get them to fit into the wheelwells. For him it wasn't about accuracy or realism or practicality. It was all about the look.

I have seen the bottom of tires sanded to make the car level on eBay and that other forum..

[Ace-Garageguy]

How many time have we seen a model with such huge wheels and tires that in the real world there would be zero room for suspension travel or steering movement. Completely unworkable in the real world, but it "works" on a model car because it doesn't have to really work!

We had a forum member here once (he is no longer a member) who loved the huge wheel and tire look so much that he used to cut the tops off the tires just to get them to fit into the wheelwells. For him it wasn't about accuracy or realism or practicality. It was all about the look.

I remember that guy from the other forum. He did some really beautiful work, but some of his tires were so impossibly huge it was immediately obvious that the tops were cut off to get the cars to sit as low on them as they did.

And I'll admit, the initial "look" was often striking and very attractive...but after my brain kicked in, the effect on me was like fingernails on a chalkboard.

That's the curse of living in a real-car-world where things have to actually function as well as look good. Kinda takes some of the free-form creativity out of the equation, but replaces it with a requirement to work a little harder to get a look AND a function that aren't mutually exclusive.

I don't say anybody HAS to build models by my particular set of reality-bound constraints. I just offer information in case somebody WANTS to.  

[Harry P.]

Guess you better lighten up on all those floating alternators and mirrorless exteriors too, then. 

Ah, but here's the difference. I mention the magic floating alternators and lack of mirrors if the model is supposed to be a realistic representation of a factory stock car, or a generally realistic (and plausible) hot rod. But if we are talking wild customs, anything goes. I would never mention the missing mirrors on a model of the Bathtub Buggy or some other way-out model that has no real connection to a real world, driveable car.

I'm more like you, in that I want my models to be realistic scale models of the real thing. I don't build wild "show car" type models that don't have much connection to reality, but if that's the type of model that floats someones boat, good for them.

[Ace-Garageguy]

But if we are talking wild customs, anything goes. I would never mention the missing mirrors on a model of the Bathtub Buggy or some other way-out model that has no real connection to a real world, driveable car.

Ed Roth in particular wasn't much about function, but built some striking and innovative customs that were much more machine-inspired static sculpture than actual machines.

One of my favorites was the Mysterion.      

Wild way beyond the then-current definition of wild, it also lacked crankshafts and pistons at one point in its show career, and its frame cracked during the rigors of being looked at and hauled around. 

Still, it's a cool thing. I have the kit, and I have no interest in correcting whatever engineering deficiencies it may have. It's just so cool to look at, who cares?

If a modeler is wanting to build something in that vein, great.

If a modeler wants to build something that represents a what-if functional machine, that's something else entirely, and understanding of aspects of real-world functionality is a definite plus.  

Edited September 27, 2016 by Ace-Garageguy

[highway]

I would ride all 3 of those, maybe not all out.......who am I kidding, I would peg the throttle and see what they can do. I have taken a few trips to the ER after the phrase " I bet you can't....."

For some reason I'm thinking more along the lines of "Hold my beer...."