'53 Hudson Hornet is coming....

[Chuck Most]

I think it is separate- it's nowhere to be found in the low angle pics for which Chuck posted the link, and the Hudson's 'armored car' windscreen is in full view.

[sjordan2]

I think this is going to be an awesome kit. I have a couple of very teeny quibbles about what I see regarding the contour of the rear, the slope of the side chrome toward the rear, and the main center bar in the grille looks a bit off to me, but as I said, I could be wrong. Fix those windows and I don't see any errors that couldn't be easily dealt with.

The thing about the windows is, if they were too rounded, that could be easily sanded. It's harder, though, to add material to make them look right.

I would further add that the side chrome strips, while they may be totally accurate, might be a bit fat since it's going to take some BMF or paint build-up to deal with them, which will increase their mass. Just one of those things where there's a difference between kit development and 1:1 reality.

Edited December 10, 2010 by sjordan2

[Art Anderson]

Will this kit come with options or stock only?? I can see a lot of customs being built with this kit.

No customizing parts. Future releases will include NASCAR (Tim Flock), and a convertible.

Art

[Craig Irwin]

It's not custom if you don't modify it yourself. I'm looking forward to this kit.

[Dr. Cranky]

Cranky wants to build one NOW!

[sjordan2]

Dave Z and some others have made a lot of excellent points here; there has probably never been another kit developed where builders have had so much opportunity to provide input to the manufacturers. In larger scale, TDR is another of the enlightened folks.

[jbwelda]

i think if you lower this thing into the weeds, all those quibbles go away.

[Modelmartin]

. As long as it isn't some truly awful Pyro-style piece of junk.

Don't go hating on Pyro! I love their stuff!

[Modelmartin]

I have nothing but respect and appreciation for what Moebius is doing with these new automotive releases. The pics all look great to me. They really aren't my subjects but I am giving thought to buying at Least the Hudson anyway.

As an aftermarket manufacturer I can appreciate how difficult it is to get every detail right. I always found something wrong after I released each new model! Too late! I rarely made a correction after that unless it was really bad. The thing is, they are just models. I take my model building seriously but not to the paint of pooping on the parade for incredibly minor inaccuracies.

[Dave Metzner]

I guess I ought to be careful how I say this:

I appreciate the criticisms, I'll try to fix as much as can be fixed.

HOWEVER once the kit gets to test shots some basic things just cannot be fixed, I posted pics of the mock up quite some time ago, If someone had pointed out that the shape of the roof isn't right or the hood is too tall, at that point, I would have had alot better chance to make changes. Now that I have tooling all cut in steel some things will remain as they are now, because I can't just scrap the body tool and start over.

I might be able to adjust the hood (waiting to hear back on that one)- but I'm stuck with the roof -

window corner shape - I can get that fixed - width of chrome molding - yeah, no real problem to fix... but basic body shape is pretty much a done deal now...

Unfortunately today, when you set out to produce a model of a 57 ot 58 year old car all you can work with is photographs, since there are no CAD files, and you can't transport a real car to the model maker's location halfway around the world!

The process is by it's nature inexact and all that you can hope for in the end is a model that looks like the subject....

I'm satisfied that we've done our best to produce a good representation of the '53 Hudson, sorry that we can't please everybody......

Dave

Edited December 11, 2010 by Dave Metzner

[jeffb]

if you try to make everybody happy, nothing would ever get done

[Danno]

"I don't know the recipe for success. But the recipe for failure is trying to please everybody." _ Bill Cosby

True dat!

Amen!

The test shot looks a helluva lot more like an accurate miniature Hudson than ALL THE OTHER '53 Hudson kits that have been issued!!

(Yes, I know there has never been another '53 Hudson kit issued before. That's exactly my point.)

Kudos to you, Dave, and your team for putting together this monumental effort and executing it as well as it has been executed. I don't see any major issues with it. I've seen much, much worse. I've bought much worse. I've made changes to much worse in order to make them better than they were. That's what I call modeling.

I'll buy a couple more Hudson kits now. Just to do my part to make sure it's a success whether there's a minor error or not; even regardless of whether there's a major error (but I'm not convinced of that). I just want to see the serious attempts keep coming!

Market on.

[Chuck Kourouklis]

I guess I ought to be careful how I say this:

I appreciate the criticisms, I'll try to fix as much as can be fixed.

HOWEVER once the kit gets to test shots some basic things just cannot be fixed, I posted pics of the mock up quite some time ago, If someone had pointed out that the shape of the roof isn't right or the hood is too tall, at that point, I would have had alot better chance to make changes. Now that I have tooling all cut in steel some things will remain as they are now, because I can't just scrap the body tool and start over.

I might be able to adjust the hood (waiting to hear back on that one)- but I'm stuck with the roof -

window corner shape - I can get that fixed - width of chrome molding - yeah, no real problem to fix... but basic body shape is pretty much a done deal now...

Unfortunately today, when you set out to produce a model of a 57 ot 58 year old car all you can work with is photographs, since there are no CAD files, and you can't transport a real car to the model maker's location halfway around the world!

The process is by it's nature inexact and all that you can hope for in the end is a model that looks like the subject....

I'm satisfied that we've done our best to produce a good representation of the '53 Hudson, sorry that we can't please everybody......

Dave

Don't really know how careful you have to be, Dave. Unlike some of the self-appointed forum nannies around here, you, Art, and Sven actually have a great deal of yourselves invested in this, and therefore at least some entitlement to defensiveness over criticism. You in particular have been admirably restrained in this regard.

And I hope you understand that in my case - and I would expect, that of many others - seeing a few errors does not necessarily equate to outright displeasure. That kit comes out as it is, I'm still eagerly anticipating a few copies. Straighten out all the bits you mentioned, all the better.

The gratitude that's been expressed for your previews is very well placed. It takes a bit of courage to subject your efforts to that kind of scrutiny, and I think even the harshest critics can appreciate that.

[sjordan2]

Don't really know how careful you have to be, Dave. Unlike some of the self-appointed forum nannies around here, you, Art, and Sven actually have a great deal of yourselves invested in this, and therefore at least some entitlement to defensiveness over criticism. You in particular have been admirably restrained in this regard.

And I hope you understand that in my case - and I would expect, that of many others - seeing a few errors does not necessarily equate to outright displeasure. That kit comes out as it is, I'm still eagerly anticipating a few copies. Straighten out all the bits you mentioned, all the better.

The gratitude that's been expressed for your previews is very well placed. It takes a bit of courage to subject your efforts to that kind of scrutiny, and I think even the harshest critics can appreciate that.

What you said. And, Dave, I certainly understand your frustration over new observations at this stage of the production process after everything you've posted so far. My comments were based on the recent postings of 1:1 photos, and in no way have I meant to slam anything you guys are doing. As I said before, this is going to be an awesome kit and I can't wait to see the first builds.

Edited December 11, 2010 by sjordan2

[parki]

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[Darin Bastedo]

I guess I ought to be careful how I say this:

I appreciate the criticisms, I'll try to fix as much as can be fixed.

HOWEVER once the kit gets to test shots some basic things just cannot be fixed, I posted pics of the mock up quite some time ago, If someone had pointed out that the shape of the roof isn't right or the hood is too tall, at that point, I would have had alot better chance to make changes. Now that I have tooling all cut in steel some things will remain as they are now, because I can't just scrap the body tool and start over.

I might be able to adjust the hood (waiting to hear back on that one)- but I'm stuck with the roof -

window corner shape - I can get that fixed - width of chrome molding - yeah, no real problem to fix... but basic body shape is pretty much a done deal now...

Unfortunately today, when you set out to produce a model of a 57 ot 58 year old car all you can work with is photographs, since there are no CAD files, and you can't transport a real car to the model maker's location halfway around the world!

The process is by it's nature inexact and all that you can hope for in the end is a model that looks like the subject....

I'm satisfied that we've done our best to produce a good representation of the '53 Hudson, sorry that we can't please everybody......

Dave

Dave, You had me at "Hudson". But seriously I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart foe;

1. Coming out with some new tool model car kits rather than buying the rights to some obscure old kits and putting those out.

2. For going out on a limb and producing something that not only isn't availble elsewhere, but is not your typical Ford Chevy Dodge stuff.

3. For tooling up a full detail kit, rather than some Tamiya / fujimi/ aoshima "detailed engine insert" or worse yet a promo style curbside.

I will be buying at least 4 of these, one to do as a Custom, one to do stock, one to do as a stock car, and one just for the engine to put in a hot rod.

As for the errors, to me they are small, and won't bother me in the least.

[camaroman]

I am late to the party... but let me say i will buying as many as an unemployed guy can manage for the sake of future investment. I am thinking that a nice "doc blue" version on red wheels will be my first "build" (should read start, as I never finish anything)...

My thanks to Dave and the crew for the fine effort and communication!!!!

[Jairus]

.... and one just for the engine to put in a hot rod.

Ahhhh... now you're talking like a true model builder. Out of the box!

(A real model kit is just parts for a bigger project.)

[Dr. Cranky]

Bingo!

[imatt88]

Looks like a Hudson Hornet to me

Where can I buy one of these, and what other kind of cars available?

Edited December 12, 2010 by imatt88

[Foxer]

I keep thinking of one with all the old '49-'51 Merc tricks on it ...

[charlie8575]

and one just for the engine to put in a hot rod.

For those with similar inclinations, to use the remainder of the kit if you so wish, AMC V8s are a common re-motoring for Step-Downs. Also LA-block Chryslers. Most people who do this from what I've seen generally keep the car more stock-appearing, although there are some really neat customs out there.

Charlie Larkin

[Danno]

I've already reserved 25% of my personal plastic pusher's preliminary pre-order. The rest of his customers are just gonna have to duke it out for the other kits. If it looks as good as I think, I can always bump it up to a case.

CANNOT WAIT! (This is worse than being a little kid waiting for Santa Claus!)

[Jairus]

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[Jon Cole]

So here we are... now on page 8 of this subject. I read the first page (or two?) when new, now I come to page 8 directly, without reading those pages in between, and lo and behold... problems. I will go back to revue the posts. But as it stands now, from what I have seen, I still think this kit is gonna rock the adult car modeler hobby! And for that, I want to thank Moebius and all those involved in bringing this kit to us. I for one will be anxiously awaiting this kit!