Monty Posted December 18, 2024 Posted December 18, 2024 I'd heard that Tamiya panel liner could damage enamel paint jobs* because it's based on enamel reducer. This is a concern to me because 95% of the paint I use is enamel. Any truth to this, and if so, what would work better on enamels? *I did a little research on my own & came across some Brit modeling sites where this was being discussed because it was eating their paint (Humbrol enamels) or in a few extreme cases cracking the actual plastic on their gundams.** **Don't know if that's the correct term and reeeeeaaallllyyy don't care.
NOBLNG Posted December 18, 2024 Posted December 18, 2024 I rarely use enamel paint so have no first hand experience….but this is what the bottle says. Maybe try thinning down some water based acrylic paint to use?
Straightliner59 Posted December 18, 2024 Posted December 18, 2024 Vallejo makes good washes that are water-based. I also use India ink, sometimes.
StevenGuthmiller Posted December 19, 2024 Posted December 19, 2024 I’ve gotten to the point where I don’t require a panel liner anymore, as I just deeply scribe the panel lines, which eliminates the need for darkening panel lines. But when I did darken them, just plain old acrylic craft paint thinned to a wash consistency is all that you need. I have never found any need for a specific panel line paint. Just another expense, and more clutter for the shop in my opinion. You may want to keep in mind that black panel line accents generally look out of place on a very light color, such as white, so I would usually use a darker version of the body color for the panel lines to cut back on the “stark” appearance of black. This Bonneville used no accent. Just deeply scribed panels. This ‘58 Buick was done with acrylic craft paint. Steve 3 1
Pierre Rivard Posted December 19, 2024 Posted December 19, 2024 I too have Vallejo washes in my arsenal as weathering purposes and I also use them for panel line. They are acrylic bases and clean easy with water. I usually choose a color just a bit darker than the exterior to provide a subtle effect. Example on this car I used light gray. 2
eldo60 Posted December 27, 2024 Posted December 27, 2024 On 12/18/2024 at 6:01 PM, StevenGuthmiller said: I’ve gotten to the point where I don’t require a panel liner anymore, as I just deeply scribe the panel lines, which eliminates the need for darkening panel lines. But when I did darken them, just plain old acrylic craft paint thinned to a wash consistency is all that you need. I have never found any need for a specific panel line paint. Just another expense, and more clutter for the shop in my opinion. You may want to keep in mind that black panel line accents generally look out of place on a very light color, such as white, so I would usually use a darker version of the body color for the panel lines to cut back on the “stark” appearance of black. This Bonneville used no accent. Just deeply scribed panels. This ‘58 Buick was done with acrylic craft paint. Steve that looks very good, I do the same i scribe a little deeper to eliminate the use of panel liner, but I do use it for blacking out grills etc.
W-409 Posted December 27, 2024 Posted December 27, 2024 I've used that Tamiya's Panel Line Accent Color and I've used it on top of acryls and enamels and I've never had any issues with it. So with that said, I wouldn't be that worried about it.
dmthamade Posted December 27, 2024 Posted December 27, 2024 I make my own washes using Tamiya acrylic paint, water and liquid dishwasher soap. Doing it with paint gives me the flexibility to get almost any color i need(almost always black), the soap means i can clean up and wipe away excess. I've used this for decades, never had it affect the paint or plastic beneath. Ingredients are at hand so no added costs. Have to say, the deeper door lines do look nice, #11 blade, sewing needle, panel line scriber or? Don
StevenGuthmiller Posted December 27, 2024 Posted December 27, 2024 3 hours ago, dmthamade said: I make my own washes using Tamiya acrylic paint, water and liquid dishwasher soap. Doing it with paint gives me the flexibility to get almost any color i need(almost always black), the soap means i can clean up and wipe away excess. I've used this for decades, never had it affect the paint or plastic beneath. Ingredients are at hand so no added costs. Have to say, the deeper door lines do look nice, #11 blade, sewing needle, panel line scriber or? Don I just use the back of a #11 blade. Steve 1
rattle can man Posted December 27, 2024 Posted December 27, 2024 I've tried a product called the detailer, India ink and cheap acrylic craft paint. For me, the craft paint works best.
stavanzer Posted December 28, 2024 Posted December 28, 2024 On 12/27/2024 at 6:41 AM, dmthamade said: I make my own washes using Tamiya acrylic paint, water and liquid dishwasher soap. Doing it with paint gives me the flexibility to get almost any color i need(almost always black), the soap means i can clean up and wipe away excess. I've used this for decades, never had it affect the paint or plastic beneath. Ingredients are at hand so no added costs. Have to say, the deeper door lines do look nice, #11 blade, sewing needle, panel line scriber or? Don Don, what are the ratios you use on the three ingredients you listed? I'd like ti try making my own.
Force Posted December 28, 2024 Posted December 28, 2024 The Tamiya panel liner paints are banned here in Sweden and not allowed to be sold anymore, so we have to use different things for our models.
dmthamade Posted December 28, 2024 Posted December 28, 2024 2 hours ago, stavanzer said: Don, what are the ratios you use on the three ingredients you listed? I'd like ti try making my own. I use an old Tamiya acrylic paint bottle(small size) half full of water. I add 3-4 drops of paint, and two drops of liquid dishwasher soap. Mix thoroughly and use. This works best on a gloss surface, if you use on flat, it will create a hard to clean/impossible to clean mess. Allow to dry, then remove excess with a damp paper towel, qtips in confined areas. This isn't like the Tamiya panel line stuff, you can be sloppy with it. The soap allows easy removal and breaks the surface tension of water allowing it to flow. If you dont like the results, it can be wiped/washed away with water. The darkness of the wash can be adjusted with the amount of paint used. Will try and post pics, they'll be of aircraft but the basics apply. Don 1
dmthamade Posted December 28, 2024 Posted December 28, 2024 Pics show wash applied in first, cleaned in second.
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