fiatboy Posted February 27, 2019 Posted February 27, 2019 Is the engine included a Big Block? I am building '66 Olds Toronado resin by Speed City Resin. The Olds 442 W30 has a nice seperate frame from the floor-board, and of course the V8 engine.
unclescott58 Posted February 27, 2019 Posted February 27, 2019 (edited) Big block? Back then an Oldsmobile V8 was one size block in variety of displacements. No big blocks. No small blocks. Just an Oldsmobile V8. A 442 400 basically looks the same as a Toronado 425. Color will be different. The 442 V8's in '66 were painted a bronze color. The 425 V8s, red. Edited February 27, 2019 by unclescott58
Mike999 Posted February 27, 2019 Posted February 27, 2019 (edited) In case you don't already know this: AMT/ERTL released that '66 Olds 442 as a hardtop and convertible, with 2 different engines. The hardtop has triple 2-barrel carbs, a (very nice) W-30 Ram-Air setup and no air conditioning. For a Toronado, you probably want the convertible kit. It has a single 4-barrel carb and air conditioning belts, compressor etc. This might not matter to you, but for anyone who doesn't know it: the original issue of the 442 hardtop, with the photo of the red car on the box, has the Ram Air scoops in the wrong place under the grille. AMT/ERTL fixed that in later re-issues. Edited February 27, 2019 by Mike999 goof
unclescott58 Posted February 27, 2019 Posted February 27, 2019 2 hours ago, Mike999 said: In case you don't already know this: AMT/ERTL released that '66 Olds 442 as a hardtop and convertible, with 2 different engines. The hardtop has triple 2-barrel carbs, a (very nice) W-30 Ram-Air setup and no air conditioning. For a Toronado, you probably want the convertible kit. It has a single 4-barrel carb and air conditioning belts, compressor etc. This might not matter to you, but for anyone who doesn't know it: the original issue of the 442 hardtop, with the photo of the red car on the box, has the Ram Air scoops in the wrong place under the grille. AMT/ERTL fixed that in later re-issues. It's not really two different engines. But, two different variations of the same basic engine.
Can-Con Posted February 28, 2019 Posted February 28, 2019 (edited) Also something to consider, First gen Toronados used a unique intake manifold. It was slightly dished so the carb and air cleaner would clear the low hood. All the JoHan Toros and Eldorados used the Olds engine with the correct intake. The JoHan "USA Oldies" issue of the '70 442 also has this intake, although it's wrong for anything besides a Toronado. Scott's right about the engines being different colors. The early Toro engines were light metallic blue. You can also see in this pic how low the air cleaner assembly is. Oh, and BTW, the 442 frame would be wildly incorrect for a Toronado, they were front wheel drive. Of corse, this all just assuming you want to build the car stock. Edited February 28, 2019 by Can-Con
unclescott58 Posted February 28, 2019 Posted February 28, 2019 50 minutes ago, Can-Con said: Also something to consider, First gen Toronados used a unique intake manifold. It was slightly dished so the carb and air cleaner would clear the low hood. All the JoHan Toros and Eldorados used the Olds engine with the correct intake. The JoHan "USA Oldies" issue of the '70 442 also has this intake, although it's wrong for anything besides a Toronado. Scott's right about the engines being different colors. The early Toro engines were light metallic blue. You can also see in this pic how low the air cleaner assembly is. Oh, and BTW, the 442 frame would be wildly incorrect for a Toronado, they were front wheel drive. Of corse, this all just assuming you want to build the car stock. Ah. Your right. I forgot that Toronados engines were painted that light metallic blue, rather than red of the Olds engines (except 442 of course).
Can-Con Posted February 28, 2019 Posted February 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, unclescott58 said: Ah. Your right. I forgot that Toronados engines were painted that light metallic blue, rather than red of the Olds engines (except 442 of course). I honestly can't figure out what Olds engines were what colors besides the Toros. I had a '70 Delta 88 back in the early '80s. it had a 455 2 bbl in it. It was that Olds bronze/gold color too. My best guess is the regular engines were bronze and the hi performance ones were red, but ?? But then again, I seem to remember seeing some non-Toro engines in metallic blue too, but a bit darker ? Maybe I'm just remembering that wrong.
Motor City Posted February 28, 2019 Posted February 28, 2019 I want to also mention that the '67-'76 Eldorado never used a dual-snorkel air cleaner - even though it was included in the Jo-Han kits. That air cleaner was only used on the early Toronados.
Force Posted February 28, 2019 Posted February 28, 2019 Here is what I have for colors on Oldsmobile Generation 2 engines. 400 '65-'67 Bronze 400 '68-'69 Bronze 425 '65-'67 Red; Toronado is Blue 455 '68-'72 Red; Toronado & 1970+ is Metallic Blue 455 '72-'76 Metallic Blue High compression 425s and early 455s were painted red and the air clearners were an orange/red, definately a different shade from the engine. Low compression 425s had black air cleaners.
garagepunk66 Posted March 1, 2019 Posted March 1, 2019 The Round2 MPC Daytona Transport Truck is a good source for the transaxle
sfhess Posted March 1, 2019 Posted March 1, 2019 The Speed City kit includes the Toronado transaxle, cast in one piece.
Can-Con Posted March 1, 2019 Posted March 1, 2019 On 2/27/2019 at 11:12 PM, Force said: Here is what I have for colors on Oldsmobile Generation 2 engines. 400 '65-'67 Bronze 400 '68-'69 Bronze 425 '65-'67 Red; Toronado is Blue 455 '68-'72 Red; Toronado & 1970+ is Metallic Blue 455 '72-'76 Metallic Blue High compression 425s and early 455s were painted red and the air clearners were an orange/red, definately a different shade from the engine. Low compression 425s had black air cleaners. Well, the engine in my '70 Delta 88 was definitely a 455 2bbl and it was that bronze/gold color.
dodgefever Posted March 1, 2019 Posted March 1, 2019 (edited) On 27/02/2019 at 12:35 PM, unclescott58 said: Big block? Back then an Oldsmobile V8 was one size block in variety of displacements. No big blocks. No small blocks. Just an Oldsmobile V8. A 442 400 basically looks the same as a Toronado 425. Color will be different. The 442 V8's in '66 were painted a bronze color. The 425 V8s, red. Sort of... the 400-425-455 did have a bigger block with a taller deck height and bigger mains than the 330-350, although the basic architecture was the same. Edited March 1, 2019 by dodgefever
Force Posted March 2, 2019 Posted March 2, 2019 16 hours ago, Can-Con said: Well, the engine in my '70 Delta 88 was definitely a 455 2bbl and it was that bronze/gold color. I got this list from internet somewhere and it's what I have, so I don't know if it's wrong or not.
spike morelli Posted March 4, 2019 Posted March 4, 2019 My '70 Olds 442 W-30, which is a 455, was the light metallic blue. There was also a high performance 350 cubed car which was called the W-31, and that engine was gold. .
Junkman Posted March 18, 2019 Posted March 18, 2019 On 27.2.2019 at 12:35 PM, unclescott58 said: Big block? Back then an Oldsmobile V8 was one size block in variety of displacements. No big blocks. No small blocks. Just an Oldsmobile V8. A 442 400 basically looks the same as a Toronado 425. Color will be different. The 442 V8's in '66 were painted a bronze color. The 425 V8s, red. Yes, the 425 in my 1966 Delta 88 convertible was indeed red.
yellowsportwagon Posted March 27, 2019 Posted March 27, 2019 Another thing to consider. All Olds engines aside from Toronado had the starter on the drivers side. Couldn’t use that in a Toro with the transaxle in the way.
W-31 Posted March 28, 2019 Posted March 28, 2019 On 2/27/2019 at 6:35 AM, unclescott58 said: Big block? Back then an Oldsmobile V8 was one size block in variety of displacements. No big blocks. No small blocks. Just an Oldsmobile V8. A 442 400 basically looks the same as a Toronado 425. Color will be different. The 442 V8's in '66 were painted a bronze color. The 425 V8s, red. Wrongo! Big block Olds had taller deck height, 330 was shorter than 400, 425 etc. Only pontiac blocks were the same demensions.
lordairgtar Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 On 3/3/2019 at 9:25 PM, spike morelli said: My '70 Olds 442 W-30, which is a 455, was the light metallic blue. There was also a high performance 350 cubed car which was called the W-31, and that engine was gold. . Great car. The name Spike suits you.
1972coronet Posted March 31, 2019 Posted March 31, 2019 On 3/28/2019 at 9:05 AM, W-31 said: Wrongo! Big block Olds had taller deck height, 330 was shorter than 400, 425 etc. Only pontiac blocks were the same demensions. Similar to the AMC V8 engines of '66 & up ; deck height is the difference , though there's no "big" nor "small" designation .
Daddy Mack Posted April 2, 2019 Posted April 2, 2019 On 3/28/2019 at 12:05 PM, W-31 said: Only pontiac blocks were the same demensions. Except that 260/301 Pontiacs had lower decks to fit them into the downsized 1978 A & G body cars.
sfhess Posted April 3, 2019 Posted April 3, 2019 12 hours ago, Daddy Mack said: Except that 260/301 Pontiacs had lower decks to fit them into the downsized 1978 A & G body cars. 301 was totally different from other Pontiac V8s. 260 was an Olds engine.
unclescott58 Posted April 3, 2019 Posted April 3, 2019 On 3/30/2019 at 7:01 PM, 1972coronet said: Similar to the AMC V8 engines of '66 & up ; deck height is the difference , though there's no "big" nor "small" designation . Thank you.
Daddy Mack Posted April 3, 2019 Posted April 3, 2019 10 hours ago, sfhess said: 260 was an Olds engine. Oops! That would be an LS5 Pontiac 265" V8 available in 1980 & 81. Low decks same as 301
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