Old MPC / AMT '28 Model A todor Sedan Rumored to come back

[Oldcarfan27]

48 minutes ago, SfanGoch said:

Patrick, some of this retro stuff goes a bit too far. Back in 1997, Me and a couple of friends went to a bar on E.10th St. & Ave. B (area known as Alphabet City) called the Lakeside Lounge. We were hanging out at the bar when this chick who looked like Ethel Mertz's mother walked in and pulled up a stool at the bar. She was wearing a gaudy red strapless dress and tons o'Max Factor to compliment her peroxided hair. My friends and I are staring at her and one of them asks her, "What're you supposed to be?" She answered, "I'm 1959." 1959 what? "That's it, 1959."   A regoolar mental case, she was.

Yeah, but did she drive an old car?

[ChrisBcritter]

I wouldn't mind seeing it come back, as it was a nicely engineered kit to begin with. The only real issue it has is the frame molded into the floor/fenders, but that obviously didn't stop Tim and Dennis from doing some sharp work on theirs! I have one unbuilt that I'm undecided whether to build stock (including the over-restored chrome wire wheels) or fifties street rod (steelies, rubber rake, early V-8, done). Hope Round2 can do something with what's left.

ETA: And kudos to Tim for using my license plates. 

Edited May 17, 2018 by ChrisBcritter

[Oldcarfan27]

Back to the topic, I would like to see this so called relic reissued. Seeing Luc and Tim Boyds pics are very inspiring. And I have MOST of an original issue that I bought at a train expo for $4 (no kidding!) It's just missing the doors and I don't know where else I will find them. Looks like a fun kit!

[Ace-Garageguy]

I'd buy a couple, at least. I already have a couple of originals.

And as a buyer of wide-ranging subject matter in several kit genres, and a card-carrying old fart, I have some observations re: the model car situation.

Rob Hall is right in thinking that the kit companies need to milk MY generation for every last nickel while we're still around. I've brought this up many times myself on similar threads in the past. Most of us have WAY more money to burn than millennials working sub-minimum wage jobs while carrying crippling debt for college loans to get useless degrees in things like the history of lesbian basket-weaving in Turkmenistan.

Oldcarfan27 is spot on with this too:

15 hours ago, Oldcarfan27 said:

What's funny about that is that a lot of the retro rockabilly guys and gals at the current 1:1 car shows are around 30 years or younger. And they're driving old cars. Now who's living in the past?

Even they like 'em.

And the Japanese spend TONS of money to buy them!

Last time I was at VLV, the guys were mostly younger, and many of the women were over-the-top hot...and they mostly seemed to do the period thing well: kinda traditional with a modern twist, but not a cartoonish parody (like 65- year-old land-whales in poodle-skirts) or you-need-a-tetanus-shot-stand-next-to-the-funnel-cakes rat-junk.

It's the soy-faced testosterone-free "guys" who have no interest in cars, driving, making things, etc. And they're probably the vast majority. No matter HOW MANY cool kits of cool newer vehicles get pumped out, it's not going to spark the interest of boys who are ambivalent about their male identities. Model-building will never EVER see sales numbers like it did in the magical 1960s. Fast cars, motorcycles, girls, surfing or other individual sports...I really don't think most of today's young "men" give too hoots about any of that sort of thing. Taking selfies and making sure the social-networks don't forget them every 5 minutes seem to be what passes for hobbies with this crowd.

And while we're at it...testosterone has declined in men 50% since I was a kid. Look it up. It's real, and it's having an effect on the way things are. Male humans, in general, enjoy things (or used to). Females are more people-oriented. This is real science. Take away half of the hormone responsible in large part for "maleness", it's no surprise that social networking tops driving icky (and predominantly boring anyway) cars, or working with greasy, smelly, dirty machines, or dangerous sharp tools and noxious chemicals to build a model. Plus, if your closest 12,000 social-network "friends" aren't into models, chances are you won't be either. The herd mentality is strong here.

I'm just glad there are some model companies still in business, and that some of them will take the financial risk to tool a new ANYTHING. I've bought as many Euro and Asian tuner kits the last year as I have old US stuff, and I like 'em all, so long as they're good quality, or are faithful reproductions of things past.

Edited May 17, 2018 by Ace-Garageguy

[SfanGoch]

33 minutes ago, Oldcarfan27 said:

Yeah, but did she drive an old car?

It's against DMV regulations to issue driver's licenses to non-humans.

[Oldcarfan27]

1 hour ago, SfanGoch said:

It's against DMV regulations to issue driver's licenses to non-humans.

But, what about "Toonces the Driving Cat"? That was real!?

[unclescott58]

On 5/16/2018 at 7:24 AM, tim boyd said:

Guys....this morning John Greczula at Round 2 asked me to post this message from him on his behalf....

 

"Gentlemen,

 

After receiving multiple direct emails and learning of this thread, I feel the need to quell some of the lather that seems to be foaming over the edge of the glass of conjecture: Make no mistake. The '28 Ford project has been on the radar, in the hopper, etc. for quite a while now. A certain veteran AMT Kat and I discussed it at length, years ago already. The tool exists but is far from usable in its present state. As you all know, the majority of it was repurposed for the '29 kit. There is VERY little left in the tool and the gaping holes left by the removed inserts would need to be filled with new blocks containing sprue lines designed to flow plastic to what IS there. This is not a trivial or inexpensive process. However, it is something that I want to see happen as much as the rest of you.

 

As for just including the parts with a reissue of the '29 pickup/woody, well, I'd rather do it right. Some parts no longer match with the '28 parts. Further, if we were to spend the money to resurrect this kit, we'd need every sale possible. A large portion of the mass market clientele would not want to have to "figure it all out" for themselves. You guys? Sure, you could do it with your eyes closed. But to make the investment worthwhile, it'd have to be a little more accessible to modelers of lesser skill.

 

Rest assured, it's at the top of the list of kits to try and bring back. I make no promises, as there's always some unexpected problem that gets in the path of making headway on some of these cool projects, but we do listen, we do care, and we do what we can to keep the entire available market at least a little bit happy. 

 

Thanks for your interest and support.

 

John "

****

PS - Greg or other Mods....please delete the image below from this post....I am unable to do so for some reason.....thanks  TIM 

 

 

 

Tim, I hope you thank John for passing on this information on to us. I think that he and the others at Round 2 are doing a great job. Since they took things over from RC2, I've been spending a lot more money on models than I did in the past. Keep these old reissues coming, and I will continue buying and building them.

As far as new kits? I think Revell has been doing a great job in that area. Their new and reissue kits have also grabbed a good chunk of my change. I hope they keep going the way that they have in recent years.

I'm delighted where the hobby has been going in the last few years. Rather than complaining, I keep trading those green slips of paper for the plastic that I like. And the model companies keep bringing out, both new and reissued plastic, that I keep giving them more of those green slips of paper for. It seems to be working out pretty well for me. Is there other stuff I'd like to see come out in model form, not offered now? Of course. But, those green pieces of paper seem to do a pretty good job of telling the model kit companies of what I'm willing to buy, and what they should consider putting on market. So I'm not really going to complain. 

Also as far as going to happen to our hobby in the future? Who really knows? I can only influence it only so far. Plus if it dies when I die? What can I do about it? And really, why should I care? More than likely, life will continue going on fine without me. It went on fine before I got here. In the future they may do, or enjoy, the same things I did. Then again, they may not. Just as there are things people use to do in past, that I and most others do not do today. And that's okay. It's neither good or bad. It's just the way it is. 

Remember the old say. It's still true today. And will be into the future. "Money talks. B.S. walks." Hobbies run by making money. 

[Rob Hall]

On 5/16/2018 at 9:12 PM, Ace-Garageguy said:

 

It's the soy-faced testosterone-free "guys" who have no interest in cars, driving, making things, etc. And they're probably the vast majority. No matter HOW MANY cool kits of cool newer vehicles get pumped out, it's not going to spark the interest of boys who are ambivalent about their male identities. Model-building will never EVER see sales numbers like it did in the magical 1960s. Fast cars, motorcycles, girls, surfing or other individual sports...I really don't think most of today's young "men" give too hoots about any of that sort of thing. Taking selfies and making sure the social-networks don't forget them every 5 minutes seem to be what passes for hobbies with this crowd.

And while we're at it...testosterone has declined in men 50% since I was a kid. Look it up. It's real, and it's having an effect on the way things are. Male humans, in general, enjoy things (or used to). Females are more people-oriented. This is real science. Take away half of the hormone responsible in large part for "maleness", it's no surprise that social networking tops driving icky (and predominantly boring anyway) cars, or working with greasy, smelly, dirty machines, or dangerous sharp tools and noxious chemicals to build a model. Plus, if your closest 12,000 social-network "friends" aren't into models, chances are you won't be either. The herd mentality is strong here. 

This sounds like a load of delusional pseudo-science nonsense..you been listening to Alex Jones or something?   Or just the usually crabby old fogey drivel...

[Ace-Garageguy]

16 minutes ago, Rob Hall said:

This sounds like a load of delusional pseudo-science nonsense..you been listening to Alex Jones or something?   Or just the usually crabby old fogey drivel...

Why don't you do the research yourself on the declining testosterone levels, most likely due to environmental estrogen and estrogen mimics (possibly including soy)? The canary in the coal mine was documented decades ago with oddly developing amphibians that live in marshland whose water was contaminated by human effluent.

It's out there for anyone with a functioning brain who doesn't have a need for dismissing anything that might challenge his world-view with phrases like "crabby old fogey drivel".

And no. I don't listen to Alex Jones or ANYONE who tries to tell me what to think...but I sometimes DO find a bit of science that at least partially explains things I've noticed MYSELF.

Edited May 19, 2018 by Ace-Garageguy

[Rob Hall]

Just now, Ace-Garageguy said:

Why don't you do the research yourself on the declining testosterone levels, most likely due to environmental estrogen and estrogen mimics? The canary in the coal mine was documented decades ago with oddly developing amphibians that live in marshland whose water was contaminated by human effluent.

It's out there for anyone with a functioning brain.

And no. I don't listen to Alex Jones or ANYONE who tries to tell me what to think...but I sometimes DO find a bit of science that at least partially explains things I've noticed MYSELF.

Post a link... I'm skeptical. 

[Ace-Garageguy]

7 minutes ago, Rob Hall said:

Post a link... I'm skeptical. 

http://www.ourstolenfuture.com/newscience/reproduction/2006/2006-1210travisonetal.html

https://uk.reuters.com/article/health-testosterone-levels-dc/mens-testosterone-levels-declined-in-last-20-years-idUKKIM16976320061031

https://www.healio.com/endocrinology/hormone-therapy/news/print/endocrine-today/{ac23497d-f1ed-4278-bbd2-92bb1e552e3a}/generational-decline-in-testosterone-levels-observed

http://www.thebodywellusa.com/the-hard-truth-for-men-declining-testosterone-levels-worldwide/

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-mystery-of-declining-testosterone_us_59fcc5fbe4b0d467d4c224b3

https://www.globalresearch.ca/health-and-the-environment-testosterone-levels-fall-worldwide/30129

[Rob Hall]

It seems specious at best how any of this is relevant to the AMT '28 Ford.  Such a kit subject is pretty much only going to appeal to the 65+ crowd, not younger modelers regardless of their testosterone levels. 

[Ace-Garageguy]

5 minutes ago, Rob Hall said:

It seems specious at best how any of this is relevant to the AMT '28 Ford.  Such a kit subject is pretty much only going to appeal to the 65+ crowd, not younger modelers regardless of their testosterone levels. 

My comment was in part a response to the statement below, arguing with YOUR position that young guys don't like older cars...(and the constant lament that most younger people have little interest in building models, period).

  On 5/16/2018 at 7:46 PM, Oldcarfan27 said:

What's funny about that is that a lot of the retro rockabilly guys and gals at the current 1:1 car shows are around 30 years or younger. And they're driving old cars. Now who's living in the past?

Even they like 'em.

[Rob Hall]

6 minutes ago, Ace-Garageguy said:

My comment was in part a response to the statement below, arguing with YOUR position that young guys don't like older cars...(and the constant lament that most younger people have little interest in building models, period).

  On 5/16/2018 at 7:46 PM, Oldcarfan27 said:

What's funny about that is that a lot of the retro rockabilly guys and gals at the current 1:1 car shows are around 30 years or younger. And they're driving old cars. Now who's living in the past?

 

I suspect those guys are tiny, tiny subset of the 30yr old crowd.   I know when i was 30, I had no interest in anything like that...modern performance cars of the era is what I was into..(had an '87 Mustang GT and a '96 BMW M3 back then). 

Edited May 19, 2018 by Rob Hall

[Oldcarfan27]

5 minutes ago, Ace-Garageguy said:

My comment was in part a response to the statement below, arguing with YOUR position that young guys don't like older cars...(and the constant lament that most younger people have little interest in building models, period).

  On 5/16/2018 at 7:46 PM, Oldcarfan27 said:

What's funny about that is that a lot of the retro rockabilly guys and gals at the current 1:1 car shows are around 30 years or younger. And they're driving old cars. Now who's living in the past?

Even they like 'em.

I'm confused, my comment was stating that there's a lot of younger folks (under 30) living in the past, liking old cars and they weren't even BORN when those car were new! I didn't say they don't like old cars - quite the contrary, I was saying that they DO!

My son loves old cars and he's only 13. I've brainwashed him well!

[Luc Janssens]

6 minutes ago, Rob Hall said:

I suspect those guys are tiny, tiny subset of the 30yr old crowd.   I know when i was 30, I had no interest in anything like that...modern performance cars of the era is what I was into..(had an '87 Mustang GT and a '96 BMW M3 back then). 

Maybe start a poll Rob, to find out what kids of the '70s would like to see kitted, and how big of a buying power that group is

 

[Rob Hall]

1 minute ago, Luc Janssens said:

Maybe start a poll Rob, to find out what kids of the '70s would like to see kitted, and how big of a buying power that group is

 

Problem with all the oldsters on this forum, there aren't enough of us.. 

[Ace-Garageguy]

2 minutes ago, Oldcarfan27 said:

I'm confused, my comment was stating that there's a lot of younger folks (under 30) living in the past, liking old cars and they weren't even BORN when those car were new! I didn't say they don't like old cars - quite the contrary, I was saying that they DO!

I understand that, and I agree with you. I was agreeing with your statement, but also positing (farther on in the post) one possible reason for the decline in interest in modeling by younger people in general.

[Luc Janssens]

 

Just now, Rob Hall said:

Problem with all the oldsters on this forum, there aren't enough of us.. 

Don't think so...otherwise kits of subject like the 90 Mustang coup and mid '80s Olds Cutlass would never happened....

[Rob Hall]

1 minute ago, Luc Janssens said:

 

Don't think so...otherwise kits of subject like the 90 Mustang coup and mid '80s Olds Cutlass would never happened....

True, can always hope for more '80s-90s subjects.    Those can appeal to people a bit older also--those born in the 50s & 60s that drove them back in the day. 

[Ace-Garageguy]

2 minutes ago, Rob Hall said:

Problem with all the oldsters on this forum, there aren't enough of us.. 

Your sweeping generalizations about older people on this forum are getting to be a drag.

I bought just as many late-model Euro and Asian subjects as I did vintage US iron...and several late-model US subjects as well...this past year. I sure as hell do MY part in supporting the industry, new subjects and older subjects.

And over the course of my life, I've owned performance cars from almost every car-building continent, from every car-building time period since the late 1940s. I enjoy them ALL.

I don't see why there always has to be this "us vs. them" bickering.

[Xingu]

This is all getting to be a drag. The rest of the forum always seems to get drawn into these bickering matches. Most of us really don't care about any of this discussion beyond is this tool still around and is the kit going to be reissued. Not sure what testosterone levels have to do with model building.

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