Luc Janssens Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 (edited) What about the '64 Pontiac Grand Prix, where once the glass turned up in reissued '65 G/P's? Also some insert swapping might get some interesting product, like mixing the '78 Dodge Monster truck with the '79 Dodge "Firefighter" Uteline..... Edited December 25, 2015 by Luc Janssens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Cohen Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 Might exist? They all 'might' exist in one form or another but what really exists I doubt anyone really knows for sure I wonder if there was ever an accurate inventory done of the molds, artwork and all the other stuff needed to make a kit when Round2 took over. There may be stuff buried under boxes, stashed on shelves or wherever. Just for the record...how many of you know exactly what you have in your stash? Kits, parts, builts, etc., If you don't know, maybe they don't either One question I have asked is, was there ever a complete list made of all the AMT, MPC kits ever produced? I have the Revell book and the Monogram book and they have a lot of stuff listed, although they do miss a kit once in a while. Does Round2 have a list? Hmmmmmm..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Irwin Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 I find it funny that about 50% of us look forward to whats getting reissued by Round 2, and the other 50% complain that all we get from Round 2 is reissues. I think there's some good stuff yet to be found. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake45 Posted December 25, 2015 Author Share Posted December 25, 2015 I think there's some good stuff yet to be found. Again, you have quite nicely restated the entire point of this thread! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1930fordpickup Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 Howard Round2 is working on a list, when they have time they are going through what they have and looking at the condition to see what is and is not usable currently. It is a work in process. Takes a lot of time to do this . Not only do they have to inspect the cavity of the molds but they have to check the inserts and the injector pins. Why do I keep bringing this up ? If they do not have a list of good tooling how are they going to decide what to release. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc Janssens Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 Howard Round2 is working on a list, when they have time they are going through what they have and looking at the condition to see what is and is not usable currently. It is a work in process. Takes a lot of time to do this . Not only do they have to inspect the cavity of the molds but they have to check the inserts and the injector pins. Why do I keep bringing this up ? If they do not have a list of good tooling how are they going to decide what to release. Think this tread is about dreaming and wondering, no more no less...;^) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake45 Posted December 25, 2015 Author Share Posted December 25, 2015 You must have a nice stash then.Snake...I do not believe the early Corvair molds were ever modified to my memory. AMT made 2 versions of the Factory stock 66 Buick Skylark...one a curbside and the other a full detail kit..I have both but they both need parts to restore them...Id buy ether version if they were re-issued most likely many of them. A lot of builders do not like the curbsides or snaps or promo like kits...to me they have loads of potential and worth the time...I love them myself always looking for more. Maybe they could re-issue the old Craftsman kits as a quick build or snapfast plus like line..??? Id buy them. I believe the mold AMT re-tooled of the 66 Buick Skylark was the full detail glue kit one...maybe they have the other one still..? Their 70 Buick Wildcat was a hit...I should have gotten more of them.Good jumping-off point for discussion. Are we sure there were two sets of tooling for--just since you brought it up--the '66 Skylark? I was always of the impression that in most if not all cases there would have been just one set of tooling, with hood insert for the promo/Craftsman moldings. I know for a fact that in the case of the Skylark, there's a rather prominent flaw found on the left side of both the Craftsman and the full-detail annual kit. I've always assumed that AMT altered this one set of tooling into the dreadful dirt tracker, and thus the Craftsman is as dead for possible reissue as the full kit. Or am I wrong about this?Is it true that the AMT '65 GTO and the MPC '69 Camaro were both once retooled as dirt-trackers, and subsequently restored back to something somewhere in the general neighborhood of "stock"? If so, it MIGHT be possible to bring the Skylark back from the dead as well--assuming, of course, that R2 estimated that this would be financially feasible. Interesting.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Van Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 I've been "down sizing my" my stash for the last couple of years, and I may not be done yet. I'm being more realistic 'bout how many kits I'm going to build and actually finish. Besides I'm tired of trading ca$h for plastic, only to have the kits sit on a pile and grow bigger with every purchase.I have sold around 2500 kits this year....yet I buy more!!! I have enough now to build one a day for many many years......Someone is marketing right!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake45 Posted December 25, 2015 Author Share Posted December 25, 2015 Think this tread is about dreaming and wondering, no more no less... ;^) You GET it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkman Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 I don't remember what else was in the series, but I think that there could be real hope for these.Ultra Violet - 1961 Ford Galaxie hardtopPeony Pony - 1964 Ford Mustang hardtopSunflower Power - 1962 Buick Electra 225 hardtopButtercup Bomb - 1960 Pontiac Bonneville hardtopMagnolia Mauler - 1960 Mercury Park Lane hardtopBird Of Paradise - 1960 Ford Thunderbird hardtopAnyway, I screwed up. The '62 Galaxie's last iteration was as the Turista Turismo in the Mexico series, together with these:Caliente Bandido - 1964 Mercury Comet Caliente hardtopMexicali Mudlark - 1966 Buick Skylark hardtopTequila Mockingbird - 1963 Ford Thunderbird hardtopBoondock Bomber - 1959 Buick Invicta hardtopAMT El Ranchero Grande - 1961 Ford RancheroYeah. And I want them all. Now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Van Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 You GET it! Not that the rest of us don't........25 years as a Analyst sometimes makes MY answers more analytical than dreaming.......add working in the industry now..... will color MY answers at times.........thx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake45 Posted December 25, 2015 Author Share Posted December 25, 2015 Not that the rest of us don't........25 years as a Analyst sometimes makes MY answers more analytical than dreaming.......add working in the industry now..... will color MY answers at times.........thx Dave, I've intended no disrespect to your experience and expertise here. You have been an INVALUABLE friend and influence to this hobby, and are probably the reason many of these molds still exist today, to say nothing of the thousands (tens of thousands?) of great models that have been built (or even just "collected") due to your efforts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake45 Posted December 25, 2015 Author Share Posted December 25, 2015 Caliente Bandido - 1964 Mercury Comet Caliente hardtopMexicali Mudlark - 1966 Buick Skylark hardtopTequila Mockingbird - 1963 Ford Thunderbird hardtopBoondock Bomber - 1959 Buick Invicta hardtopAMT El Ranchero Grande - 1961 Ford Ranchero You forgot the Che Riviera '65 Riv. Or was that not considered part of that series? (It's the only one of these I actually own a copy of.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMP440 Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 I would add a couple more to Junkman's list.MPC1968 Coronet R/T stock or Fever bedding car1969 Coroner R/T stock or Superhemi drag car Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake45 Posted December 25, 2015 Author Share Posted December 25, 2015 (edited) Might the MPC '70 GTO (which I don't believe has been seen since the late '80s) body molds still exist? Or would they have been converted into the common, oft-reissued '72? (I'm not a huge fan of '70 GTO, but I know a lot of people are.)I was pleasantly amazed to find the completely stock '69 GTO body in the reissued Judge funny car. Edited December 25, 2015 by Snake45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc Janssens Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 (edited) Might the MPC '70 GTO (which I don't believe has been seen since the late '80s) body molds still exist? Or would they have been converted into the common, oft-reissued '72? (I'm not a huge fan of '70 GTO, but I know a lot of people are.)That mold is shot and wouldn't mind, it falling off a forklift.same for the '67 which shares a lot of inserts appearently Edited December 25, 2015 by Luc Janssens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake45 Posted December 25, 2015 Author Share Posted December 25, 2015 I would add a couple more to Junkman's list.MPC1968 Coronet R/T stock or Fever bedding car1969 Coroner R/T stock or Superhemi drag car Much as I too would love to see the '68 Coronet back, I'm pretty sure that tool became the '69. And then, I'm guessing, the '70. (Anyone know for sure?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkman Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 You forgot the Che Riviera '65 Riv. Or was that not considered part of that series? (It's the only one of these I actually own a copy of.)That was in the Cuba series and I think those weren't made from promo tools, but full kits made from annual tools.Che Riviera - 1965 Buick RivieraHavana Banana - 1965 Oldsmobile Dynamic 88 hardtopBeard of Paradise - 1965 Lincoln convertible/custom wagon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 That mold is shot and wouldn't mind, it falling off a forklift.same for the '67 which shares a lot of inserts appearentlyGood riddance to both. Ditto for the AMT '65 GTO, which are both abundant and cheap on the secondary market.The '60-'63(?) Ford Pickups are most likley gone for good, and Jamie mentioned in his Hanger Shot blog post comments. He didn't say 100%, never ever happening, but I would suggest buying an original if you're hoping to own one in your lifetime.I have a little more hope for other Lensey-era AMT kits after seeing the VW Scirocco and now the Sunbeam Alpine kits announced. It would not surprise me to see the VW Rabbit and Subaru BRAT reissued in the not-too-distant future, too.Still standing by the '58 annuals rumor, since they would qualify as "looooooooong time." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake45 Posted December 25, 2015 Author Share Posted December 25, 2015 That was in the Cuba series and I think those weren't made from promo tools, but full kits made from annual tools.Che Riviera - 1965 Buick RivieraHavana Banana - 1965 Oldsmobile Dynamic 88 hardtopBeard of Paradise - 1965 Lincoln convertible/custom wagonAh! I didn't realize those were two different series! Thanks for the clarification! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake45 Posted December 25, 2015 Author Share Posted December 25, 2015 and now the Sunbeam Alpine kits announced. It would not surprise me to see the VW Rabbit and Subaru BRAT reissued in the not-too-distant future, too.Sunbeam Alpine? I saw the Tiger announced. Are they bringing back the 4-cyl engine and Alpine badging, as in the original Get Smart issue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkman Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 Just for completeness (the promo-based AMT "Junior" serieses I mean), there was the Jr. Trophy series, and the Craftsman series,which are often mixed up. At least I mix them up often.Jr. Trophy:1957 Ford Thunderbird w/hardtop (note: this is made from the promo tool and differs significantly from the Trophy series kit)1959 Ford Galaxie hardtop1959 Edsel hardtop1959 Buick Invicta hardtop1960 Chevrolet wagon1963 Chevrolet Nova wagon1963 Ford Falcon convertible Craftsman:1964 Mercury Comet Caliente hardtop1959 Mercury Park Lane convertible1965 Chevy II hardtop1960 Ford Starliner hardtop1963 (?) Mercury Comet convertible1960 Pontiac Bonneville hardtop1964 Ford Galaxie hardtop1964 Valiant Signet hardtop1965 Valiant Signet hardtop1965 Chevrolet Chevelle Malibu hardtop1959 Chevrolet Impala convertible1960 Lincoln Continental hardtop (has separate roof and IIRC convertible cover included)1963 Chevrolet Corvair Monza convertible1964 Chevrolet Corvair Monza hardtop1963 Chevrolet Impala hardtop1957 Ford Thunderbird w/hardtopI'm pretty sure this is incomplete/incorrect and hope someone in the know will correct it soon.However, would assume that most of the tooling could still be around, although in what condition is anybody's guess.Especially the later "laugh in" editions were hopeless rescue attempts of an ailing company on the brink of bankrupcy.I've heard rumours of tooling being sold for scrap to generate some cash, but this sounds to me like selling one's last coat andpair of boots at the beginning of Winter.Also note how some of those tools got dusted off more often than others. Especially the '64 Comet appears to have nine lives.Entirely btw, who would have thought the '59 Imperial tool is still alive and well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkman Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 Sunbeam Alpine? I saw the Tiger announced. Are they bringing back the 4-cyl engine and Alpine badging, as in the original Get Smart issue? That would be oof!All one would have to do then is convert the instrument panel so the steering wheel is on the correct side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ellis Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 You can itemize the possible kits from the impossible, by considering the revised annuals. For example the AMT '65 Impala will never come back as it became the '66 Impala which is now a Modified Stocker. If you know your kits pretty good, you can eliminate a lot.What is difficult are the possible kits that didn't survive the trip from Detroit to AMT/Lesney Baltimore back in 1978 or so. 1969 is a year that many old kits were reissued and then forgotten for the '70s or modified into something else. In the case of the 1934 Ford pickup, I heard the bill wasn't paid for and the molder let Lindberg have it. Some others I heard had tools left outside to the elements only to be ruined.The '59 Imperial didn't totally survive. It had new parts made to complete it. I am wondering how many kits are in the incomplete state.It will be interesting what Round2 has new/uncovered to offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Hall Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 Interesting that of that list of Craftsman kits, only the '64 Comet and '64 Galaxie have been reissued in the last 45 years... I believe some of those tools in that list were trashed to make race cars, like the '63 Nova wagon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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