AMT, Original hot rod kits, engine options

[Greg Myers]

The first several AMT model car kits were 3 in 1 with a hot rod engine option along with the stock engine appropriate for the car.

Here's a list from memory . just the optional engines in each kit :

'32 Coupe -                            poor rendition of a Chevy small block 

'32 Roadster  -                      Early HEMI

'32 Vicky    -                          427 Ford FE

'32 Phaeton  -                       427 Ford FE

'36 Coupe  -                         Pontiac V8

'39 / '40 two door sedan-      ???

'40 Coupe   -                        Buick Nailhead

'40 Sedan Delivery  -           Buick Nailhead

'32 Two Door sedan / XR6 -           Custom Buick Nailhead

 

Now, I do remember an Olds with two Four barrels, in something. Any ideas ?

 

Edited September 26, 2017 by Greg Myers

[bobthehobbyguy]

The Amt 36 ford.

[Greg Myers]

Bob, that was a Pontiac,  I'm pretty sure the one I'm thinking of was an Olds and it had two Four barrels, the Pontiac had three twos or six two barrels.

[tim boyd]

AMT's Trophy Series Early Olds V8 was in the AMT "'39"/'40 Ford sedan.....with a Hilborn fuel injection option and a (from memory, correct me if I'm wrong) 3-2 barrel setup.   TIM

[Ace-Garageguy]

It was indeed an Olds in the '39-'40 Tudor sedan kit, and one of the setups was Hilborn 8-port fuel injection, along with three 2-barrels.

The 3X2 manifold and front cover work very well on the later Olds engines from Revell.

The Pontiac was in all the '36 Fords.

Edited September 26, 2017 by Ace-Garageguy

[Greg Myers]

Funny, I don't remember ever having that kit ('39 sedan) but i do still have the engine. Maybe a testament to AMT's versatility the manifold / carbs may have been from the HEMI kit. 

[Snake45]

We had a pretty thorough discussion of this topic a couple years ago. For those who came in late:

[ChrisBcritter]

'32 Two Door sedan / XR6 -           Custom Buick Nailhead

That kit (as "Show 'n' Go") came with the '40 Willys drag coupe; the XR-6 came with a stock/hot rod '27 Model T touring.

One other surprise interchange: The '49 Mercury flathead was a perfect fit in the '37 Chevy!

[Greg Myers]

Yes indeed

[GaryR]

That kit (as "Show 'n' Go") came with the '40 Willys drag coupe; the XR-6 came with a stock/hot rod '27 Model T touring.

One other surprise interchange: The '49 Mercury flathead was a perfect fit in the '37 Chevy!

Why would you put a flathead in the 37 Chevy?

[ChrisBcritter]

Because they were there... 

Come to think of it, I should have tried the Mercury kit's Chrysler 413.

[Snake45]

Why would you put a flathead in the 37 Chevy?

Well, somebody once put one in a '67 Camaro. For real. (I don't get it, either.)

[Ace-Garageguy]

Why would you put a flathead in the 37 Chevy?

Just pre or post WW II, it would have been a viable performance swap. The stock Ford flatheads made a little more power (90 for the '41 engine, 100 for the '46) than the stock stovebolt '37 Chebby (85), and there was a lot more speed equipment available for the flathead.

The flathead generally lent itself better to speed mods, as it had insert rod bearings, where the Chebby still used poured babbitt. The Ford also had full pressure lubrication, where the Chebby still relied on dippers for the rod big-ends. The 216 Chebby also had heavy cast-iron pistons and a long, whippy 3-main-bearing crank. (The flathead Ford also only had 3 mains, but it was a lot shorter, and the loads were more evenly distributed).

Hmmmmm....think I need to build one.   

Edited September 30, 2017 by Ace-Garageguy

[Jon Haigwood]

The Deuce  ,small block Chevy most likely a 283 ?

 

[Greg Myers]

Yes, or an earlier 265 from a '55 or '56 Chevy. 

Realize all small block Chevy V8s look the same on the outside.

All the way up till the late '70's.

Not that the engine in these kits was much to look at, pretty crude.

Edited October 29, 2017 by Greg Myers
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[Greg Myers]

Well, somebody once put one in a '67 Camaro. For real. (I don't get it, either.)

Had a club member put an early 392 HEMI in a Challenger. 

[GaryR]

Well, somebody once put one in a '67 Camaro. For real. (I don't get it, either.)

Yes,I know.I ran at Woodburn, my local strip.Was kind of a joke, didn't run very fast.

 

[Greg Myers]

How about a call on the 1;1 versions ? What do these KIT engines really represent ?

[Crankenstien]

forgot a few kit's there, the Studebaker had the 392 as did the 53 ford pickup

the double t had the big Lincoln the Avanti had some interesting part's for the time

likely some I never knew about to

[Ace-Garageguy]

... the Studebaker had the 392 as did the 53 ford pickup

the double t had the big Lincoln...

Well no, actually.

While the '53 Stude does have a Chrysler Firepower 392 hemi, the optional engine in the AMT '53 Ford pickup is a DeSoto Firedome. A completely different engine from the Chrysler hemi, the DeSoto Firedome hemi came in 276, 291 and 361 cubic inch displacements.

Far as the "big Lincoln" goes, the only thing correct in the double-T kit for a Y-block Lincoln mill is the MkII alloy valve covers. We've been through this multiple times, but you're new, so you're forgiven. The rest of the engine is a kind of mashup of several Fords, and is not accurate for any of them.   

And by the way, the Ala Kart double kit (and all the '28 Ford roadster kits derived from the original...NOT the under-scale joke from the re-tooled version), came with another completely different Chrysler Corporation hemi engine, the Dodge Red Ram.

Edited October 29, 2017 by Ace-Garageguy

[#1 model citizen]

Never mind

Edited October 30, 2017 by #1 model citizen

[#1 model citizen]

Well no, actually.

While the '53 Stude does have a Chrysler Firepower 392 hemi, the optional engine in the AMT '53 Ford pickup is a DeSoto Firedome. A completely different engine from the Chrysler hemi, the DeSoto Firedome hemi came in 276, 291 and 361 cubic inch displacements.

Far as the "big Lincoln" goes, the only thing correct in the double-T kit for a Y-block Lincoln mill is the MkII alloy valve covers. We've been through this multiple times, but you're new, so you're forgiven. The rest of the engine is a kind of mashup of several Fords, and is not accurate for any of them.   

And by the way, the Ala Kart double kit (and all the '28 Ford roadster kits derived from the original...NOT the under-scale joke from the re-tooled version), came with another completely different Chrysler Corporation hemi engine, the Dodge Red Ram.

It sounds as if you may be a bit miffed that an old topic has been posted in a new thread, even though you were gracious enough to contribute your knowledge. I'm relatively new to this site too & I'm sure there are many topics that I would be interested in & questions I may have or will have that are already covered somewhere on this site, but with almost 18,000 topics just in this here "General" section alone and no index or other way to find the threads one would want, it is inevitable that new threads on the same topics will arise. I would have never found the earlier discussions on this topic but have found this one quite informative. If you would post links to the earlier threads that would be helpful too.

 I would like to thank you & all the other contributors to this thread and hope you all will forgive us newcomers and continue to share your knowledge and expertise. It is very much appreciated, 

Edited October 30, 2017 by #1 model citizen

[Ace-Garageguy]

It sounds as if you may be a bit miffed that an old topic has been posted in a new thread, even though you were gracious enough to contribute your knowledge...

Not miffed at all. The valve covers on the AMT '53 Ford optional engine are clearly engraved with "DeSoto Firedome", and both Tim Boyd and I covered...in depth...the "Lincoln" engine in the double T kits years ago (Tim well before me, I believe). It just takes a while for correct information to percolate through the community, and re-posting the wrong information doesn't help.  

[Greg Myers]

and this is one of the reasons i Repost much of this.

Many here are new and would never think to look for this type of thing.

I also feel there is a smaller group posting here now with the loss of Photobucket.

I like to do my part in keeping the hobby alive through history and information.

[Ace-Garageguy]

 

...I also feel there is a smaller group posting here now with the loss of Photobucket...

Ain't that the truth...and it's all across the internet. Resources just vanished, replaced by the extortion symbol.