br67 Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 Hi, going to building a Amt 71 Mustang and was wondering which kit had best engine to use? Though of ross gibson but he does not do this engine and had the revell 70 Mustang Mach 1 in mind but scale is wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordRodnKustom Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 This kit has a nice one. It's not stock though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
br67 Posted January 17, 2015 Author Share Posted January 17, 2015 That's a 351 windsor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Can-Con Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 Not 100%sure but I think the boss 302 in the AMT '69 Cougar could easily pass for a 351C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jantrix Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 The AMT '73 Cougar kit has an excellent 351C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 (edited) The AMT '73 Cougar kit has an excellent 351C. I don't believe that's correct. IIRC, the engines are a 428 and a 429, neither of which is correct for a '73 Cougar. They were carried over from previous MPC Cougar kits. Type Size Horsepower Years ohv V-8 351 240/285* 1971 ohv V-8 429 370* 1971 ohv V-8 351 168/262/266** 1972 ohv V-8 351 168/264** 1973 Here's a resin source for a 351C: http://www.motorcityresincasters.com/motors.htm The old AMT Warren Tope '73 Mustang race car has a 351C. I think the kit's been reissued as something else in the last couple years. (Kit historians, please chime in) From what I recall, you can't build the kit stock but you could probably make the engine streetable, if not 100% stock, with a regular or open element air cleaner and some exhaust manifolds. Edited January 17, 2015 by Monty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Brian Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Any Ford NASCAR kit from the eighties or nineties will have a Cleveland. The Boss 302 from the 69 Cougar mentioned above isn't bad either. Outside of those it's really hit or miss, a lot of seventies Ford kits have some variation of a Cleveland but most aren't very good and some are unusably bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
br67 Posted January 18, 2015 Author Share Posted January 18, 2015 Rob, I've got one of those kits arriving this week so will double check. Monty, thanks for link, that looks like a good but expensive option. Steve and Brian, the Boss engine is wrong cos it a 302 Windsor short block which is too narrow and incorrect(timing cover area totally different) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Anyone familiar with this kit? Any reason this kit's engine wouldn't work for Brandon. I don't think these are terribly expensive either... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
br67 Posted January 18, 2015 Author Share Posted January 18, 2015 I had a good look at the engine in the 73 Cougar and it looks like it's a 351c. The only thing that confuses me is that there is an optional version in the kit that builds up with Hemi ie Boss style heads. But valve cover, cyl head and exh manifold shape(in stock form) all point to a 351c - and not a bad one at that too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Brian Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Anyone familiar with this kit? Any reason this kit's engine wouldn't work for Brandon. I don't think these are terribly expensive either... If I remember correctly that kit has a metal axle through the engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vamach1 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 (edited) The MPC Boss 351 does NOT have a 351 Cleveland engine, only a 302/351W and a 428. Go figure. It's false advertising if you ask me. This might be your best bet - pricey - but accurate. http://www.scalemodelingbychris.com/smbc_partsp1.htm Edited January 19, 2015 by vamach1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakshow12 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 I'm doing a boss 351 and am using the boss 302 from the cougar as its hands down the best boss in kit form The nascar engines are hybrids meaning they are windsor blocks with Yates cleveland heads. Why the new 70 mach engine does not have stock valve covers is beyond me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Can-Con Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 How about the engine in the old AMT "Wild Hoss" Bronco? Seems to me it was a 351C. anyone remember if that's right? That would be the same kit Model King reissued a few years ago with the Cougar funnycar and trailer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vamach1 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 (edited) The AMT 71-73 Mustang engine could pass for 351C with the correct Cleveland or Boss valve covers. Here is what a 351C is supposed to look like. One of the pictures is of an 1/8 model from down under. The Horsepower picture shows a 351C next to a 351W. http://www.iconmodels.com.au/products/XY-Cleveland-351-Free-Standing-Engine-1%7B47%7D8.html http://www.mustangengines.com/351c%20Differences.htm Edited January 19, 2015 by vamach1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Most Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 The SMBC one is pretty nice, but to echo what others have said, using a Thunderbird Winston Cup kit engine and "stock-ifying" it works as well. I believe the Bronco had a Windsor, but I don't have one in the stash anymore so I can't verify that and I could be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
br67 Posted January 19, 2015 Author Share Posted January 19, 2015 Fred, the boss engine from the cougar is an awesome engine but wrong for a boss 351. The boss 302 was a Windsor short block with Cleveland cyl heads. The boss 351 was a Cleveland short block with Cleveland 4v cyl heads. The 302 is also narrow than the 351 too Rex, the Motor city engine looks like it may be based on the 73 Cougar with some improvements/added detail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jantrix Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 I don't believe that's correct. IIRC, the engines are a 428 and a 429, neither of which is correct for a '73 Cougar. They were carried over from previous MPC Cougar kits. Type Size Horsepower Years ohv V-8 351 240/285* 1971 ohv V-8 429 370* 1971 ohv V-8 351 168/262/266** 1972 ohv V-8 351 168/264** 1973 Here's a resin source for a 351C: http://www.motorcityresincasters.com/motors.htm The old AMT Warren Tope '73 Mustang race car has a 351C. I think the kit's been reissued as something else in the last couple years. (Kit historians, please chime in) From what I recall, you can't build the kit stock but you could probably make the engine streetable, if not 100% stock, with a regular or open element air cleaner and some exhaust manifolds. It's possible you are correct. I got my info through the folks here, in this thread. http://www.modelcarsmag.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=18730 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakshow12 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Fred, the boss engine from the cougar is an awesome engine but wrong for a boss 351. The boss 302 was a Windsor short block with Cleveland cyl heads. The boss 351 was a Cleveland short block with Cleveland 4v cyl heads. The 302 is also narrow than the 351 too Rex, the Motor city engine looks like it may be based on the 73 Cougar with some improvements/added detail I'm fully aware of the parts makeup of Ford engines. I have a couple clevelands sitting here. In this scale the boss 302 would pass better than anything else in the boss 351. You could fudge it with a 385 series water pump to change up the look. A bit. The boss kit has a bunch of issues. Not just the engine lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 If I remember correctly that kit has a metal axle through the engine. Nope! It uses the little flanged pegs that go through the wheelbacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 I'm fully aware of the parts makeup of Ford engines. I have a couple clevelands sitting here. In this scale the boss 302 would pass better than anything else in the boss 351. You could fudge it with a 385 series water pump to change up the look. A bit. The boss kit has a bunch of issues. Not just the engine lol Since no one has addressed my question at the bottom of post #6, would you mind sharing your opinion on the engine in the old '73 Warren Tope Trans Am - series Mustang or any of it's subsequent releases. The original box specified that it was a 351C, and as I told the OP, it could probably be made streetable with a different air cleaner and exhaust manifolds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vamach1 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Here's one good alternative and one that is a teaser. One is from a 80's Mustang Cafe racer gluebomb I bought but it sure looks like a 351C with a C6 tranny and oversized carb to me. The other picture is the engine from the Danbury mint Boss 351. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Force Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Scale Modeling By Chris has a couple in resin. http://www.scalemodelingbychris.com/smbc_partsp1.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 (edited) Scale Modeling By Chris has a couple in resin. http://www.scalemodelingbychris.com/smbc_partsp1.htm Interesting. Looks exactly like the resin engine I mentioned in Post #6, offered by some other guys in Michigan. http://www.motorcityresincasters.com/motors.htm Makes me wonder what original kit engine these guys based their castings on. Edited January 19, 2015 by Monty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vamach1 Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Interesting. Looks exactly like the resin engine I mentioned in Post #6, offered by some other guys in Michigan. http://www.motorcityresincasters.com/motors.htm Makes me wonder what original kit engine these guys based their castings on. They are a group of Resin casting companies. http://www.detroitresinautomotivegroup.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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