kit info needed

[jeffdeoranut]

just got this kit.  seller listed it as a chrysler 300 but is says new yorker on sides.  its a johan-has 1960 on molded in license plate.  google didnt have anything for a 60 new yorker or 300 model kit.  any info appreciated.  would glass from 60 desoto fit?

Edited September 21, 2019 by jeffdeoranut
forgot something

[Mark]

It's a New Yorker, obviously.  DeSoto glass will fit, good luck finding one though!

[thatz4u]

nice find

[DukeE]

Haven't tried it but AMT 300 glass may fit. Desoto pretty hard to find, esp just for glass. Some parts guys on Bay may have if you watch. Nice find, they never did a 60 300 AFAIK.

[Casey]

[StevenGuthmiller]

The glass from any of the Johan 1960/'61 Mopar kits will fit, including Chrysler, Desoto, Dodge and Plymouth.

I believe that the '62 300 glass is different, but give it a shot.

 

 

Steve

 

 

[gtx6970]

1 hour ago, DukeE said:

. Nice find, they never did a 60 300 AFAIK.

Correct No 60 or 61 Chrysler 300. the 1st one in scale was the 62

 

I'm taking the remains of a 1962  300 and combining with  the remains with a 1961 NY and make my own

1961 Chrysler 300, might even chop the top off and make a 1961 300 convertible in 1.25th scale

[StevenGuthmiller]

4 hours ago, gtx6970 said:

Correct No 60 or 61 Chrysler 300. the 1st one in scale was the 62

Sadly a 300 convertible was apparently planned for '61, but for some reason, it never came to fruition.

It was proudly listed on the '61 Johan box along with a '61 Fury and a '61 Dart convertibles which never materialized either.

 

 

 

Steve

 

 

 

 

 

[ChrisBcritter]

Good find! That '60 kit has a couple problems from the factory; only the Windsor grille is flush with the surround, and the front bumper is missing the indent for the license plate:

The Modelhaus made a corrected New Yorker grille, but good luck finding one now.

[espo]

A parking mishap ?? 

[Deuces]

T boned.... ☹️

[SfanGoch]

11 hours ago, StevenGuthmiller said:

I believe that the '62 300 glass is different, but give it a shot.

The '62 300 glass is the same as and fits the '60 Desoto; so, it'll fit the '60 New Yorker as well.

[StevenGuthmiller]

50 minutes ago, SfanGoch said:

The '62 300 glass is the same as and fits the '60 Desoto; so, it'll fit the '60 New Yorker as well.

Perfect.

Never tried it myself, so now we know.

 

Steve

[jeffdeoranut]

so, anbody have glass from a 62 300 they can part with?

 

[Mark]

The '62 Chrysler glass is not the same as the '60 Chrysler/DeSoto unit!  The windshield shape is different ('60 windshield "bulges out" at the top, '62 is "flatter" at the top).  The '62 piece appears to be the more accurate of the two, even for a 1960 car.  

'61 Plymouth/Dodge windshield might work, but the rear glass is different from Chrysler and DeSoto.  Not that you'll be tripping over any of these at the shows.  Okey Spaulding was selling Jo-Han clear parts at meets, but last time I saw him (NNL East earlier this year) about all he had was '69 SC/Rambler and maybe some Toronado or Eldorado glass.  The good stuff is all gone.

[SfanGoch]

I guess I must be imaging things, Mark. I performed a test last year by switching the glass from both the '60 Desoto and '62 300 and they fit perfectly into the each other's kit body. Also, it was pointed out in another thread that both the "bulged" and "flat" windshield g;ass was optional for 1957-1962 Chrysler products. The 1960-62 Mopars, including Desotos and New Yorkers, used the common Dodge/Plymouth unibody. Bottom line is they are all the same car, down to the roof sheet metal and front/rear glass.

1960 Desoto Adventurer

1960 Chrysler 300 F

1960 Chrysler New Yorker/Saratoga

1961 Desoto

1961 Chrysler 300 G

1961 Chrysler New Yorker

1962 Chrysler 300

[Mark]

I've never heard of the "bulged" windshield being optional, but that doesn't make a difference.  I'll stand by what I said (and what I didn't say):

-I didn't say that one part won't fit in place of the other...

-I did say that they are not the same.

[StevenGuthmiller]

I believe that Joe may be right.

If I recall correctly, the "Panoramic Windshield" (bulged at the top) was an option for some of the 1960-'61 Mopars.

 

 

Steve

[SfanGoch]

The Panoramic Windshield was an option from 1957 through the 1964 model years. It was dropped starting in 1965.

1 hour ago, Mark said:

I've never heard of the "bulged" windshield being optional, but that doesn't make a difference.  I'll stand by what I said (and what I didn't say):

-I didn't say that one part won't fit in place of the other...

-I did say that they are not the same.

 

8 hours ago, Mark said:

The '62 piece appears to be the more accurate of the two, even for a 1960 car.  

It might appear that way to you; but, historically, that isn't the case. Since it was a documented option, using either the panoramic glass from the '60 Desoto or the flat from the'62 New Yorker would be accurate because both glass options were available for it.

1960 Chrysler New Yorker Wagon w/panoramic windshield

 

1960 Chrysler New Yorker with the panoramic windshield

So, according to what you wrote, these to cars have the wrong windshield?

[thatz4u]

are you talking Real or kits?  as far as kits go the windshield could all be the same in order to cut costs...my 2 cents..

[SfanGoch]

The kit windshields. The actual vehicles were used to illustrate that either glass could be used because either would be correct and accurate when compared to the real cars. I also posted the pics to show that all of those cars were essentially the same vehicles.

[StevenGuthmiller]

1 hour ago, thatz4u said:

as far as kits go the windshield could all be the same in order to cut costs...my 2 cents..

No.

Johan produced both of them depending on the kit.

 

I built my '60 New Yorker with the Panoramic glass, and the '61 without.

I've done so much shuffling around with the glass in these early 60s Johan Mopars that I don't recall which kits came with what glass.

 

 

Steve

[thatz4u]

1 hour ago, StevenGuthmiller said:

No.

Johan produced both of them depending on the kit.

 

I built my '60 New Yorker with the Panoramic glass, and the '61 without.

I've done so much shuffling around with the glass in these early 60s Johan Mopars that I don't recall which kits came with what glass.

 

 

Steve

I stand corrected, thanks....?

[ChrisBcritter]

On 9/21/2019 at 7:28 PM, espo said:

A parking mishap ?? 

Not sure; I found the photo on eBay years ago. I used it to get the size and shape of the license plate opening and the position of the seams: