Pete J. Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 Harry- I guess it comes down to you putting an optional header on each thread. The poster would have the option of the header saying "I good with a constructive critique" or "I don't care about the critique, just tell me what a great modeler I am."
Snake45 Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 Words of Wisdom to Live By: Reminds me of the modern fable about the freezing little bird.
Mike_G Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 Constructive criticism means that someone is actually interested in your build
chunkypeanutbutter Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 Constructive criticism means that someone is actually interested in your build Exactly. If someone's seeing the good points in your build, they see it has potential. If they're pointing out the bad parts, they're saying what you could improve to make it better.
blunc Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 I think I would like to see a definition of "nit picking" (anyone here actually know what a "nit" is without having to look it up?) before commenting in this seeming re-tread thread. Another commonly used name for persons that like to see details portrayed correctly is "rivet counter". I will sometimes comment during in WIP threads, if the builder seems receptive then I tend to follow other WIP's of that builder and share my knowledge / experience when it seems appropriate...if the builder seems to think I'm attacking his work then I tend to make no comments on those builds (whether I am impressed by the build or not). The point I'm trying to make in this rambling sentence is that a builder may miss out on a suggestion that just might make a WIP a "rip-roaring success" rather than something that gets very brief attention and is forgotten immediately...just because the builder got their panties in a bunch over something that wasn't an attack. Now I know there will be a slew of "I only build for me" comments... and that's just fine. I build for me too, sometimes I add a few more "rivets" than some builders here and there are some builders here that have my respect for the time they take to make their own rivets before adding them to their builds. Sometimes there are comments that a build "just looks right" or that the builder "nailed it" with regard to achieving a particular aspect of replicating a style. I have yet to see anyone in this forum comment "that just looks wrong" or "you got close to nailing it...try harder next time"... although I have seen complaints that some posted photos didn't get any comments. Does the builder then have to consider that their work is so lacking in talent or skill that no one will comment for fear of hurting the builders feelings? Give a little thought to this statement... "Complaining about critiques of your models that you have posted to the internet is a waste of your time and mine." (Now if someone in this forum started posting my financial records, then I would be irked.)
Mike_G Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 I think I would like to see a definition of "nit picking" (anyone here actually know what a "nit" is without having to look it up?) Yes, nits are the eggs of lice They make special fine-toothed combs to get them out of hair so you don't have to pick them out by hand
Roadrunner Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 I don't really mind constructive criticism at all, whether solicited or not. Non constructive criticism is a pain though, the person who believes that I'm trying to build my model to his perceived standards, when in fact I'm perfectly content with what I do. I think that's a common occurrence, the notion that everyone aspires to the same standards, when in fact, it just isn't so.
10thumbs Posted January 23, 2015 Author Posted January 23, 2015 I'm not talking about constructive criticism. I mean the guys that make comments on every single car that's shown on a forum, and always finding something that "could be better", whether the OP wants critique or not. As stated before, on another forum there's a handful of guys that knock every single model, rarely, very rarely does a member get by without any negative points. Then they write, "I can't find anything". That's pushing it, in my opinion.
rmvw guy Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 My favorite so far!!! This is some real nitpicking going on here! Good one Danno!
Jantrix Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 I'm not talking about constructive criticism. I mean the guys that make comments on every single car that's shown on a forum, and always finding something that "could be better", whether the OP wants critique or not. As stated before, on another forum there's a handful of guys that knock every single model, rarely, very rarely does a member get by without any negative points. Then they write, "I can't find anything". That's pushing it, in my opinion. Just for the record, what "other" forum are we talking about. And to answer the inferred question - IGNORE THEM. They are just petty human beings, likely jealous that you post work superior to theirs. Or whats often worse, is good builders, who seek to rub the fact in everyone's face. In either case they are pitiful human beings, whom you should give no thought to at all. Nuff said.
BubbaJoe Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 truth be told ..i'd much rather read constructive criticism on a build of mine than post after post of nice job. great work .ata boy. In fact i would prefer it. i actually ask for it. if you see a work of mine .PLEASE take the gloves off and let me have it. i still consider myself a novice model builder , i respect the heck out of the builders on this forum and the only way i can become a better model builder is one. build more models and two reading honest and constructive criticism from the group of people i consider some of the best builders around.
BubbaJoe Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 happen to read your sig line Rob..... hope you don't mind if i copy it?
southpier Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 .... if you see a work of mine .PLEASE take the gloves off and let me have it. ... hang on, Bra; it's gonna be a bumpy ride! and has anyone else notice products containing chia seeds provide a little too much bulk in their daily diet?
Jantrix Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 happen to read your sig line Rob..... hope you don't mind if i copy it? Not a bit.
rmvw guy Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) Rob Mattis Tell me what you think of my work. Criticisms, comments and sarcastic remarks are kindly welcome. I'm a big boy, I can take it.My Photobucket I should do this too! Or another "me too er." I have been around long enough to handle criiticism, 2011 I think is when I joined. I was a looker for a while too shy to post, then I stepped up and it felt good to get noticed. I stumbled through learning how to post pictures and improve said pictures. I will be honest, the little bit of criticism I have received here has helped me improve plenty. I will admit I am a bit lazy sometimes when taking advise. For instance, I still do not include valve stems on my wheels, alternator brackets ( not always), BMF (I still hate it), no brake lines, hinges, roll up windows. I do not always wire every engine, just not my thing. If I was building for a show or contest I would include all these things, maybe. Being able to post here I am in charge of what I show in my photos. Maybe I should take more time on that and correct the flaws I see in my own photos. Time, which I am running out of, makes me want to work at a faster pace to allow me to complete most of the models in my stash (probably way too many....I can't help it !) To be a better modeler maybe I should listen more to Criticism. And maybe take more time on each build? I am working on all my skills and paint is at the top of my list. If it doesn't have good paint, forget it or weather it (which is not an easy skill either). I look at as much of other people's efforts as time will allow. I am not in the place to offer Criticism. If I was in the Magazine more often or well known to everyone I would offer free advise or as you call it "constructive criticism". I don't like to see people belittled. There is a group of modelers here that I have deep admiration for and I would appreciate constructive criticism from any of them. I always hate to see sour grapes on here. Oh and I left the mirrors off my list! Why aren't they always included in every kit? End of rant. So can I use your sig line Rob? I wish my spell check always worked lol. Edited January 23, 2015 by rmvw guy
Jantrix Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 Guys, I tried to copyright my signature line, but it just wouldn't fly. So by all means feel free to plagiarize at will. Maybe we'll start a new trend.
Snake45 Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 I will admit I am a bit lazy sometimes when taking advise. For instance, I still do not include valve stems on my wheels, alternator brackets ( not always), BMF (I still hate it), no brake lines, hinges, roll up windows. I do not always wire every engine, just not my thing. If I was building for a show or contest I would include all these things, maybe. Oh and I left the mirrors off my list! Why aren't they always included in every kit? End of rant. It's like I have a twin!
Mister 4x4 Posted January 24, 2015 Posted January 24, 2015 I'm not talking about constructive criticism. I mean the guys that make comments on every single car that's shown on a forum, and always finding something that "could be better", whether the OP wants critique or not. As stated before, on another forum there's a handful of guys that knock every single model, rarely, very rarely does a member get by without any negative points. Then they write, "I can't find anything". That's pushing it, in my opinion. Mixed feelings here. I'll be honest that I like hearing that I'm doing a good job - it's encouraging, and makes me feel good about what I'm doing. I don't mind seeing a comment about something that could be done better... especially from people who obviously have greater skills than I - which is obvious by the caliber of their builds and the nature of their comments. They also tend to throw in a compliment about 'something' going right with what they see, which turns the whole thing into constructive criticism. When it's all just negative, that's nit-picking and just being mean. I also agree that when criticism is all that's offered, it tends to come off as someone just being mean. There's an art to offering criticism without being mean, and not everybody has mastered it. There's also the same in being able to take it and recognize the difference between constructive criticism and nit-picking. Can't tell the difference? Might want to re-think posting in a public forum. Haters gonna hate, and I'm pretty sure everybody can tell when someone's being a D-bag just because they can - I think it's all how we choose to deal with it that's important. I'm not someone who believes in every kid gets a trophy just for showing up - but this is model building, people. There are no winners or losers at all, last I checked. After all, we're all just a bunch of people sharing the products of our hobby in a public forum. If someone posts up something they're proud of, find something nice to say about it, even if it's the biggest glue-bomb to date - that might be the best job they can muster up because maybe they can't see as well anymore, or maybe they've got early Parkinson's or only one usable hand... the point is they're doing something they enjoy and are sharing it with the world. It's OK to offer constructive criticism... just don't be mean about it, and it's all good.
Tom Geiger Posted January 24, 2015 Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) Haters gonna hate, and I'm pretty sure everybody can tell when someone's being a D-bag just because they can - I don't see any malicious posters here or on the udder board I post on. Mainly because people use their real names and have to be registered to post. That keeps the anonymous Internet bullies away. I was at a show some 25 years ago. I had just finished my '59 Chevy convertible junker and some little 'Richard' looked at it and remarked that I had ruined a perfectly good kit. I thought it was funny and it became a long running joke in my club. Edited January 24, 2015 by Tom Geiger
Danno Posted January 24, 2015 Posted January 24, 2015 Eric, You need to go back and re-read post # 52. Just because someone offers some criticism does not make them a 'hater.' Throwing that term around indiscriminately is like throwing gasoline on a cook stove; incendiary, senseless and purposeless. And, there was no need for the other pejorative you tossed in. Talk about over-reacting!
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