Was there ever a 50s Lincoln Y block ever made

[junkyardjeff]

Planning on building a mid 50s  F600 or larger truck and those had the Lincoln engine and wondering if one was ever made,most likely will just use the Ford Y block but would be nice if a Lincoln engine was made.

[sfhess]

Didn't one of the AMT Model T kits have a Lincoln engine?

[rattle can man]

Sort of. The 25 Model T has what is billed as a Lincoln V8, but it isn't very accurate. And it does not have any stock version, only hot rod intakes and headers. According to a few sites I checked,  Ford Y blocks ranged from 239 to 312 CI, while the Lincolns were from 279 to 368. 

[Mark]

The Monogram 1/24 scale '56 Thunderbird engine could be reworked into a 1/25 scale Lincoln engine.  The two are similar in block shape and port spacing, different in size.  You would have to make exhaust manifolds, valve covers, and other parts, and come up with a transmission.

[MeatMan]

I love it when something new on this forum. I was unaware of the differences in these engines but heard that there were some.
Check out this info if you haven't already. https://macsmotorcitygarage.com/fords-forgotten-y-block-the-1952-57-lincoln-v8/
http://www.ford-y-block.com/lincoln-y.htm

Edited Friday at 02:24 PM by MeatMan

[Ace-Garageguy]

2 hours ago, Mark said:

The Monogram 1/24 scale '56 Thunderbird engine could be reworked into a 1/25 scale Lincoln engine.  The two are similar in block shape and port spacing, different in size.  You would have to make exhaust manifolds, valve covers, and other parts, and come up with a transmission.

^^^ This is the response you need to take to the bank.

There's also a thread on this very board (from years ago) discussing just exactly why the engine in the AMT chopped-T double-kit (and its derivatives) is totally, completely wrong for a Y-block Lincoln and what it takes to correct it.

                                             

Edited Friday at 02:51 PM by Ace-Garageguy

[Mark]

It's a shame that the T-bucket kit engine is as far off as it is.  Even the valve covers, nice looking as they are, aren't quite right (the ones in the Customizing Boat kit are closer, though a bit small as I remember).

As far off as that T-bucket engine is, Aurora cribbed it for their '22 T.  They put Corvette valve covers on it, and called it a Chevy engine!

[Ace-Garageguy]

12 minutes ago, Mark said:

It's a shame that the T-bucket kit engine is as far off as it is.  Even the valve covers, nice looking as they are, aren't quite right...

Yup. I first got involved with a search for a good Lincoln Y-block quite some time back while trying to put together bits for a reasonably close representation of Bill Stroppe's '57 Mercury Mermaid, which used a Hilborn-injected 368 Lincoln engine (bored to 387).

                                             

https://macsmotorcitygarage.com/a-mermaids-tale-bill-stroppes-wild-57-mercury-roadster/

[junkyardjeff]

I have one of the Lincoln engines from the T kit in my hands and it looks more like a MEL engine then the Y block with the 56/57 Mark style valve covers,the engine from the T kit has a place for a front mounted distributor where the Y block its in the rear like the Ford Y blocks.  The MEL resembles the big truck Super Duty engines so I could make it look like one where it was swapped in after the Y block worn out.

[Ace-Garageguy]

10 minutes ago, junkyardjeff said:

I have one of the Lincoln engines from the T kit in my hands and it looks more like a MEL engine...

Yup. Sounds like you have a plan...but the Mk II valve covers won't bolt to an MEL head...at least without an elaborate adaptor...so there's that.

    

[Chris V]

The closest thing you’ll find to a Lincoln Y-block is the engine in AMT’s “Customizing Boat Kit”. 

Given that the kit is from around 1960 the detail leaves quite a bit to be desired. However I’ve found that the bellhousing and transmission from the OHV V8 in AMT/Lindberg’s 1934 Ford Pickup lines up well with the molded in starter for installation in a vintage style build:

Edited yesterday at 11:21 AM by Chris V

[junkyardjeff]

1 hour ago, Ace-Garageguy said:

Yup. Sounds like you have a plan...but the Mk II valve covers won't bolt to an MEL head...at least without an elaborate adaptor...so there's that.

    

If I do it I will use early FE parts to make it work.

[Robberbaron]

2 hours ago, Ace-Garageguy said:

^^^ This is the response you need to take to the bank.

There's also a thread on this very board (from years ago) discussing just exactly why the engine in the AMT chopped-T double-kit (and its derivatives) is totally, completely wrong for a Y-block Lincoln and what it takes to correct it.

See the above link for the 2015 discussion.

Edited Friday at 05:04 PM by Robberbaron

[Trainwreck]

I found this, it's a Franklin Mint diecast '56 Lincoln Continental in 1/24th scale.

It's an option if you can find a boneyard version that someone's trying to unload. (this one was over $100)

I believe it's a 368 C.I., it doesn't look bad but I wouldn't call it great.

Edited Friday at 06:35 PM by Trainwreck

[bbowser]

3 hours ago, Ace-Garageguy said:

Yup. I first got involved with a search for a good Lincoln Y-block quite some time back while trying to put together bits for a reasonably close representation of Bill Stroppe's '57 Mercury Mermaid, which used a Hilborn-injected 368 Lincoln engine (bored to 387).

                                             

https://macsmotorcitygarage.com/a-mermaids-tale-bill-stroppes-wild-57-mercury-roadster/

That is wild!

[1930fordpickup]

I do understand why but, It's to bad the 3d printers dont male a good version of the engines not represented in scale. I know not worth thier time. 

Lord knows we need another version of the SBC to look at. (Yes this is total sarcasm). 

The problem with all of the 60s kits detail is they were made to be toys and we all now want a better version of rarely seen engine. 

[junkyardjeff]

Most likely will use a FE and make it look like it got a engine swap,the FT came out in 64 and to the untrained eye looks like a FE as one fooled me years ago.

[tim boyd]

Interesting to see this subject come up again.  Adding to (and in some cases conflicting with) the above content, here is some additional info to consider 

* We almost got a first-generation Lincoln Y-Block in a model kit.  When Revell was in the early stages of developing their Mercury Woody Wagon kit, they actively searched out a 1/1 scale Lincoln 1956 or 1957 Y-Block engine to feature in the kit, rather than the Caddy V8 that ultimately was placed in the kit.  Unfortunately, and after much trying, they were never able to locate a Lincoln Y-Block what was out of the subject vehicle, as they needed the ability to measure and document the engine in that degree of accuracy.  Huge, missed opportunity for us fans of first-gen American OHV V8s'.  

* The Lincoln V8 in the AMT Trophy Serries 1925 Model T Double kit is not a Lincoln Y-Block; instead, it is an approximate copy of the 1958 and later Lincoln MEL V8.  That is an entirely different engine family that essentially shared nothing with the earlier Lincoln Y-Block V8.  The valve covers included in the kit, however, are inspired by the first gen Lincoln Y-Block V8 included in the fifties Continental Mark II.  The only other sources for a Lincoln MEL V8 were the AMT Lincoln Continental 1962-65 Annual kits and 1965 reissues, the Lincoln Continental 1966-69 kits and 1969 reissues (even though the MEL was replaced by the 385 series 460 V8 at 1968 1/2 in the 1/1), and as mentioned above, a very rough copy in the Aurora 1922 Model T Double Kit. 

* If you base your Lincoln Y-Block on any of the Ford Y-Block kit sources, just remember that the Lincoln Y-Block cylinder heads had very different (side by side) cylinder head intake spacing vs, the unusual (above and below) cylinder head intakes on the Ford Y Block cylinder heads.  And that the Lincoln Y-block based Ford Truck engines had rams-horn type exhaust manifolds that somewhat mimicked the similar SBC parts, but with a stouter structure and visual presence. 

* I replicated a fairly simplistic Lincoln Y-Block engine using the Ford Y-Block engine in the Revell 1956 Ford Pickup with the above-referenced Lincoln Y-block cylinder head mods and the Lincoln Y-Block valve covers in the AMT Trophy Series 3 in 1 boat kit first issued in 1960 and reissued a couple of times in the last three decades.  This was covered in an article in Scale Auto somewhere in the 2005-2010-ish time frame. Here is the model featured in that article...

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I realize that others see some of this info differently than I do above, and so may take issue with some of these statements, So, I do not claim this to the end-all of the discussion, but these are the (supposed on my part) "facts" that I use when I am modeling the above subjects... TIM 

Edited 2 hours ago by tim boyd