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Yes research is a big part of the fun and necessary if you want to do it right.

Nice build. I picked up one of these at ebay recently and I got a set of aftermarket decals for mine as I don't trust old decals. You are right, the engine needs to be changed as Milner had a small block in the dragster in the movie...narrower rear tires would also be more correct to the movie car, AMT Parts Pack 11.75 X 16 M&H tires are more suitable for the time the car was supposed to be from.

Do a google search and you'll find out everything you want to know both in pictures and text. May we go back on topic.

Very nice Scott.

I't not easy to do a correct list of the S & M cars as you can find some conflicting information in books and on internet, I just read in the book SUPER STOCK Drag Racing The Family Sedan that the SS/E Superbird was equipped with a 440 Magnum and I've read somewhere else that the C/MP Superbird also would have had a 440...first of all the "Magnum" name was used by Dodge, not Plymouth, and after what I have found out reading the magazine articles from that time both the S & M Superbird's had Hemi's, the SS/E car with an Edelbrock Rat Roaster dual 4-bbl intake manifold and the C/MP car with a Weiand individual runner dual 4-bbl intake manifold much like the 70 and 71 Barracuda's had. I believe the only S & M cars with 440's was the Super Stock 68 and 69 GTX's and the "Clinic cars", and one Stock 68 Barracuda had a 340, most the other ones were Hemi cars as far as I know.

Many car manufacturers did change from side valves to over head valves, Ford, Mercury, Lincoln, Cadillac, Oldsmobile, Pontiac, Chrysler, Dodge, Plymouth and a lot of others did change from flathead (also often called L-Head) to OHV in the late 40's to mid 50's...but not all as you mention, Buick is one as David Dunbar Buick was a pioneer and developed the OHV design, and I think Chevrolet only have had OHV engines...even the Chevrolet Series-D V8 from 1917-18 was of OHV design. Many car manufacturers chose to go for the flathead design probably because it was cheaper and simpler to manufacture than the OHV design and several of them held on to this old design fairly long...among them Ford who changed as late as 1954. Most of the modern engines are SOHC or DOHC design...but nothing is new under the sun, back before WW2 the aircraft industry used OHC design, 4-valve per cylinder and fuel injection technology, the car industry was way behind and slowly adapted to this technology fairly late except for racing purposes but have now refined it to what we have today. Edit: I wrote this at the same time as you Bill, the content in my posting is essentially the same. One other thing...I don't mind explaining to people who doesn't know about these things... but all information regarding the different engine designs can be found on internet as it's the Worlds largest library, just do a Google search on what you are wondering about and I'm sure you will find answers to most of your questions.

No the Boss 429 and most of the conventional engines are OHV engines they have the cam in the center of the engine block and activate the valves via lifters, pushrods and rockers, a SOHC has the cam in the heads and can have rockers, but not allways, to activate the valves, a DOHC aslo has the cams in the heads and the valves are activated directly by the camshafts. OHV stands for Over Head Valves and the engines before them had side valves as the Flatheads has where the valves are almost directly activated by the cam lobes, and OHC is Over Head Cam where the camshaft/camshafts is on top in the heads...conventional engines has the camshaft in the engine block as I said and so do the side valve engines. So SOHC is short for Single Over Head Camshaft, DOHC is Dual Over Head Camshaft and OHV is Over Head Valves

They are from the same Corvette ZR-1 kit as the engine.

That's what I've heard also and that why I wrote New Cat Yellow.

Don't ask...you don't want to know. Lets say it like this...these machined aluminum, photo etched and resin parts are not cheap...but if you want to build a model at this level you might have to spend the money to get it as you want it. By the way, I like what I see Tyrone.

iIt's simple, it's called SOHC as it has a Single Over Head Cam on each head operating both the intake and exhaust valves, a DOHC has Dual Over Head Cams on each head, one cam operates the intake valves and the other operates the exhaust valves. Edit: It looks like you beat me to the line Bill

The 427 SOHC and the Boss 429 was developed for the same reason at different times, to compete in NASCAR racing as an answer to the Mopar 426 Hemi. Both the SOHC and the Boss are Hemi style engines (the SOHC is a true Hemi and the Boss is a Semi Hemi) but are based on different engine familys, the 427 SOHC is based on the FE family and came in 1964 developed in just 90 days and the Boss 429 is based on the 385 family and came 1969. NASCAR did not allow the SOHC as they banned OHC designs when they heard of the SOHC and that Mopar was developing a RB family based A925 DOHC 32 valve Hemi engine so Ford gave the SOHC engines to drag racers instead. The pushrod Boss 429 was allowed for use as the required 500 engines had been produced but it was killed off as were the 426 Hemi beginning in 1971 when NASCAR restricted the carburator/intake port sizes to reduce speed on Super Speedways. The 427 SOHC produced 616 hp with a single 4bbl carburator and 657 hp with dual 4bbl's with torque in the 515-575 lbs/ft range from the factory and was the most powerful Ford engine produced. The Boss 429 was rated at 375 hp and 450 lbs/ft in the street cars but produced somewhere around 600 hp in NASCAR race trim...that's not that much if you compare with todays 358 small block NASCAR engines wich produces close to 1000 hp except for the restricted Super Speedway engines.

Yes Sox & Martin subjects are plentiful as they had several cars each year and of each body style for different purposes before they closed up shop, some of the cars were used only in one year and some were used several years. They competed in Stock and Super Stock Eliminator, Modified Production, Pro Stock and Factory Experimental in different sanctioning bodys with different drivers, Buddy Martin did some driving in the beginning together with Ronnie Sox and Ronnie and Herb McCandless did most of the driving later, but Don Carlton among others did some driving for the S & M team from time to time, and the team did a lot of match racing and had cars modified for that purpose.

I'm not 100% sure but I think the large diesels were manufacturer color.

Fred Cady might have done them as he did many different decals...but he has unfortunately closed up shop.

Varsågod...(You're Welcome) I have gathered this info from here and there and I think it should be fairly correct.

The Ford 427 has a very wide intake manifold as do all the FE engines, the pushrods goes through holes in the edges of the manifold up to the rockers so it goes in a bit under the valve covers, and no intake manifold is that wide on any other engine than the FE. I don't know if any Weber downdraft intake manifold for FE has been done in model form, but it can't be that hard to scratch build with some sheet and tubing from Evergreen or Plastruct.

I believe that was the reason AMT changed to Hendrickson Walking Beam.

Here you go. Allis Chalmers - Plum Crazy Purple Caterpillar1145 - New Cat Yellow1150 - New Cat Yellow1160 - New Cat Yellow1673 - New Cat Yellow1674 - New Cat Yellow1676 - New Cat Yellow1693 - New Cat Yellow3208 - New Cat Yellow3306 - New Cat Yellow3406 - New Cat Yellow3408 - New Cat Yellow3412 - New Cat YellowC5 - C19 - New Cat Yellow with Black valve covers Edit: I have now found out that Caterpillar Changed the color from the Old Caterpillar Yellow, also known as Hi-Way Yellow, to New Cat Yellow on their machines in June 1979 and that could be the case with the engines too.So if that's correct the engines would be Cat Hi-Way Yellow from January 1932 until June 1979, after June 1979 New Cat Yellow...except for the cases when the truck manufacturers had their own colors as listed below. The old Cat Hi-Way Yellow were a brighter shade yellow than the New Cat Yellow wich is more to the mustard shade. CumminsH/NH and HS/NHS/NHRS ("Iron Lung") series 672 and 743 cui 50's and early 60's - Cummins Gold close to old Cat yellowNHC250 - Cummins BeigeNTA370 - Cummins BeigeNTC350 - Cummins BeigeNTC400 - Cummins BeigeNTC475 - Cummins BeigeN14 - Black (cast aluminum valve covers are red and stamped sheet metal valve covers are black)V-903 - Dark grey or Black Signature 600/ISX CM570 - Red (may have chrome or black valve covers) Detroit DieselSeries 60 - DD Alpine Green or BlueGreen6-71 - DD Alpiine Green8V71 - DD Alpine Green12V71 - DD Alpine Green or Silver (usually turbocharged models)16V71 - DD Alpine Green8V92 - DD Alpine Green or Silver (usually turbocharged models) Chevrolet1940s to late 1950s - Medium greyLate 1950s to 1963 I-6 engines Chevrolet engine blue, V-8 Chevrolet engine red (orange) FordFord 331 Flathead truck engine - Dark Spruce GreenOHV 1954 to 1961 - Red534SD - Ford Blue GMCGMC 1940s - AvacadoGMC late 1940s to early 1950s Dark GreenGMC 1950s Crimson RedGMC 1960s V-6 Alpine Green, V-8 RedTurbine - Red InternationalV-800 - Metallic blueMaxx Force - Dark Blue and Silver Mack - Pre 1990 gold, Post 1990 grey, or blue / grey if equipped with an intercoolerENDT675ENDT676ENDT8654cyl (Mack AC) - medium greySuper tip turbine - redThe Maxidyne engine colour was gold, the Maxiydyne truck could easily be identified by the gold dog on the bonnet.The Thermodyne, Econodyne motors were all painted GREY, these had a chrome dog fitted.If any other brand of motor was fitted, Cummins,Cat, GM-Detroit, then it would have a chrome dog fitted as well. Exceptions, some truck manufacturer's use their own colors instead of the engine builders color AutoCar - White through 1968-69 then manufacturer color Ford - Black until 1965, Ford Blue until 1982, Ford Corporate Grey Diamond Reo - Red International - Red"International paid Cummins, Detroit and Cat about $25 per engine to have them all painted IH 2150 Red for many years. The practice ended in the '70's, as I remember, and we (International, my employer) pocketed the 25 bucks. Concerning the blue International V-800 in the Paystar, marketing decided that International's new big bore engines should be blue to distinguish them from the competition" Peterbilt - White through 1984 then engine manufacturer color (there are exceptions as white engines can be found in trucks after 1984 and manufactures colors in trucks before 1984)Caterpillar was the last engine manufacturer to stop painting them white. Kenworth - White through 1975 then engine manufacturer color (there are exceptions as white engines can be found in trucks after 1975 and manufacturers colors in trucks before 1975)

I agree on Ben's wheels, they are awsome. But if you use wheels from a 1:24th scale truck on a 1:25th scale they might work as 24.5 inch wheels and Kit Form Services (KFS) 2-hole rims with tires are 1:24th scale as they are mostly intended for Italeri trucks wich all are 1:24th scale. Most of the kit tires are 10.00 X 20 (AMT), 11.00 X 20 (Ertl and late AMT), 11.00 X 22 (AMT's largest) and 11.00 or 12.00 X 22.5...but no 11.00 X 24.5 as far as I know.

I can only agree, please Round 2, bring them back.

Thanks!!

Nice collection Gerald. Sox & Martin had two Superbird's, one competed in Super Stock/E a short time and one in C/Modified Production and as I have understood it it was two different cars, the SS/E car had a blue painted top and the C/MP car had a black vinyl top and was painted a bit different. They also had two Pro Stock 73 Dusters the same year, one they built themselves wich was crashed at a race and one built by Don Hardy bought from Don Grotheer as a replacement for the crashed car, they also ran 70, 71 and 72 Dusters in Pro Stock. They had Barracuda's/'Cuda's from 66, 68, (one 68 updated with a 69 nose) in Super Stock, Modified Production and Pro Stock, 70, 71 and 72 in Pro Stock, Road Runner's from 68, 69 and 71 and GTX's from 67, 68, 69 in Stock, Super Stock and Modified Production, Belvedere from 65 and 67 in Factory eXperimental and Super Stock, a couple of Dodge Colt's in Pro Stock and A/FX, a Dodge Challenger in A/FX and an Dodge Omni in Pro Stock...that's just the Mopar cars. They also had some Ford's and Mercury's and Ronnie also ran a 63 Chevy Impala before the Sox & Martin era and a Plymouth Arrow for "Billy The Kid" later...and their mechanic Jake King ran a 64 Ford Thunderbolt at one time. So there are lots of Sox & Martin subjects if someone wants to build them all. Most of their cars were driven by Ronnie Sox (with startnumbers Pro 200, Pro 4, and Pro 23) and Herb McCandless ( with numbers Pro 211 and Pro 44).

Another good set can be found in the Revell 69 Camaro Z/28 RS.

Nice, how do I get one??