Did this spoon test of C1's metallizer

[Art Anderson]

Did this over some home-mixed dark grey Tamiya gloss lacquer:

Edited September 28, 2015 by Art Anderson
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[BIGTRUCK]

What stuff is that Art?

[Art Anderson]

What stuff is that Art?

Ken, it's a metallizing powder from the UK--C1 Models.  The powder looks charcoal grey until you rub it onto a painted surface, then it turns as mirror-like as you see it.  It's available from Scale Finishes, out in Utah, the factory match paint afternarket company.

[wayne swayze]

That's a very shiny finish for sure. Almost looks like chrome. Hope it makes its way to Canada!

[Ace-Garageguy]

Is this basically the same or similar to Kosutte Ginsan powder?

[keyser]

Wow Art, that looks killer. Rub on? No airbrushing? 

Need to know more. Would look nice on some old resin Duesy I have, Whitell something or another. 

Edited September 28, 2015 by keyser

[russosborne]

Check this out.   http://www.c1-models.com/c1-metalizer/

I just searched for and found this. Other than the awful color font they use it looks interesting.

Russ

 

[Art Anderson]

Wow Art, that looks killer. Rub on? No airbrushing? 

Need to know more. Would look nice on some old resin Duesy I have, Whitell something or another. 

Well, the reason for the spoon test is so I can figure out the best shade of base paint to use to replicate polished sheet aluminum, as I want to build up my AAM 1930 Duesenberg Murphy Torpedo Disappearing Top Coupe, which real car has its upper body paneling and the top of the hood in polished aluminum, against a dark blue body (the ex-George Whittell car.  I believe you have one of those, correct?

Art

[Art Anderson]

Is this basically the same or similar to Kosutte Ginsan powder?

I have no idea.  C1 Models is from the UK.

 

Art

[peteski]

How does it stand up to handling (with greasy fingers)? Can it be clear coated?

[keyser]

Well, the reason for the spoon test is so I can figure out the best shade of base paint to use to replicate polished sheet aluminum, as I want to build up my AAM 1930 Duesenberg Murphy Torpedo Disappearing Top Coupe, which real car has its upper body paneling and the top of the hood in polished aluminum, against a dark blue body (the ex-George Whittell car.  I believe you have one of those, correct?

Art

Yes sir I do, J-120, amongst a cadre of others. Whitell painted his Duesies Black, primarily, with lots of polished/chromed fittings. J-186/2354 had the clamshell hood vents you and Lee added. IIRC, only the Mistress car was dark blue. The rest were black/lots of silver/polished/chrome elements. Obviously the Boattail was black and white. Always did like the accents and the oil/fuel cans he added. The Hacker 50' he had used similar, as did his DC-2

 

From C1 website: C1 Metalizer is a fine rubbing powder that can be applied over a painted surface to create a realistic metallic shine.

The powder is very versatile, it can applied over almost any paint type and colour to vary the overall effect. The colour of base coat chosen will determine the hue of the finish - black will create a darker chrome look, metallic gunmetal and metallic blue will achieve a brighter chrome finish.

Surfaces can be masked prior to application

Decals can be applied on top

The finish does not rub off with handling and finger prints can be wiped away which negates the application of any clear coat.

The product is very similar to 'Kosutte Gin San' by 'WORK' of Japan but differs in that C1 Metalizer is non toxic and non combustible.

No idea why weird font color. Can't fix it. sorry. 

 

 

 

Edited September 28, 2015 by keyser
Better pic of sedan with Hacker, and interior shot of coupe.

[Darren B]

wow it looks better than alclad2!

[vintagercr]

Art, have you tried to handle the spoon with your barehands?  Just wondering if it where's off.

[Mr Stock]

Ive had some of this C1 stuff for a while but not really used it properly yet. It is a very simlar product to Kosutte Ginsan but is not as potent (ie harmful).

Its basically like a graphite based very fine powder, as you can see by Arts spoon test like all chrome finishes it relies on a super smooth shiny basecoat.

Base colour plays a big part in the overall finish,unlike with Alclad black is not really my preferred base its too dark a finish. I prefer to use a mid metallic blue or a grey as Art has used.

Sorry I have no photos to show of the results, but it is a very good product, and can be handled pretty well and also recovered if a mistake does happen.

 

[Petetrucker07]

I'm gonna have to get some of this stuff. Looks great.

[Quick GMC]

it's similar to kosutte ginsan

This is my kosutte over clearcoated Scale Finishes

The C1 stuff looks great

[Art Anderson]

Art, have you tried to handle the spoon with your barehands?  Just wondering if it where's off.

Yes, I have handled it a lot.  If it wears off, it will take a lot more harsh treatment than I'd give any model car paint job.

 

[Quick GMC]

you can use these powders over bare plastic. The darker the base color, the darker the chrome will be, so you can manipulate the hue and how dark the final finish is with the base coats. 

[Roncla]

I've got both the C1 metallizer and Kosutte Ginsan powder here and find both will give a mirror reflection when applied over a super smooth wet look finish.

No matter what base color I've used i've never been able to get either to look like kit chrome though.

 

[blunc]

(now in a readable font colour)

 

From C1 website: 

C1 Metalizer is a fine rubbing powder that can be applied over a painted surface to create a realistic metallic shine.

The powder is very versatile, it can applied over almost any paint type and colour to vary the overall effect. The colour of base coat chosen will determine the hue of the finish - black will create a darker chrome look, metallic gunmetal and metallic blue will achieve a brighter chrome finish.

Surfaces can be masked prior to application

Decals can be applied on top

The finish does not rub off with handling and finger prints can be wiped away which negates the application of any clear coat.

The product is very similar to 'Kosutte Gin San' by 'WORK' of Japan but differs in that C1 Metalizer is non toxic and non combustible.

 

[blunc]

That's a very shiny finish for sure. Almost looks like chrome. Hope it makes its way to Canada!

the scale finishes web site has a shipping option for you guys north of the border through Elm City Hobbies.

[Art Anderson]

I've got both the C1 metallizer and Kosutte Ginsan powder here and find both will give a mirror reflection when applied over a super smooth wet look finish.

No matter what base color I've used i've never been able to get either to look like kit chrome though.

 

I found that it takes a very shiny base color surface to get the shine I got.  When the dark grey lacquer was dry (used my food dehydrator to do that) I simply used some Micromesh polishing compound to get a mirror finish, then rubbed in the C1 metalizer.  One thing I did learn in that process--rubbing the C1 on in straight "back and forth" movements can allow streaks to show, so I simply went to buffing it in with a circular motion, streaks disappeared!

[Roncla]

I found that it takes a very shiny base color surface to get the shine I got.  When the dark grey lacquer was dry (used my food dehydrator to do that) I simply used some Micromesh polishing compound to get a mirror finish, then rubbed in the C1 metalizer.  One thing I did learn in that process--rubbing the C1 on in straight "back and forth" movements can allow streaks to show, so I simply went to buffing it in with a circular motion, streaks disappeared!

I can easily get the shine that kit chrome has but i can't get the color to look the same. Used over black I get a black chrome look and applying them over other colors will give me a tint of the base color.

Applied over a base of white I get a yellow tint. Maybe I'm just being too fussy.

These metalizers do work great for giving a chrome like finish but I wouldn't be using them to replace kit chrome on parts like bumpers.

 

[Toner283]

I was talking to the rep from C1 models at the NNL East in New Jersey this spring and they suggest a metallic blue base coat. I was told by them that of the many color tests they had done for a base coat that the metallic blue seem to give the best depth and closest realism to real chrome. If I remember correctly they had a couple of pictures of the color they used on their website.

[Aaronw]

This looks similar to SNJ / Hawkeye metal polishing powders which are now unfortunately out of production. I had pretty good luck with those powders for doing natural metal finish aircraft. They also had other metal powders which gave different sheens / shades.

 

This is an example using the SNJ powder over gloss black.

 

With those powders you had to use a cloth to remove the excess powder but the finish is pretty durable with dry fingers, moisture (sweaty fingers) will leave marks but it can be clear coated. I would assume this C1 stuff is very similar.

 

Nice stuff for an airbrush challenged individual like me.

   

Edited October 1, 2015 by Aaronw