Revell Deuce Tudor being reissued

[Dave Darby]

10 hours ago, Richard Bartrop said:

There is absolutely nothing wrong with just wanting to build straight out of the box, and should you be tempted to label someone as "just" anything,  it's good to remember that no matter how good you think you are, there are builders out there who can quite simply blow you out of the water.

 

I very much agree with that. That's one reason I did not use the word "just". I have built plenty of models "out of the box", especially during my box art building days. And, it is relaxing. I actually have a few that are simply polished plastic. But I've been kit-bashing since I started building, at around the age of 6. The whole point of building models is to have fun, so basically, "you do you". My point was that if you are an out of box builder, it's going to be rare that a manufacturer is going to build precisely the configuration of kit you are looking for. Hence, perhaps people should spend less time bashing kit contents, and more time kit-bashing. It's fun.

[SpeedShift]

18 hours ago, styromaniac said:

I for one appreciate the addition of the "Out of Box" categories in local model shows/contests. Aside from the opportunity to decompress and just re-hone basic building skills after a period of super detailing a project...the more categories that are available... the better.

LOL - Well, I guess until the day that judges are required to mandate "originality" when awarding prizes in contests, OTB will always be popular.

Some OTB contest rules don't even allow you to wire an engine, or change decals.

 

Edited May 30, 2024 by SpeedShift

[niteowl7710]

48 minutes ago, SpeedShift said:

LOL - Well, I guess until the day that judges are required to mandate "originality" when awarding prizes in contests, OTB will always be popular.

Some OTB contest rules don't even allow you to wire an engine, or change decals.

I've run across a contest that claimed swapping decals disqualified what I was entering as OTB, I still placed anyways against the full detail builds.

But no OTB/Box Stock class should allow you to wire the engine. Or flock the floor. Or do anything other than drill out the exhaust and taper/thin parts to scale. Otherwise there's no point to the class. The whole point is to build what comes in the kit and only what comes in the kit. Even that has gotten so dicey lately IPMS re-wrote the rules on their OTB to be specifically single-media (aka no P/E, turned metal, etc). So many tanks come with metal or 3D printed tracks, metal barrels, sheets of P/E and so on that OTB was losing it's meaning. 

[SpeedShift]

8 hours ago, niteowl7710 said:

I've run across a contest that claimed swapping decals disqualified what I was entering as OTB, I still placed anyways against the full detail builds.

But no OTB/Box Stock class should allow you to wire the engine. Or flock the floor. Or do anything other than drill out the exhaust and taper/thin parts to scale. Otherwise there's no point to the class. The whole point is to build what comes in the kit and only what comes in the kit. Even that has gotten so dicey lately IPMS re-wrote the rules on their OTB to be specifically single-media (aka no P/E, turned metal, etc). So many tanks come with metal or 3D printed tracks, metal barrels, sheets of P/E and so on that OTB was losing it's meaning. 

Somewhere along the line I noticed that some more expensive kits over the years were marketed as "Hi Tech".....they included photo etched parts, wiring etc. perhaps to keep up with the aftermarket options that were gaining popularity.

If you use only what comes in the kit, (PE parts Resin parts, wiring etc.z)  isn't it still OTB? 

I see in the IPMS rules that there were clarifications, 

IPMS MODEL CLASSIC:

4. Separate Out of Box categories: Out of Box models
may also be entered in the appropriate regular categories if
desired but will be judged as NOT Out of Box against
their peers in the category.

Models entered in the appropriate Out of Box Categories
must be constructed using only the parts that came in the
kit. There are a few exceptions such as adding simple seat
belts, rigging or ship railings. Check with the Head Judge
if necessary. These entries must be accompanied by kit
instructions or original box art

 

IPMS NATIONAL RULES (WITH 2022 CHANGES)

I don't see an Out of the Box category, but there is something called a Basic Kit Build : BKB rule, given all the confusion resulting from packaging of "aftermarket" parts (resin, photo etch) in some modern kits.

G. Basic Kit Build (BKB) – Single Media Only, 

General Guidelines: (in effect for 2022, 2023, and 2024 contests)

i. The IPMS/USA National Contest will include separate categories in selected Classes for Basic Kit Build (BKB) entries. 

 An exception to this is the Junior Class; since the number of Junior entries are relatively low, most Junior entries are regularly built as basic kit builds. 

ii. The model builder should note that entering a model in any Basic Kit Build category is their choice.

Models in these categories have limitations applied to them that are not applied to entries in the rest of the categories. 

iii. The spirit of building BKB is two-fold: 

(a) First, to limit yourself to using only those components supplied by the kit makers of older/simpler/less expensive kits, and yet work to get the best result regardless of any shortcomings in the base kit, such as may exist with its detailing or accuracy. 

(b) Second, to compete at a more basic level, knowing that basic modeling skills are the only difference-maker - not what variety of detailing materials is supplied by the kit manufacturer, nor by after-market detailing sets, nor by using more advanced re-building or scratch-building skills. 

 

iv. The general BKB approach is to build what came in the kit box. 

In some cases, this may result in a perceived incomplete or inaccurate model.

While prior guidelines for out-of-the-box were modified for exceptions/inclusions, the BKB approach will return to “what came in the kit box”.

You are not required to make-up for any perceived kit deficiencies/inaccuracies based on detailing accessories. 

Some examples are: 

(a) Aircraft models aren’t required to have antennas, rigging wires, seatbelts, nor can they be added unless they’re included or noted in kit instructions. IPMS/USA © 2022 National Contest Rules All Rights Reserved Page 4 of 6 

(b) Automotive models aren’t required to have seatbelts, radio antennas, battery cables, spark-plug wires, or fan belts, nor can they be added unless they’re included or noted in kit instructions. 

(c) Military Vehicle models aren’t required to have closed sponsons, separate tow cables, or radio aerials, nor can they be added unless they’re included or noted in kit instructions. 

(d) Ship models aren’t required to have railings, radar antennas, or rigging, nor can they be added unless they’re included or noted in kit instructions.

v. All Class Head Judges and the Chief Judge will have final say as to what is permitted for any BKB entries within their Classes. 

vi. Models that meet the Basic Kit Build criteria (outlined below) may be entered in the BKB categories, but they are not required to be entered there. 

Modelers may, therefore, choose to place their model in a standard category, where it will be judged against the other entries with no reference to it being a BKB kit. 

vii. Basic Kit Build (BKB), Specific Guidelines: The BKB entries will be governed by the following rules: 

(a) Kits. Any commercially available kit may be used as long as the kit is constructed as a predominantly single medium product. 

It can consist of an all-polystyrene kit, an all-resin kit, an all-photoetch kit, or any other ‘single’ material. 

Kits with various other materials included (e.g., cast-resin or 3D-resin detailing accessories, etched metal detailing frets, turned-metal detailing parts, and other similar detailing parts) will not be permitted. 

Examples of other material parts that will be allowed are kit-supplied vacuum-formed windscreens, canopies, windows for Aircraft and Automotive models; kit-supplied rubber/vinyl tires and poly-caps to retain wheels and/or parts attached to pylons; metal gearboxes and/or metal rod axles for Armor and Automotive models. 

(b) As a general guideline, kit parts that are necessary to complete and support the overall structure of the completed model are allowed. However, other kit parts that provide enhanced surface-detailing to a completed model will not be allowed for a BKB entry. 

(c) Construction. The modeler may fill seams and gaps; sand off rivets; drill out gun ports, exhaust pipes, or other appropriate openings; thin to-scale such parts as trailing edges, flaps, and doors; re-scribe panel lines lost in construction, and add rigging and antennas, if shown on the kit’s instructions. No major reconstruction or modifications will be allowed for BKB entries. 

(d) Decals: Decals other than those included with the kit may be used. They may be used to replace old/damaged/missing kit decals. They may also be used to provide alternative insignia and markings to those originally provided with a kit. However, their use for BKB entries is restricted to 2-dimensional water-slide or dry transfer products. 3-dimensional products such as 3D printed or resin-dot printed instrument panels, access panels, fasteners, bolts, rivets, stitching, etc., are commercially offered as after-market improved-detailing products, and so fall outside of the intended/ accepted usage as decals for BKB entries. 

(e) Finish. All painting/finishing techniques are allowed. Insignia, markings, and instrument panels may be hand painted instead of using decals. 

Weathering is permitted. 

(f) Exclusions. It is not permitted to vacuum-form, manufacture, or replace any part, or substitute parts from another kit; cut or separate canopies, surfaces, hatches, doors, etc. (no major surgery); combine a standard kit with a conversion kit; add anything other than specified on the instruction sheet. 

(g) Instruction Sheets. Modelers must attach at least the first page of the kit instruction sheet to the entry form and have the rest of the instruction sheet accessible to the judges for review during judging (preferably, directly under the table from the model). Models entered without an attached kit instruction sheet cannot be considered for a BKB award, since judges then cannot verify if the builder used only kit-supplied parts

Edited May 31, 2024 by SpeedShift

[Phildaupho]

It is great that the the reissued Deuce Sedan has generated to much interest and discussion. I just picked mine up at the local hobby shop here in Victoria BC Canada. The price was $42.99 Canadian plus 12% tax which works out to about $35US tax in.

I previously built two models from the original issue both self chopped. This new issue I will be building pretty much out of the box as a tribute to a local car I like very much. There are a number of very nice Deuce Sedans in Victoria and near by. Most are unchopped and full fendered.

[styromaniac]

2 hours ago, SpeedShift said:

Somewhere along the line I noticed that some more expensive kits over the years were marketed as "Hi Tech".....they included photo etched parts, wiring etc. perhaps to keep up with the aftermarket options that were gaining popularity.

If you use only what comes in the kit, (PE parts wiring etc.z)  isn't it still OTB? 

I see in the IPMS rules that there were clarifications, 

IPMS MODEL CLASSIC:

4. Separate Out of Box categories: Out of Box models
may also be entered in the appropriate regular categories if
desired but will be judged as NOT Out of Box against
their peers in the category.

Models entered in the appropriate Out of Box Categories
must be constructed using only the parts that came in the
kit. There are a few exceptions such as adding simple seat
belts, rigging or ship railings. Check with the Head Judge
if necessary. These entries must be accompanied by kit
instructions or original box art

 

IPMS NATIONAL RULES (WITH 2022 CHANGES)

I don't see an Out of the Box category, but there is something called a Basic Kit Build : BKB rule,

given all the packaging of aftermarket parts photo etch in some modern kits.

G. Basic Kit Build (BKB) – Single Media Only, 

General Guidelines: (in effect for 2022, 2023, and 2024 contests)

i. The IPMS/USA National Contest will include separate categories in selected Classes for Basic Kit Build (BKB) entries. 

 An exception to this is the Junior Class; since the number of Junior entries are relatively low, most Junior entries are regularly built as basic kit builds. 

ii. The model builder should note that entering a model in any Basic Kit Build category is their choice. Models in these categories have limitations applied to them that are not applied to entries in the rest of the categories. 

iii. The spirit of building BKB is two-fold: 

(a) First, to limit yourself to using only those components supplied by the kit makers of older/simpler/less expensive kits, and yet work to get the best result regardless of any shortcomings in the base kit, such as may exist with its detailing or accuracy. 

(b) Second, to compete at a more basic level, knowing that basic modeling skills are the only difference-maker - not what variety of detailing materials is supplied by the kit manufacturer, nor by after-market detailing sets, nor by using more advanced re-building or scratch-building skills. 

iv. The general BKB approach is to build what came in the kit box. 

In some cases, this may result in a perceived incomplete or inaccurate model.

While prior guidelines for out-of-the-box were modified for exceptions/inclusions, the BKB approach will return to “what came in the kit box”. You are not required to make-up for any perceived kit deficiencies/inaccuracies based on detailing accessories. 

Some examples are: 

(a) Aircraft models aren’t required to have antennas, rigging wires, seatbelts, nor can they be added unless they’re included or noted in kit instructions. IPMS/USA © 2022 National Contest Rules All Rights Reserved Page 4 of 6 

(b) Automotive models aren’t required to have seatbelts, radio antennas, battery cables, spark-plug wires, or fan belts, nor can they be added unless they’re included or noted in kit instructions. 

(c) Military Vehicle models aren’t required to have closed sponsons, separate tow cables, or radio aerials, nor can they be added unless they’re included or noted in kit instructions. 

(d) Ship models aren’t required to have railings, radar antennas, or rigging, nor can they be added unless they’re included or noted in kit instructions. v. All Class Head Judges and the Chief Judge will have final say as to what is permitted for any BKB entries within their Classes. 

vi. Models that meet the Basic Kit Build criteria (outlined below) may be entered in the BKB categories, but they are not required to be entered there. 

Modelers may, therefore, choose to place their model in a standard category, where it will be judged against the other entries with no reference to it being a BKB kit. 

vii. Basic Kit Build (BKB), Specific Guidelines: The BKB entries will be governed by the following rules: 

(a) Kits. Any commercially available kit may be used as long as the kit is constructed as a predominantly single medium product. 

It can consist of an all-polystyrene kit, an all-resin kit, an all-photoetch kit, or any other ‘single’ material. 

Kits with various other materials included (e.g., cast-resin or 3D-resin detailing accessories, etched metal detailing frets, turned-metal detailing parts, and other similar detailing parts) will not be permitted. 

Examples of other material parts that will be allowed are kit-supplied vacuum-formed windscreens, canopies, windows for Aircraft and Automotive models; kit-supplied rubber/vinyl tires and poly-caps to retain wheels and/or parts attached to pylons; metal gearboxes and/or metal rod axles for Armor and Automotive models. 

(b) As a general guideline, kit parts that are necessary to complete and support the overall structure of the completed model are allowed. However, other kit parts that provide enhanced surface-detailing to a completed model will not be allowed for a BKB entry. 

(c) Construction. The modeler may fill seams and gaps; sand off rivets; drill out gun ports, exhaust pipes, or other appropriate openings; thin to-scale such parts as trailing edges, flaps, and doors; re-scribe panel lines lost in construction, and add rigging and antennas, if shown on the kit’s instructions. No major reconstruction or modifications will be allowed for BKB entries. 

(d) Decals: Decals other than those included with the kit may be used. They may be used to replace old/damaged/missing kit decals. They may also be used to provide alternative insignia and markings to those originally provided with a kit. However, their use for BKB entries is restricted to 2-dimensional water-slide or dry transfer products. 3-dimensional products such as 3D printed or resin-dot printed instrument panels, access panels, fasteners, bolts, rivets, stitching, etc., are commercially offered as after-market improved-detailing products, and so fall outside of the intended/ accepted usage as decals for BKB entries. 

(e) Finish. All painting/finishing techniques are allowed. Insignia, markings, and instrument panels may be hand painted instead of using decals. 

Weathering is permitted. 

(f) Exclusions. It is not permitted to vacuum-form, manufacture, or replace any part, or substitute parts from another kit; cut or separate canopies, surfaces, hatches, doors, etc. (no major surgery); combine a standard kit with a conversion kit; add anything other than specified on the instruction sheet. 

(g) Instruction Sheets. Modelers must attach at least the first page of the kit instruction sheet to the entry form and have the rest of the instruction sheet accessible to the judges for review during judging (preferably, directly under the table from the model). Models entered without an attached kit instruction sheet cannot be considered for a BKB award, since judges then cannot verify if the builder used only kit-supplied parts

Wow...thats a lot of verbiage! I liked it when IPMS in Richmond and Fairfax Va simply said that "OTB - Out of Box" meant "kit parts only"...you can make some alterations that fall under good modeling skills...like filling sink marks, smoothing seams and ejection pin marks, drilling out exhaust ports, etc...but nothing outside of kit parts can be used..."except paper seat belts and decals sourced from other kits or aftermarket sources". Beyond that...NYET. And instruction sheets MUST be included.

[SpeedShift]

38 minutes ago, styromaniac said:

Wow...thats a lot of verbiage! I liked it when IPMS in Richmond and Fairfax Va simply said that "OTB - Out of Box" meant "kit parts only"...you can make some alterations that fall under good modeling skills...like filling sink marks, smoothing seams and ejection pin marks, drilling out exhaust ports, etc...but nothing outside of kit parts can be used..."except paper seat belts and decals sourced from other kits or aftermarket sources". Beyond that...NYET. And instruction sheets MUST be included.

Those were simpler rules.

Guess with some kits now putting in PE and resin parts, IPMS National had to make a "single medium" basic kit building (BKB) rule to eliminate those kinds of PE, resin, metal parts that would unfairly enhance a basic "OTB" build, or else someone could argue they should be in OTB category, - as they were simply using "what came in the box" .

[TNT]

On 3/26/2024 at 2:45 AM, krassandbernie said:

Yes, just molded this past December along with the chopped Fordor sedan body (one more time)...........masters done by our very own talented Dennis Lacy!

Where can i get that 4door body? Would like at least 2. Chop the top, channel the body, n Z the frame. 

[68shortfleet]

21 hours ago, TNT said:

Where can i get that 4door body? Would like at least 2. Chop the top, channel the body, n Z the frame. 

Ed at Drag City Casting. Easily found on Facebook or send him an email at lowcab36@epix.net

[Rocking Rodney Rat]

'32 sedan with QC added. Crossmember and spring from the Revell '29 Ford pickup (and other versions of that kit). QC from the parts box...available in several kits. Notice that the gas tank was notched to fit the QC.... RRR

  

[Richard Bartrop]

I ordered the Tudor from P M Hobbycraft, and I'll pick it up the next time I'm in the area. It was $41.99 Canadian, which is lower than a lot of Round 2's offerings, and $20 less than what the new Deuce roadster is going for here. 

[stavanzer]

And Here is the Build Video.

 

[slusher]

Thanks Alan!

Edited June 23, 2024 by slusher
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[stavanzer]

I just got my Tudor.

It looks even better in person than it does in the Video.