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Ace-Garageguy MCM Ohana

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It'd be nice if at least one driver was American, but I'd be jumping up and down if the engine and chassis were American.

Dallara chassis, Ferrari power...which part is American then, exactly? Oh yeah...the management. Okaaaaay...

Far as I'm concerned, just having a base in NC doesn't make it an "American" effort any more than the Hyundai plant in south Ga. builds "American" cars.

Sorry. I'm just a grumpy old SOB with an attitude problem. ;)

aurfalien MCM Ohana

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It'd be nice if at least one driver was American, but I'd be jumping up and down if the engine and chassis were American.

Dallara chassis, Ferrari power...which part is American then, exactly? Oh yeah...the management. Okaaaaay...

Far as I'm concerned, just having a base in NC doesn't make it an "American" effort any more than the Hyundai plant in south Ga. builds "American" cars.

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Miatatom MCM Ohana

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I agree with the above comments. They're not really American teams, just American management. Nonetheless, I hope they can be respectable. Right now, I'm not a get up at dawn viewer. I'll watch some of the replays on Sunday afternoon and the races run in the western hemisphere. But I sure wish they'd take the wings off and race. Passing is nearly impossible. The racing is boring and the drama that seems to occur every week is silly.

NASCAR is much better racing, sometimes. I wish they'd bulldoze Daytona and Talladega or at least get rid of the banking. Those races are almost as bad as F1. NASCAR has instituted a new low downforce set up and I think the racing will be much better. I raced sports cars, including some open wheel cars, so I'm not biased towards NASCAR at all. In fact, the opposite is true. Want to see great racing, go or watch a SCCA event. The entire Runoffs (SCCA national championships) were streamed on line and it was great.

Dave Van MCM Ohana

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I  do not think Haas really has the depth in talent or cash.

Wanr an American in F1?? 2017 Danica will be in a Haas F1 car.....rescued from a sinking SH NASCAR team. 

Haas wants it.....Bernie wants it......Danica needs a light open wheel car to win again.

Miatatom MCM Ohana

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Danica needs a light open wheel car to win again.

I like her and pull for her but I don't think she has the talent to pull it off. The only Indycar race she won was on fuel mileage.  I'd love to see her become relevant but I don't think it's going to happen.

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I think Haas’ approach makes perfect sense for a startup team and in future years I hope they bring more of the design responsibility in house.  As for producing the car unfortunately nearly all the necessary resources and suppliers are in Europe.  It wouldn’t make sense for a new European NASCAR team (!!?) to build the car in England – would it?  USF1 tried to blaze their own trail and build nearly all the car in America and flamed out before ever even completing the car.

I am also happy with their driver choices.  I was worried they would go for just an American name.  Haas needs experienced F1 drivers in order to develop the car, and development is none stop.  Putting an inexperienced driver in an inexperienced team would lead to nothing but frustration and disappointment.

If they are successful I think we will see more of an American flavor to the team in time.

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EL LOCO MCM Friend

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I think Hass’ approach makes perfect sense for a startup team and in future years I hope they bring more of the design responsibility in house.  As for producing the car unfortunately nearly all the necessary resources and suppliers are in Europe.  It wouldn’t make sense for a new European NASCAR team (!!?) to build the car in England – would it?  USF1 tried to blaze their own trail and build nearly all the car in America and flamed out before ever even completing the car.

I am also happy with their driver choices.  I was worried they would go for just an American name.  Haas needs experienced F1 drivers in order to develop the car, and development is none stop.  Putting and inexperienced driver in an inexperienced team would lead to nothing but frustration and disappointment.

If they are successful I think we will see more of an American flavor to the team in time.

Couldn't agree any more. Good to see at least some sort of American team. F1 has needed it for so long. It can only help grow the sport. Will be interesting to see.

Matt Bacon MCM Ohana

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As for producing the car unfortunately nearly all the necessary resources and suppliers are in Europe. 

Actually, most of them are in England. In fact, most of them are in the same English county... ;-P

There's just a couple of pesky Italians and possibly a Swiss outfit...

bestest,

M.

iBorg MCM Ohana

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Haas took a sensible approach to doing a nonsensical thing. 

I think the task of starting from scratch would eat so much money and be limited by available talent, that his approach makes sense. I think it is the best approach to avoid being the next failed US F1 team. I wish them luck, they'll need it.

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aurfalien MCM Ohana

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Both iBorg and afx make a lot of sense.

I've also heard this echoed by a very knowledgeable college about racing in general.  Seems like in today's climate, its the only viable approach.

I suppose the come from behind, against all odds stories are over.  And now every thing seems to need be logical, by the book and predictable.  And of course first and foremost profitable, not enough to simply break even.

One great sports story I will always recall as if it were yesterday and get teary eyed over was the 80' Winter Olympics and hockey team USA.

I was on a plane when they won the gold and just about every one was cheering, teary eyed and Champagne was a flowin, free, on the house.  I was 12ish.

 

 

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aurfalien MCM Ohana

aurfalien

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"The best way to make a small fortune in racing is to start with a larger one."

I like that one, nice!!!

Even to the casual observer, it never seemed like racing was about money. and in fact more like a money pit.

What it is though, and Red Bulls approach any ways, was an avenue for advertising.  I think they spent less money on F1 then they would have in there normal advert channels for roughly the same pay back.

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I wish them luck.... its an incredibly expensive series even to make it to the back marker / rolling chicane level.

As a fan I lost interest in F1 in the 1980s Turbo car era and they have been lost to me ever since.

 

Dave Van MCM Ohana

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I wish them luck.... its an incredibly expensive series even to make it to the back marker / rolling chicane level.

As a fan I lost interest in F1 in the 1980s Turbo car era and they have been lost to me ever since.

 

The typical F1 hospitality traveling unit cost what a good NASCAR Cup team......good luck to them....but doubt they get much TV time in the back.

I still watch when I can.....but give me 70's and even 80's.......

afx MCM Ohana

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Mercedes' current F1 engine (the most powerful F1 engine they have ever made) is producing "in excess of 900 bhp" from 1.6 liters with "no reason to believe the development rate will slow in the next few years". Turbo or not that is BLAH_BLAH_BLAH_BLAH impressive.

 

The forum software censored me: I should have said "darn" impressive. 

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Ace-Garageguy MCM Ohana

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Even to the casual observer, it never seemed like racing was about money. and in fact more like a money pit.

What it is though, and Red Bulls approach any ways, was an avenue for advertising.  I think they spent less money on F1 then they would have in there normal advert channels for roughly the same pay back.

Back in the '50s and '60s, it WASN'T all about money...yet. It was definitely a rich-man's sport, but the cars and technology were still relatively accessible, and it was still possible for a privateer to build a winning car from the ground up.

There is the story of the '59 Cooper F1 car's frame design...incidentally the first mid-engined F1 championship winner... being laid out on the garage floor.

                                                                                            1959_Cooper-t51_climax_f1.jpg

 

This particular car (below), F1 world-championship-winner in '67, the Repco / Brabham BT 24, even had an engine based on an American production-car bottom-end. The 3-litre SOHC Repco powerplant used in this car was built on a development of the 215 Oldsmobile aluminum V8 block.

TASREV2010%20BT241A.JPG

 

I could get fired up about cars like this. They weren't rolling billboards where running in front is more about getting screen-time for the advertising of the sponsors than anything else.

Though today's cars are still technically interesting, the complexity and the necessity for boxcars full of cash to participate leave me kinda cold.

EL LOCO MCM Friend

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Back in the '50s and '60s, it WASN'T all about money...yet. It was definitely a rich-man's sport, but the cars and technology were still relatively accessible, and it was still possible for a privateer to build a winning car from the ground up.

There is the story of the '59 Cooper F1 car's frame design...incidentally the first mid-engined F1 championship winner... being laid out on the garage floor.

                                                                                            1959_Cooper-t51_climax_f1.jpg

 

This particular car (below), F1 world-championship-winner in '67, the Repco / Brabham BT 24, even had an engine based on an American production-car bottom-end. The 3-litre SOHC Repco powerplant used in this car was built on a development of the 215 Oldsmobile aluminum V8 block.

TASREV2010%20BT241A.JPG

 

I could get fired up about cars like this. They weren't rolling billboards where running in front is more about getting screen-time for the advertising of the sponsors than anything else.

Though today's cars are still technically interesting, the complexity and the necessity for boxcars full of cash to participate leave me kinda cold.

Proud to be an AUSSIE...........still waiting for the next car designer and driver to win a F1 Championship. Guess that wont be happening now.

The Repco is still an Aussie made and developed engine and still going strong ha ha ha.

Wish those days would come back, more exciting racing back then.

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