W.I.P. Ferrari 275P - Race & Driver TBD

[Pierre Rivard]

On 4/15/2023 at 4:35 PM, Bugatti Fan said:

That is one very old kit Pierre. I think it dates back to the 60s when the car raced.

I think that Airfix did one in 1/32nd scale way back.

yup, underside of body shell has "Monogram c 1964" molded in. It's crude but I'll try to make it more presentable.

[Pierre Rivard]

15 hours ago, 1959scudetto said:

A few thoughts concerning the wheels:

Looking through my stash of kits, I recently discovered that the old Protar 250 GTO (which has been reissued by Revell AG in 2007) has an misshapened body (will be used as a donor for resin kit), but very delicately molded 3-piece wire wheels. Best thing is: it has even 4 parts for outlaced spokes that are not to be used in this kit ! They certainly can be combined with the Italeri back halfs for the Italeri kit tires as well (but these are of the same size front and rear).

Here are some pictures (at 10 p.m. unfortunately no daylight pics are possible): on the left the Protar wheels - besides the Monogram chrome tree.

The tires are rather crude with Dunlop Racing on the outside and Continental on the other side (fronts) but totally blank (rears):

left: Protar front - right Monogram: 

Here are the rear wheels:

from left to right: Monogram - Protar - Italeri

I'm not sure if it is possible to tone down convincingly the glossy sticky surface of the Protar vinyl tires, you still have the crude side profile...

Maybe I will use the smaller Protar wheels with outside spokes front and Italeris rear.

Italeri: Diameter ca. 27 mm, Protar front ca. 26,5 and Protar rear 27 mm (ca. 27,5 mm with Italeri's rims inserted - fits, but stretches the tire a little bit)

Looks like you have found the parts needed to solve the issue of the front and rear wheel configuration. The Protar wheels are indeed very finely cast. You have not explained what the Italeri parts are from though. Looks like the most useable of the 3 tires is the Monogram. Hope you will do the wheel/tire set and post. I don't have these parts available but working on an idea I will share when I get the parts together.

[Pierre Rivard]

Work started on the body. Initial job was to try to correct the shape that looks odd to me. The 275P is a bit slab sided by design but the way the body is molded exaggerates the effect because the transition from horizontal to vertical planes is very abrupt. I was able to remove a significant amount of material thanks to the fairly thick casting.

I also tackled the canopy to body integration, starting with taking out the molded in wiper, a first for my and quite a stressful operation.

 

[250 Testa Rossa]

I will be watching this build closely because I have the same kit and really want to improve it. 

[MarkJ]

Wow, Pierre. Removing that wiper blade was a feat of magic. And then adding the windshield mount that runs through the tops of the doors was awesome too. Really improves the overall look of the model and makes it one of a kind. Always look forward to your updates to see what you have cooked up for us to be amazed by. This is going to really be special when completed. Like all of your other builds.

[Pierre Rivard]

1 hour ago, 250 Testa Rossa said:

I will be watching this build closely because I have the same kit and really want to improve it. 

Thanks Maxx. I'm making it up as I go. If you have any ideas don't hesitate to jump in.

[Pierre Rivard]

1 hour ago, MarkJ said:

Wow, Pierre. Removing that wiper blade was a feat of magic. And then adding the windshield mount that runs through the tops of the doors was awesome too. Really improves the overall look of the model and makes it one of a kind. Always look forward to your updates to see what you have cooked up for us to be amazed by. This is going to really be special when completed. Like all of your other builds.

Yup, that wiper blade thing scared me but in the end it was pretty easy to do. Working on these old kits is always fun. 

[1959scudetto]

7 hours ago, Pierre Rivard said:

Looks like you have found the parts needed to solve the issue of the front and rear wheel configuration. The Protar wheels are indeed very finely cast. You have not explained what the Italeri parts are from though. Looks like the most useable of the 3 tires is the Monogram. Hope you will do the wheel/tire set and post. I don't have these parts available but working on an idea I will share when I get the parts together.

Pierre, the Italeri wheels are from their late 80's model kits: all classic Ferraris had those wires with same tire size front and rear, and the 300 SL (roadster and gullwing) had these tires also.

The 1987 Revell GTO (Italeri reissue has them, too:

The 2007 Revell GTO (= Protar reissue) sports the aforementioned Protar wheels:

 

These are the kits from my stash which I took the tires from.

 

[1959scudetto]

Sorry for flooding your thread,Pierre - I will hold back from now on.

[absmiami]

Large improvements …

[Pierre Rivard]

3 hours ago, 1959scudetto said:

Sorry for flooding your thread,Pierre - I will hold back from now on.

Don't, I like the input. Keep it coming.

[Pierre Rivard]

2 hours ago, absmiami said:

Large improvements …

Getting there. Still need to clear the wheel issue. That's right after I'm done with body mods.

[Pierre Rivard]

I sanded off the marker lights for racing number ID on the body sides and making my own with pins, so I can finish them separate from the body. Total of 8 needed for this build. A bit of finesse sanding to be done when prepping for paint.

 

Edited April 20, 2023 by Pierre Rivard

[Pierre Rivard]

4 lite scoops needed to be added on this car. two that I assume are fro rear brake cooling and two adjacent to the hood, use unknown.

starting with 4mm and 3,2 mm tubes, slice end piece at an angle. Some putty to smooth out these to be added after glue has dried up.

 

[Pierre Rivard]

Drilling o.5mm holes in canopy flange I fabricated. I'll be inserting 0.5mm silver painted  bits at the end of the build to simulate the little rivets holding the trim pieces to the body.

Slight mods to front end to reflect the opening as the car was. The kit only had one opening. I also added hooks for hoisting the car at pit stops.

On the back side I built better exhaust outlets with drilled 2mm rod.

The body is now ready for prep and primer apply.

 

[Gramps46]

Looking good.  I like the idea of slicing tubes for scoops.

[1959scudetto]

Outrageous work, Pierre - your creativity is amazing! The canopy flange will definitely look excellent when done. Cutting tubes with an angle and using them as scoops is an idea I was also thinking about but have not put into reality yet (must organize myself tubes with the right diameter)

[Rich Chernosky]

This is turning into a real work of art.  Most don't know all the little details that go into a model. I can really appreciate that work when I see it as a WIP.  Some great ideas there too. Thanks for sharing. 

[MarkJ]

Some more awesome detailing going on here. Loving the scoops and other additions to the body that really add a lot of appeal to the viewer of the build. A lot of people will not realize the kit you are using is the one they are seeing. That's true advanced modeling right here.

Edited April 20, 2023 by MarkJ

[Pierre Rivard]

Thanks fellas. You know how it goes, we start with a basic kit thinking will go quick but as we study period pictures and ideas start bubbling up we see all the needed add on features. I primed the girl this afternoon (first try of a true red Vallejo primer) and all the added features have blended in well.

 

[Belugawrx]

Very nice blending in your details Pierre

30 pc. kit huh..?

I know what you mean about adding things after research...it's a given

 

[Pierre Rivard]

The wheels on the 275P (as well as the 250LM) were a bit of a unique arrangement. The front are slim looking out-laced configuration and the rears a more classic Borrani style, inlaced with a deeper offset. The reference picture shows that well.

Scratching my head (again...) looking for a solution I chose to try something similar to the setup on the Chaparral project (deepening the rear wheels)

Starting point is with Jack Modeling Jaguar style wire wheels. They came in from France exactly one week after ordering. I received 2 sets, including 2 extra wheels (total of 10) with a bag full of spinners for 13 euros, shipping included!

I plan to use the wheel unchanged for the front and modified for the rear. The idea is to use another wheel to mimic the offset and size the opening to cover the end of the out-laced spokes. I used HRM leftover parts for this but I can see doing something similar with other types of wheels.

After some work to open up the HRM to the diameter I was looking for and delicately shaving off the front edge of the Jack wire wheels came up with this result. Still some finessing needed and the real test will be how it all looks after paint and working the tires a bit. I'll report back when that is done.

 

[1959scudetto]

This is the solution, Pierre - great idea gluing the rim onto the Jack spokewheel. I will try that also with my build.

[absmiami]

Vell done …

[MarkJ]

Pierre, looking at what you did on the wheel spokes makes my head hurt. I would have lost half of them trying to do that. It's really going to add a lot to the realism of the build. Very intricate work going on there.