Daddyfink Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 I have had the cracking issue, but never had it pull paint. And I have sprayed it over Enamels and Acrylics. Spraying on too much at once or over paint that has not cured well can cause problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett Barrow Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Are these two the same thing? Yup. New multi-lingual label vs old label. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry P. Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 I agree that the issue with bubbling can be correlated with putting on too much paint at once, but I think it also correlates with getting the sprayhead too close to the model (which may trap some of the aerosol propellant on the body surface before it has time to evaporate as it leaves the sprayhead. Between this and the tendency it has to attack the basecoat (causing it to pull away from seams, door lines, etc.), which yielded multiple messed up paint jobs for me that had to be subsequently "rescued", I finally migrated to the Testors Wet Look Clear. But if you can master the process to deliver consistent good results, TS-13 is the way to go. TB Tim... not to doubt you, but just curious. If the Testors gives excellent results, isn't as finicky to apply, and I assume costs less... why would you say Tamiya is the way to go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim boyd Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Tim... not to doubt you, but just curious. If the Testors gives excellent results, isn't as finicky to apply, and I assume costs less... why would you say Tamiya is the way to go? Harry....I think that the Tamiya TS-13 paint gives a smoother/glossier finish without having to do the additional step of rubbing the finish out, which I have to do with Testors One Coat Wet Look Clear. For those that can get consistently good results from TS-13, that makes it worth it to use that paint. I, however, have had enough problems with TS-13 that my overall success rate is below 50%, so for that reason I use the Testors Wet Look Clear paint, which I find has a near 100% success rate, albeit requiring the extra step of rubbing out the paint. Thanks..>TB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistermodel Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Ive read that when using Tamiya colour/clear if the base coat colour isn't cleared within 24 hours you have to wait 30 days for the base to gas out.Any thoughts on this?Is this why some have mentioned problems with the clear? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddyfink Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 I actually use both, mainly because Tamiya was not available for some time and now that I have testors, I might as well use it up. But, the Tamiya is easier to clean up and does not require much effort, plus, it is truly clear. I have had issues with the Testors in drying time and having to rub it out more than Tamiya. Wet look is just a tad thicker and that can really throw a wrench in the works when you are trying to control your amounts. I prefer Tamiya, and as they say, you get what you pay for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 The only problem I ever had with the Tamiya TS-13 was that it would change the color of metallic paint slightly even if it was sprayed over their paint. It doesn't effect their solid colors. I used it over Model Masters Dark Bronze once and ruined the paint. It darkened it at least three or four shades. It had some kind of reaction with the paint. Another time, I tried it over a Krylon acrylic paint job and it turned the paint dull somehow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry P. Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Thanks for the explanation, Tim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinfan5 Posted July 2, 2014 Author Share Posted July 2, 2014 Ive read that when using Tamiya colour/clear if the base coat colour isn't cleared within 24 hours you have to wait 30 days for the base to gas out.Any thoughts on this?Is this why some have mentioned problems with the clear? I do believe that only applies to when you use Tamiya Clear over Tamiya paint, but I could be wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ffreak Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 I'm happy it's coming back. Yes there is a bit of a learning curve with it which some people get it figured out eventually, and some don't. It took me a few not so great results before hitting it. But since I have, I didn't want to switch. But since I HAD to look elsewhere, I tried Upol and have yet to get it figured out to the point where I did the Tamiya. Doesn't mean I won't, just haven't yet. Been wanting to try the One Coat someday but have heard of the thicker and heavier aspect of it. I'm prone to getting my paint too thick as it is so not sure if I still want to try. I don't have to polish out the Tamiya if I don't really want to because i've learned to get it on slick and glossy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaymcminn Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Testors Wet Look Clear is by far my favorite clear coat now. Easy to apply through the can or decanted, excellent gloss, and easy to polish to a beautiful shine. TS13 just has too many issues for me. It's a shame because Tamiya paints are just so good. I might try the TS13 again just in case it's gotten any better, however... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scuderia Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Duplicolor is automotive touch-up paint. Available in any auto parts store. I've used the paints a lot but didn't know much about the clear.. Good to know thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cato Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Upol? Not to hi-jack but would like to keep this discussion of clears all together. I've seen some good reviews on the web about Upol clear. Any experienced users here can shed some light on it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
om617 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 I have used Tamiya TS-13 and find it to be very nice,one coat is close to enough. I would really like to try out Testors (So man cool custom colors) ,but very few does ship spraycans,and those who do is really expensive. I dont get why some can ship and other dont,is there diffrent laws from state to state about shipping outside of the US? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niteowl7710 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 I have used Tamiya TS-13 and find it to be very nice,one coat is close to enough. I would really like to try out Testors (So man cool custom colors) ,but very few does ship spraycans,and those who do is really expensive. I dont get why some can ship and other dont,is there diffrent laws from state to state about shipping outside of the US? Aerosol paint is a hazardous material, especially to the U.S. Postal Service. It's a pain to just ship around within the Continental U.S. due to the regulations. Post 9/11 it can only be shipped via surface methods, no airplanes. So shipping it Internationally is EXPENSIVE, and takes for ever since it has to be put on a boat. I know some people who found TS-29 when Tamiya paint was universally unavailable here in the States from Asian eBay sellers and it was taking more than THREE MONTHS to get their deliveries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmate Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 It's always been available here in Oz, I've used it and Duplicolour, under the right conditions Duplicolour will give just as a glossy result without polishing. Duplicolour is a lot more forgiving too in my opinion, the Tamiya clear takes a bit of getting use to and I wouldn't recommend it for the beginner. It's a thinner paint, that doesn't cover as well and it will run easily compared to Duplicolour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZTony8 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 I still prefer TS-13 over the Testor One Coat(non one coat) clear.It sprays thinner and once the cure time is considered it comes out great.I do prefer to use Testor clear if spraying over decals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
om617 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Aerosol paint is a hazardous material, especially to the U.S. Postal Service. It's a pain to just ship around within the Continental U.S. due to the regulations. Post 9/11 it can only be shipped via surface methods, no airplanes. So shipping it Internationally is EXPENSIVE, and takes for ever since it has to be put on a boat. I know some people who found TS-29 when Tamiya paint was universally unavailable here in the States from Asian eBay sellers and it was taking more than THREE MONTHS to get their deliveries. Thanks for the info. The times i have bought i doubt it`s sent by surface since i had it in less then 14 days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Cranky Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 My clear of choice is DuPont Acrylic Spot Clear. Expensive but with one can you can clear half a dozen models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Cranky Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 Samples of finishes with DuPont Spot Clear: Click HERE: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPS_Lotus Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 I used the Model Master Custom Lacquer System Ultra Gloss Clear as a clear coat. I've only built one finished model with it, but I put it over the Tamiya TS-12 orange spray. Came out pretty decent. Used it again on the Revell '69 Z/28 I'm building where I cleared it over the Daytona Yellow basecoat. I might have gotten a little heavy with it in some spots as even after polishing it feels ever so slightly tacky in some spots. Live and learn since I have no idea what I am doing at times LOL. I definitely want to check the Tamiya TS-13 clear out because Tamiya spray cans work exceptionally well in my opinion when compared to Testors/MM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPS_Lotus Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 Samples of finishes with DuPont Spot Clear: Click HERE: Thanks for posting about this! Looks like it is pretty solid stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Johnston Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 Years ago I switched to the 2 part urethane clear. Only that stuff is just nasty smelly and...well nasty. I have tried a couple of cans of Tamiya clear and never was able to master it. I eventually switched to Testors Wet look and I much prefer it to any other clear. I do decant and spray it from the airbrush. The only time I don't use it is when I run out. I have a ton of the 2 part left, so I'll shoot that in a pinch because it does give outstanding results. The other clear that I used to use is Plastikote T5. It lays on really smooth and bright right out of the can. I used this all the time before I started airbrushing. JJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High octane Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 Two weeks ago I had sprayed Tamiya TS-13 Clear over Black Gold's paint with no ill effects. In fact it came out beautiful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbwelda Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 the other thing I forgot to mention above was also touched on by others: Tamiya seems to have the spray nozzle design down to a T. Testors nozzles tend to clog real easy even when I try to clear them but Tamiya nozzles seem to last the life of the paint in the can. I have used the Testors lacquer system and my luck with it was pretty good too, but it seems it was nearly as expensive as Tamiya and again the nozzle just wasn't up to the task. I know its not a big deal for those who decant and airbrush, but if all nozzles were like Tamiya's, there kind of wouldn't be much need for an airbrush. jb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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