Offering tips or blind praise- what SHOULD we do as a community?

[Ace-Garageguy]

4 hours ago, Richard Bartrop said:

 ...but it does seem the ones complain the most about other people's sensitivity are the ones who howl the loudest when they get a little of that blunt talk directed their way.  "I'm a fighter, but you're a snowflake" I believe is the standard line of baloney to justify it...

Perhaps, but on this forum the one who fights to defend himself is often dealt with just as harshly as the one who initiates the poo-slinging. Frankly, this is in direct contradiction to most laws concerning human aggression, where I live anyway.

We are encouraged to run to authority when we feel another member has crossed a line, and actively discouraged from rising to intentional bait.

The internet tends to bring out a lot of the worst in people, 'cause it's easy to be a tough guy sitting at a keyboard, and get away with all kinds of goading that would get a man knocked across the room face-to-face.

Edited September 12, 2019 by Ace-Garageguy

[my66s55]

2 minutes ago, Ace-Garageguy said:

Perhaps, but on this forum. the one who fights to defend himself is often dealt with just as harshly as the one who initiates the poo-slinging. Frankly, this is in direct contradiction to most laws concerning human aggression, here anyway.

We are encouraged to run to authority when we feel another member has crossed a line, and actively discouraged from rising to intentional bait.

The internet tends to bring out a lot of the worst in people, 'cause it's easy to be a tough guy sitting at a keyboard, and get away with all kinds of goading that would get a man knocked across the room face-to-face.

If you'r referring to me Bill, this is a pathetic post. I asked you to answer a simple question. You were't even able to do that.

 

[Ace-Garageguy]

10 minutes ago, my66s55 said:

 I asked you to answer a simple question. You were't even able to do that.

 

I answered your question in reasonable, coherent English. If that's not enough for you, it's not my problem.

You seem to me to be trying to provoke a confrontation, or get me mad enough to rip you a new one.

Sorry...it ain't gonna work. Have a nice day.

To quote you: " it's not important what unimportant people think."

Edited September 11, 2019 by Ace-Garageguy

[mikemodeler]

7 hours ago, BeakDoc said:

In my time as a member on this forum this may be the most fascinating and enlightening thread I’ve read. I’m not what one would label a “joiner” bur I really feel compelled to add my 2 cents to this one. For a couple days I’ve read and pondered all of the comments while culling from my thinky parts what I’d say and how it should be said. Please forgive me if I get long-winded.

As a child I loved this hobby. Alone time building representations of the cars I drooled over.... It was awesome! The builds, however, were hideous, brush painted glue bombs. But, my mom always gushed over them.

Then adulthood happened. The story is similar to many I have read on the forum. Children, jobs, chores, moves, jobs, no budget for frivolity, more chores, occasional tragedy, jobs, blah blah blah. Then about 2 years ago I decided to get back into the hobby I adored as a child.

As I sit back and look at the shelf of finished models from the past 22 months or so, I am astonished at how good they look. Especially when compared to the handful of builds beside them that somehow managed to survive since my pre-teen years. Even when I compare the first model I built when I dove back into the hobby (a Panther Pink ‘71 Hemi ‘Cuda) to some of my more recent builds, the growth in my skill level is glaring. I truly feel that I have this forum and the outstanding modelers that comprises it to thank for much of that growth. There are folks on here who can outbuild me in their sleep and folks on here that have forgotten more about cars in general than I’ll ever know, but, I dare say that there is no one on the forum from whom I cannot learn something. I won’t lie, “great build”, “nice job” and so forth are great for the confidence, or, at least, better than crickets chirping. Where I really thrive, however, is when I read constructive criticism, tips, pointers and especially questions that provoke meaningful dialogue on a specific part of a build or the basic processes or ideas that went into a particular model. I was an active duty Marine for 5 years and have spent the better part of my adult life working in professional kitchens. There is nothing anyone is going to say that’ll have me run crying to my kit stash closet in tears. I try to build each model better than the last and, largely, through this forum I feel like I have accomplished that. 

I owe each and every one of you a debt of gratitude for the inspiration your builds provide, for the guidance your tips, tricks and advice provides and for just being an all around good community of folks who love the hobby and all manner of automobiles.

This is what I was getting at. Offering critique and tips is what this hobby is about, not participation trophies. Yes, we need to encourage new builders and bring new blood into the hobby, but helping them improve their skills will bode well for the future of our hobby.

 

And thank you for your service Marine! Semper Fi!

 

[StevenGuthmiller]

1 hour ago, my66s55 said:

So, Steve , do you offer them encouragement and advice? I think I already know the answer to that. 

I'm beginning to think that you feel like you know the answers to everything, so why ask?

I think I know the answer to that.

To start an argument.

 

Up until this point this entire thread has been pretty civil and informative with everybody expressing their opinions without taking jabs.

It only takes one guy to start stirring the pot and start throwing around insinuations to mess up the whole thing.

 

I absolutely offer encouragement and advice if I respond to anybody's thread, not just new guys.

I would certainly be interested in any examples that you might have to contradict that.

 

 

Steve

[Ace-Garageguy]

In spite of some occasional ruffled feathers, I have to echo BeakDoc's sentiment, kinda:

I owe most of you a debt of gratitude for the inspiration your builds provide, for the guidance your tips, tricks and advice provides and for just being, for the most part, an all around good community of folks who love the hobby and all manner of automobiles.

[Richard Bartrop]

59 minutes ago, Ace-Garageguy said:

We are encouraged to run to authority when we feel another member has crossed a line, and actively discouraged from rising to intentional bait.

The last one is not a bad thing.  There are people who get their jollies by pushing other people's buttons, such to watch them dance.  How much time to you want to spend being someone else's puppet?

There are some games in this world that you win by not playing.

[Ace-Garageguy]

2 minutes ago, Richard Bartrop said:

The last one is not a bad thing.  There are people who get their jollies by pushing other people's buttons, such to watch them dance.  How much time to you want to spend being someone else's puppet?

There are some games in this world that you win by not playing.

I've tried it both ways. I don't know about you, but when somebody pokes me in the eye with a stick, my natural inclination is to poke him back, harder, with a bigger stick.

When Harry was here, we were encouraged to take disagreements to PM, when it was actually private, and the edit function was still enabled.

More often than not, the opponents would vent their spleens, and ultimately walk away after a virtual handshake, content to disagree, but still at least respecting each other. A few, however, opted to refuse meeting halfway, and all I can say is to H with 'em.

But I have been goaded and literally dared to go to the mods on occasion, as if it's the coward's way, when it is in fact now encouraged. After several particularly rude posts, I did just that. And after one exceedingly vile comment in a PM, I also complained.

Frankly, to settle the points myself would have been vastly more satisfying.

[Rusty92]

Well before it gets thread locked, I’d like to say that the blind praise is a 2 edged sword. It can really help people feel accomplished and push them to start on another. At the same time it also is disheartening to see people comment on something that is not very well done and gush over it. 

And yes, it is crushing to post something that you’re darn proud of but not get any likes. People want to be praised and have their work enjoyed. Again, a 2 edged sword. 

Edited September 11, 2019 by Rusty92

[Ace-Garageguy]

1 minute ago, Rusty92 said:

Well before it gets thread locked, I’d like to say that the blind praise is a 2 edged sword. It can really help people feel accomplished and push them to start on another. At the same time it also is disheartening to see people comment on something that is not very well done and gush over it. 

Mans yes, it is crushing to post something that you’re darn proud of but not get any likes. People want to be praised. 

I still maintain that almost every build has something worth singling out for mention. It takes a little more effort to put some thought into a response, but praising one aspect that's objectively worth it is better, if the intention really IS to help an aspiring modeler, than a blanket "like" style response.

[bobthehobbyguy]

11 minutes ago, Ace-Garageguy said:

I still maintain that almost every build has something worth singling out for mention. It takes a little more effort to put some thought into a response, but praising one aspect that's objectively worth it is better, if the intention really IS to help an aspiring modeler, than a blanket "like" style response.

Bill I agree 100%.  We could be lazy and have a like button. But what do you like about the build. We need to take a little time for meaningful communication.  Its what the forum is all about.

[bobthehobbyguy]

11 minutes ago, Ace-Garageguy said:

I still maintain that almost every build has something worth singling out for mention. It takes a little more effort to put some thought into a response, but praising one aspect that's objectively worth it is better, if the intention really IS to help an aspiring modeler, than a blanket "like" style response.

Bill I agree 100%.  We could be lazy and have a like button. But what do you like about the build. We need to take a little time for meaningful communication.  Its what the forum is all about.

[my66s55]

1 hour ago, StevenGuthmiller said:

I'm beginning to think that you feel like you know the answers to everything, so why ask?

I think I know the answer to that.

To start an argument.

 

Up until this point this entire thread has been pretty civil and informative with everybody expressing their opinions without taking jabs.

It only takes one guy to start stirring the pot and start throwing around insinuations to mess up the whole thing.

 

I absolutely offer encouragement and advice if I respond to anybody's thread, not just new guys.

I would certainly be interested in any examples that you might have to contradict that.

 

 

Steve

Quit to the contrary Steve. I haven't learned  how to use the smiley yet. Your advise is always welcome. You are a fine builder and have much to share.

[StevenGuthmiller]

5 minutes ago, my66s55 said:

Quit to the contrary Steve. I haven't learned  how to use the smiley yet. Your advise is always welcome. You are a fine builder and have much to share.

If I misinterpreted your statement Doug, I apologize.

 

The statement sounded like sarcasm the way it was written.......or the way it was read.

 

 

 

Steve

 

 

 

 

[my66s55]

1 minute ago, StevenGuthmiller said:

If I misinterpreted your statement Doug, I apologize.

 

The statement sounded like sarcasm the way it was written.......or the way it was read.

 

 

 

Steve

 

 

 

 

No problem, Steve. I did appreciate the message you sent me a few days ago.

 

[StevenGuthmiller]

4 minutes ago, my66s55 said:

No problem, Steve. I did appreciate the message you sent me a few days ago.

 

I have a horrible memory and have forgotten what that message was about, but I hope that it was helpful.

 

 

Steve

[Xingu]

I think this thread has run it;s course. Things are starting to get personal.